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June 09, 2016, 01:14:15 AM
For a newbie like me that's just starting, this topic is pretty scary. I feel like starting in the cryptocurrency world now could be a huge waste of time/efforts. And there's too many altcoins to just pick one and hope this one is "the future"... Ethereum maybe?

also altcoins like Ethereum are just pump and dump coin, it means they are created to get pumped and make a lot of money for those who have access to the majority of the coin (premine) and can now dump it on newbies who are buying their orders.


Smh...



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June 09, 2016, 01:04:59 AM
For a newbie like me that's just starting, this topic is pretty scary. I feel like starting in the cryptocurrency world now could be a huge waste of time/efforts. And there's too many altcoins to just pick one and hope this one is "the future"... Ethereum maybe?

Don't be scared out because of this kind of thread, as I can see there is no reason that bitcoin will just be destroyed easily. So stay calm, and wait for other updates but don't just believe easily on this kind of topics without basis.
I will just believe this , if op can show some of proofs that bitcoin is now being destroyed.
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June 09, 2016, 12:34:50 AM
For a newbie like me that's just starting, this topic is pretty scary. I feel like starting in the cryptocurrency world now could be a huge waste of time/efforts. And there's too many altcoins to just pick one and hope this one is "the future"... Ethereum maybe?

you have to stop listening to these types of topic on the forum or even news on news websites like cryptocoinnews especially. all these people are mostly talking out of their asses and have no idea about what they are saying and also a lot of them have other agendas when they spread these kinds of things which is called FUD.

also altcoins like Ethereum are just pump and dump coin, it means they are created to get pumped and make a lot of money for those who have access to the majority of the coin (premine) and can now dump it on newbies who are buying their orders.
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June 09, 2016, 12:32:09 AM
For a newbie like me that's just starting, this topic is pretty scary. I feel like starting in the cryptocurrency world now could be a huge waste of time/efforts.

https://99bitcoins.com/obituary-stats/

...latest obituaries:

MARCH 26, 2016
“1,000 Bitcoin Wallets Won’t Replace One Financial Revolution” – Coindesk | $408.12

APRIL 19, 2016
‘Bitcoin is dead,’ says prominent fintech exec – Yahoo | $437.5

MAY 21, 2016
“Bitcoin May Be Failing, But The Technology Behind It Will Live On” – Forbes | $442.88

JUNE 3, 2016
We rather disagree with the estimation of Bitcoin – Adam Smith | $572.65

JUNE 7, 2016
“Bitcoin’s Rallying Again—But Isn’t Getting Much Attention Anymore” – WSJ | $577.14
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June 09, 2016, 12:15:40 AM
Even if Bitcoin dies, and it might be replaced by another coin or technology,
the underlying principles are what matters. This is just the beginning of cryptocurrencies.

Bitcoin is really uncontrollable by any specific power and if any power want to involve in it  with full potential then it will be a great support to bitcoin, I will say that someone among the major power have to come forward to give strength to bitcoin.
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June 08, 2016, 11:23:06 PM
For a newbie like me that's just starting, this topic is pretty scary. I feel like starting in the cryptocurrency world now could be a huge waste of time/efforts. And there's too many altcoins to just pick one and hope this one is "the future"... Ethereum maybe?
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June 08, 2016, 10:44:59 PM
Even if Bitcoin dies, and it might be replaced by another coin or technology,
the underlying principles are what matters. This is just the beginning of cryptocurrencies.

I don't bitcoin will just die easily and gone out in the economy of crypto currency. As it is the most stable currency of all cryptos. And I don't believe this kind of rumor that bitcoin is really destroyed, how it is going to be destroyed? The price of bitcoin now is getting higher and higher so this is just an overheard rumor and don't believe it guys.
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June 08, 2016, 06:09:03 PM
Even if Bitcoin dies, and it might be replaced by another coin or technology,
the underlying principles are what matters. This is just the beginning of cryptocurrencies.
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June 08, 2016, 04:56:12 PM
Bitcoin is Forever.

OP is Destroyed.

Posting this $#!T on BCT is moronic.
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June 08, 2016, 06:40:26 AM
This comment:

It is not dumb that n00bs don't know the technology and game theory economics. What is dumb is when n00bs (such as the Bitcoin maximalist comments in this thread) think they know something about an issue that is far too complex for them to be comprehend without deep research that they are unwilling or incapable of doing. This is known as the Dunning-Kruger effect.

So many dumb comments in this thread by Bitcoin maximalists who will invent any excuse possible to remain in denial of the fact that
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Applies to the following incorrect post:

Bitcoin is flawed, but these flaws can be fixed. Bitcoin is already a big step ahead of fiat currencies.

The flaws can't be fixed both for technical reasons and also because of vested inertial resistance.

And BitCON will become 666 more oppressive+totalitarian than the fiat cash we had before it:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15124687
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15126064

You are supporting the destruction of the freedom of mankind. Thank you for your unwavering, radicalised dedication to your geek-cool enslavement system ideals.
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June 08, 2016, 04:57:38 AM
the sky is falling......

Please stop with the stupid threads.

Bitcoin has died over 100 times, been destroyed a few dozen times and is trading at over 500 usd.

Stop with the fud and lies and please stop posting stupid threads about this.

Agreed. If bitcoin isn't working, then please prove it. I doubt you'll find it easy to prove something that is trading over $580 USD at the moment a failure, and something that is destroyed forever.

Bitcoin is flawed, but these flaws can be fixed. Bitcoin is already a big step ahead of fiat currencies.
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June 08, 2016, 04:03:35 AM
I have a hard time choking back the assertion Bitcoin was designed to fail at a certain point.
I just can't wrap my head around that concept..

Define "fail"?

If you define fail as the coin stops functioning or double-spending is so pervasive via 51% attack that no one will accept it, then I agree it is a ludicrous proposition that isn't very likely to happen.

Rather the designed failure of Bitcoin is to become centralized so that the elite are able to control who can transact (which is another symptom of a 51% attack) so they can implement capital controls, expropriation, and taxation, while also tracking every transaction we make so we are 666 slaves.

Bitcoin is not failing but it is failing to scale to mass adoption, and BitCON (the Trojan Horse) is failing in that it will be more oppressive+totalitarian than cash and fiat were. Why do you people have such a difficult time to understand this distinction, even I have repeated it so many times.
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June 08, 2016, 12:16:35 AM
I dont believe that more than half of the market is occupied by the chinese, but if thats true bitcoin is still standing until now, so i dont see any relevant between the chinese miner and bitcoin existence
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June 08, 2016, 12:07:41 AM
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At $575 (last I checked, up $100 in the last three - four weeks or so), I would not say BTC is destroyed, yet.  I hope not!  I really DO hope that Bitcoin works out OK like the optimists say.

But, as the technical issues seem to be getting UNresolved, and the lead developers appear to be in profound disagreement over important technical matters I don't pretend to even half understand, well, um...

I will HODL on at least for a while.  But, the SECOND I get overwhelmed, whether by FUD or not, my BTC turns into gold.  

I am one of those guys who seems to be becoming a take the money and run sort.  Now that I am finally ahead in BTC (in US$ terms, at just under $500), I have more incentive to leave Bitcoinistan if things look like they might be going wrong...

Me either, I will hold until the price of bitcoin will satisfy me. And after that I don't know what would happens next with bitcoin.
But this kind of speculation that bitcoin will going to be destroyed is really uncertain and no particular fact that it is happening.
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June 07, 2016, 11:56:47 PM
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At $575 (last I checked, up $100 in the last three - four weeks or so), I would not say BTC is destroyed, yet.  I hope not!  I really DO hope that Bitcoin works out OK like the optimists say.

But, as the technical issues seem to be getting UNresolved, and the lead developers appear to be in profound disagreement over important technical matters I don't pretend to even half understand, well, um...

I will HODL on at least for a while.  But, the SECOND I get overwhelmed, whether by FUD or not, my BTC turns into gold.  

I am one of those guys who seems to be becoming a take the money and run sort.  Now that I am finally ahead in BTC (in US$ terms, at just under $500), I have more incentive to leave Bitcoinistan if things look like they might be going wrong...
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June 07, 2016, 11:49:33 PM
The statement bitcoin is destroyed is not at all true and not gonna come true in the future. Most could have known in this seven years time how many interruptions were faced to reach this growth. So if its a failed one already it could have happened.


Don't ever believe this kind of false reports because they just want to destroy the reputation of bitcoin now which is now being good and they just want to interrupt people's mind for them to be able people stop the use of bitcoin.

Even I don't think anything bad will happen to the Bitcoin network. Most of them have invested so much capital in these ventures that they would be absolutely insane to be messing with any 51% attacks when their entire livelihood is dependent on the Bitcoin price. their risk is going bankrupt 100% when everyone bails out of the Bitcoin market and the price crashes to the ground.

Yes, only people that wants to destroy bitcoin will make such things and efforts and say that bitcoin is being destroyed. Maybe they are just referring
to the most miners for being Chinese but I don't think it won't make the destruction of bitcoin even if most miners are Chinese.
Still bitcoin will always be good and on it's way flying to the moon.
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June 07, 2016, 11:38:10 PM
The statement bitcoin is destroyed is not at all true and not gonna come true in the future. Most could have known in this seven years time how many interruptions were faced to reach this growth. So if its a failed one already it could have happened.


Don't ever believe this kind of false reports because they just want to destroy the reputation of bitcoin now which is now being good and they just want to interrupt people's mind for them to be able people stop the use of bitcoin.

Even I don't think anything bad will happen to the Bitcoin network. Most of them have invested so much capital in these ventures that they would be absolutely insane to be messing with any 51% attacks when their entire livelihood is dependent on the Bitcoin price. their risk is going bankrupt 100% when everyone bails out of the Bitcoin market and the price crashes to the ground.
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June 07, 2016, 11:27:56 PM
The statement bitcoin is destroyed is not at all true and not gonna come true in the future. Most could have known in this seven years time how many interruptions were faced to reach this growth. So if its a failed one already it could have happened.


Don't ever believe this kind of false reports because they just want to destroy the reputation of bitcoin now which is now being good and they just want to interrupt people's mind for them to be able people stop the use of bitcoin.
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June 07, 2016, 11:09:55 PM
The statement bitcoin is destroyed is not at all true and not gonna come true in the future. Most could have known in this seven years time how many interruptions were faced to reach this growth. So if its a failed one already it could have happened.

That is what they all thought at the peak in 1929.

It is not dumb that n00bs don't know the technology and game theory economics. What is dumb is when n00bs (such as the Bitcoin maximalist comments in this thread) think they know something about an issue that is far too complex for them to be comprehend without deep research that they are unwilling or incapable of doing. This is known as the Dunning-Kruger effect.

So many dumb comments in this thread by Bitcoin maximalists who will invent any excuse possible to remain in denial of the fact that highly centralized systems fall into the abyss of turf battles morass and BitCON is becoming the TrojanHorse coin with centralized mining control enabling the coming capital controls and expropriation of wealth by the G20:


LN ... doesn't scale well decentralized (but we may eventually get there with Bitcoin highly centralized, although being that this is fighting for who will control it, it will not come without battles as we've seen with Bitcoin Classic and XT versus Blockstream and the Chinese mining cartel):

Now all we have to do is wait countless months for segwit which no doubt'll be batted around by the various parties too. Whoopee.

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The mass use case of Bitcoin is very weak because the technology doesn't scale decentralized and decentralization and permissionless qualities were the original reason to want CC instead of digital fiat, and Bitcoin is a very tiny, miniscule market right now.

The less decentralized Bitcoin is, the slower its network effects will grow. Because turf battles turn it into a morass.



YouI don't understand how Lightning protocol works to claim it's decentralized.

ftfy

Thanks for your feedback. Hope you don't get offended if I correct your misunderstanding.

LN requires orders-of-magnitude more block chain transaction bandwidth for peak garbage collection phases, than it consumes normally. Thus you need Bitcoin to scale massively before LN can scale massively. Bitcoin can't scale without being centralized for validation and mining. That is fact well known to experts such as myself. Many people may deny it and I have no desire to argue with them.

LN also requires a few numbers of centralized servers cooperating for it to function reasonably well:

It uses a decentralised method of routing by everyone knowing the topology. In the future we will implement RP routing, which dramatically decreases the requirement to know the full topology of the network down to only the 24/7 online nodes.

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Yes correct. In my simulations routing with ten thousands of nodes was carried out in <1s.

That works fine with RP-Routing, because then you exclude all active participants from the routing problem and only concentrate on the passive nodes. I agree that if you take into account millions of wallets, it does get much more difficult.

LN can't send a payment from Bitcoin address to any Bitcoin address. It requires users establish accounts in the LN before they can be eligible, i.e. it is an opt-in system and it is not persistent.

LN is an incredibly complex Rube Goldberg kludge patched on top of an inadequate block chain design and there IS a better solution coming. You have to discard the Bitcoin block chain and Satoshi's design and start over.

In general, Bitcoin is moving towards centralization over the control of which nodes validate and thus which can do capital controls and KYC enforcement on transactions:

https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2016/01/08/spv-mining-is-the-solution-not-the-problem/
http://www.bitcoinunlimited.info/1txn/
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June 07, 2016, 11:05:26 PM
The statement bitcoin is destroyed is not at all true and not gonna come true in the future. Most could have known in this seven years time how many interruptions were faced to reach this growth. So if its a failed one already it could have happened.
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