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May 21, 2017, 02:52:51 AM
I think something is wrong with your prediction, also you could see in this thread, mostly people will not agree with your one point and that is bitcoin is die. Why you are not looking the price of bitcoin? Everyday bitcoin price gonna high, its mean bitcoin will live long life, it doesn't mean that bitcoin is die. But i also think bitcoin should do, to improve the payment system for the people.
No strong reason to say that bitcoin will die soon or later. Even if strict regulations were made bitcoin cannot be destroyed or lead towards death, because bitcoin as a innovation has got multiple usage not only as a currency, it also got usage in gambling industry and other sectors. So surely in one or the other way bitcoin will be used forever.

Bitcoin can die just because the entire government prohibits the use of bitcoin. Although this is impossible because Japan has taken a positive step, but the possibility that still exist if America and Russia do the opposite. If we think theoretically we are the ones who continue to make bitcoin life without ever thinking about bitcoin will die.
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May 21, 2017, 02:49:38 AM
I think something is wrong with your prediction, also you could see in this thread, mostly people will not agree with your one point and that is bitcoin is die. Why you are not looking the price of bitcoin? Everyday bitcoin price gonna high, its mean bitcoin will live long life, it doesn't mean that bitcoin is die. But i also think bitcoin should do, to improve the payment system for the people.
Yeah, i agree with you. Bitcoin will live a longer life than the expectation of others. The best proof that bitcoin will continue to live is the price of it right now and that is more than 2000 USD and soon it will climb up more, so i think instead of doubting about bitcoin. It is better to just join the boat and be rich after 5 years.

But this is exactly why I think that bitcoin is this:
"Bitcoin transaction will become less and less because its users will just hold their coins. Thus BTC would become a sort of digital asset, with no actual use as a payment system."

Bitcoin is entirely designed to become that.  Bitcoin got publicity as a "payment system" and this got, with the help of useful idiots, it rolling, but everything in bitcoin is designed to become a speculative digital asset, in about similar ways as the complex derivatives that banks were playing with until it blew up in their face in 2007.

Bitcoin has some aspects that make is somewhat suitable to be used as a somewhat clunky payment system, but if you think about it, for far most payments, if they are "open and legal", it is much, much, much easier, safer, etc... to use the fiat system than to go through bitcoin.  In most situations, you need MORE fiat actions to use bitcoin, than if you used the fiat system directly, and you need MORE centralized entities and trusted entities, than if you used fiat.  In practice, you need to send fiat money from your bank account to a (trusted ?) exchange ; then you need to buy bitcoin IOU on that exchange ; then you need to withdraw those bitcoins to your local wallet.  Only then, you can buy the stuff you want, if ever your transaction gets through.  And the merchant will use a payment processor to get his bitcoins converted in fiat again.  Phew.  If a direct bank transfer to the merchant were used, you could leave out 2 of the 4 trusted entities: the exchange and the payment processor.  You would only use your bank and the merchant's bank.  And you get legal guarantees.  If you use a credit card, then you only use one trusted entity: the credit card company, with all its legal safeguards.  No thickfingering of the amount or something at risk.  If hacked, you can call them and you are refunded.  In case of being scammed, you have the legal apparatus behind you.

However, in those places where fiat cannot go, or is risky to go, crypto currencies can be of much more usefulness.  This is seen in dark markets, bribery, ransom taking and so on.  This is the real good use of crypto as a payment system, and this is the economic value of crypto in the economy.

The reality we see now is that the harder it is to use bitcoin as a practical payment system, the higher the price goes.  This is because the price of bitcoin itself is NOT related to it being a clunky payment system.  It is because bitcoin is functioning as a highly speculative asset, and its main purpose right now is to serve as reserve currency for alt coin exchanges, being itself also a speculative asset, but MAINLY serving to back up the wallets of exchanges.
On exchanges, you don't use bitcoin, but you use bitcoin IOU, but the block chain is there somewhat as the "central bank of exchanges".  Only very sporadic withdrawals are needed and whether the block chain system functions smoothly or not doesn't matter much: the real token is the exchange IOU, only to be backed by bitcoins on the block chain pro forma in most cases.  

MOST of "bitcoin's usage" is people putting fiat on exchanges, to buy bitcoin IOU (not block chain bitcoins, but exchange IOU), to play with it on alt coin IOU (where the block chain matters even less), and speculate like the traders do in bank front offices on clearing houses.  When they have lost enough fiat, or when they have won enough, they sell their IOU on the exchange for fiat, and cash out.  Occasionally, they may withdraw coins on a genuine block chain, and transfer them to another exchange or so.  But mainly, bitcoin is an exchange IOU in speculative affairs.  This is what makes its market value almost entirely.

The block chain is simply there as a kind of "backing" for these exchange IOU "in case".  Whether that block chain works well or not doesn't matter: it only helps to define the exchange IOU on which one can gamble, like one gambles on complex derivatives.

And this fits entirely bitcoin's initial design (even if it wasn't its publicized purpose).  This is also why bitcoin doesn't need "VISA style" transaction volumes.  The 1MB limit will eventually force "payment usage" off bitcoin, and it will end up being essentially ONLY a settlement network for exchanges and for big sleazy business, because transactions will be expensive.  The move to a somewhat higher room on the chain will simply push this transition somewhat further along the road, but in the end, the individual cost of decentralized block chain transactions growing with its user base, at a certain level of adoption, bitcoin will lose all competitive advantage as a payment system ; its speculative definition with its emission curve that goes in the opposite direction of adoption, and hence stimulates speculation like nothing else (see your own "get rich" statement, which is the basic tenet of bitcoin since its inception) makes that it will never be a very fluid currency, but will be a super speculative asset.


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May 21, 2017, 02:43:54 AM
I think something is wrong with your prediction, also you could see in this thread, mostly people will not agree with your one point and that is bitcoin is die. Why you are not looking the price of bitcoin? Everyday bitcoin price gonna high, its mean bitcoin will live long life, it doesn't mean that bitcoin is die. But i also think bitcoin should do, to improve the payment system for the people.
No strong reason to say that bitcoin will die soon or later. Even if strict regulations were made bitcoin cannot be destroyed or lead towards death, because bitcoin as a innovation has got multiple usage not only as a currency, it also got usage in gambling industry and other sectors. So surely in one or the other way bitcoin will be used forever.
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May 21, 2017, 02:27:13 AM
I think something is wrong with your prediction, also you could see in this thread, mostly people will not agree with your one point and that is bitcoin is die. Why you are not looking the price of bitcoin? Everyday bitcoin price gonna high, its mean bitcoin will live long life, it doesn't mean that bitcoin is die. But i also think bitcoin should do, to improve the payment system for the people.
Yeah, i agree with you. Bitcoin will live a longer life than the expectation of others. The best proof that bitcoin will continue to live is the price of it right now and that is more than 2000 USD and soon it will climb up more, so i think instead of doubting about bitcoin. It is better to just join the boat and be rich after 5 years.
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May 21, 2017, 01:21:40 AM
I think something is wrong with your prediction, also you could see in this thread, mostly people will not agree with your one point and that is bitcoin is die. Why you are not looking the price of bitcoin? Everyday bitcoin price gonna high, its mean bitcoin will live long life, it doesn't mean that bitcoin is die. But i also think bitcoin should do, to improve the payment system for the people.
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May 20, 2017, 03:09:27 AM


New users and new merchants accepting BTC are the long term keys to Bitcoin thriving.  

This is exactly what I think.

Many people here, even legendary member, are too concerned about the price. They say "It's hitting 2000$, etc." What they don't seem to realize is just that. Most of us wanna buy stuff with Bitcoin, but if stores don't accept it we cannot do it. It's pretty obvious.

But new merchants don't accept Bitcoin because it's not convenient to do it.
Merchants who already accept Bitcoin don't receive payments, because buyers don't want to use it because of high fees. Thus merchants stop accepting Bitcoin payments.
So this is a vicious cycle and I think it will hurt Bitcoin.

Hoping miners and devs come to a solution...
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May 19, 2017, 03:59:11 PM
All that hard  work put in by a lot of people over the years would be put to waste if bitcoin folds up, which seems unlikely as more people are getting into it, and solutions are being formulated so the issues will be solved. It ia not an easy task because of the many parties that need to agree on certain things but they have their work cut out for them and we will see if in the next twelve months what other issues we would have to deal with.

Partially agree with your post. Surely many people are involved in Bitcoin businesses, but if we don't find a way to implement a solution in a short period of time newbies won't be attracted by Bitcoin and many businesses which receive Bitcoin payments could switch to other services.

Why a business should use a such slow and expensive payment system? There are no relevant pros...
but in fact bitcoin is already providing good opportunities to the people to use bitcoin and get profit by investing it in altcoin, from where one can realy get a good profit as there are so many opportunities to get profit from bitcoin.
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May 19, 2017, 01:15:53 PM
If it keeps dying like this the value will be ridiculously high. Heck it already is. Bitcoin, just keep on dying the same way...



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Yes, if it keeps dying like this, I can live with that.

But, without the Bitcoin Community solving the scaling problem(s), and I blame both sides, BTC will not offer a welcoming and comfortable environment for new people.

New users and new merchants accepting BTC are the long term keys to Bitcoin thriving.  I hope the MINERS and DEVELOPERS will grow up and resolve this.

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May 19, 2017, 01:10:26 PM


If in a few months bitcoin does not adjust the speed of operations, many users will abandon it and it will die. I hope bitcoin corrects this deficiency and everything will be fine, because he has already experienced various falls for so long.

I really hope so, but it seems so difficult right now to find a solution...
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May 19, 2017, 03:32:20 AM
All that hard  work put in by a lot of people over the years would be put to waste if bitcoin folds up, which seems unlikely as more people are getting into it, and solutions are being formulated so the issues will be solved. It ia not an easy task because of the many parties that need to agree on certain things but they have their work cut out for them and we will see if in the next twelve months what other issues we would have to deal with.

Partially agree with your post. Surely many people are involved in Bitcoin businesses, but if we don't find a way to implement a solution in a short period of time newbies won't be attracted by Bitcoin and many businesses which receive Bitcoin payments could switch to other services.

Why a business should use a such slow and expensive payment system? There are no relevant pros...

If in a few months bitcoin does not adjust the speed of operations, many users will abandon it and it will die. I hope bitcoin corrects this deficiency and everything will be fine, because he has already experienced various falls for so long.
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May 19, 2017, 01:22:44 AM
All that hard  work put in by a lot of people over the years would be put to waste if bitcoin folds up, which seems unlikely as more people are getting into it, and solutions are being formulated so the issues will be solved. It ia not an easy task because of the many parties that need to agree on certain things but they have their work cut out for them and we will see if in the next twelve months what other issues we would have to deal with.

Partially agree with your post. Surely many people are involved in Bitcoin businesses, but if we don't find a way to implement a solution in a short period of time newbies won't be attracted by Bitcoin and many businesses which receive Bitcoin payments could switch to other services.

Why a business should use a such slow and expensive payment system? There are no relevant pros...
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May 19, 2017, 01:06:27 AM
If it keeps dying like this the value will be ridiculously high. Heck it already is. Bitcoin, just keep on dying the same way...
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May 19, 2017, 12:29:38 AM
All that hard  work put in by a lot of people over the years would be put to waste if bitcoin folds up, which seems unlikely as more people are getting into it, and solutions are being formulated so the issues will be solved. It ia not an easy task because of the many parties that need to agree on certain things but they have their work cut out for them and we will see if in the next twelve months what other issues we would have to deal with.
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May 19, 2017, 12:19:40 AM
Bitcoin is gonna die for sure but it will not be soon because it will take a lot of time and almost a lot of decades before bitcoin will die because a lot of people now are using bitcoin and bitcoin is just getting started to be notice by the people around the world so it is not that easy for the haters to make bitcoin die because they will die first because of being old rather than bitcoin.
Yes because of there are problem with bitcoin (block size of bitcoin issue and other) doesn't mean will make it die soon,
 the comunity of bitcoin are still believe in bitcoin,
so many people who use bitcoin for investments into bitcoin or payment method for daily transaction
all of comunity has known about problem on bitcoin, up to right now it will not be problem.
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May 16, 2017, 05:17:19 AM
Bitcoin is gonna die soon because of too high fees and too slow transactions. It is becoming a very bad quality payment system, with no relevant pros in using it.


Now I see 4 different scenarios that could happen in the next months:

  • Bitcoin developers will solve these scaling problems and Bitcoin returns to be the cheap and fast payment system it was some years ago.
  • Bitcoin users will move all their BTCs to the so-called "altcoins". Most of these altcoins are already far better than BTC, regarding technical specs, confirmation time, privacy, etc. Dash, Monero, DOGE, LTC, etc. all of them are better than Bitcoin.
  • Bitcoin transaction will become less and less because its users will just hold their coins. Thus BTC would become a sort of digital asset, with no actual use as a payment system. (Note that Satoshi thought of Bitcoin mainly as an innovative payment system)
  • People will get tired of cryptocoins and move back to the ol' banking system.


Which one do you prefer and which one do you predict?

I think the scaling problems will be solved but it is still a long time away and the damage to bitcoin may be irreversible, as for altcoins I don't think any alt has really solved the scaling issue yet though some have already adopted segwit its only an intermediate solution. I also don't think people will move back to the old banking system so I would say in the short term option 3 is the most likely and is already happening btc is becoming an asset rather than a currency. Eventually the scaling issues will be solved however so option 1 is the long term scenario that I predict.
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May 16, 2017, 05:15:36 AM
Bitcoin is gonna die for sure but it will not be soon because it will take a lot of time and almost a lot of decades before bitcoin will die because a lot of people now are using bitcoin and bitcoin is just getting started to be notice by the people around the world so it is not that easy for the haters to make bitcoin die because they will die first because of being old rather than bitcoin.

Bitcoin can die, however, it is very unlikely, it will continue to grow, because it is being used by many countries. Some guys are always looking for ways to ruin bitcoin, but they have never been successful, bitcoin is still growing and will be stronger.
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May 16, 2017, 05:09:54 AM
Bitcoin is gonna die for sure but it will not be soon because it will take a lot of time and almost a lot of decades before bitcoin will die because a lot of people now are using bitcoin and bitcoin is just getting started to be notice by the people around the world so it is not that easy for the haters to make bitcoin die because they will die first because of being old rather than bitcoin.
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May 16, 2017, 05:08:03 AM
I am all in when op said it was bad quality for payment system because of high fees and very slow transactions (confirmation). People want to spend and store their money with something simple, easy, fast, cheap and secure payment system. Everyone knows bitcoin now is not like bitcoin few years ago.
Reduction of bitcoin users can't be unavoidable because of these reasons, but as a long term investment crypto currency asset, it's still number one.
I don't one of your polling is gonna happen to fix this, maybe I can say people have found the solution. It's called Ethereum.
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May 16, 2017, 04:54:33 AM
It's hard to determine how situation will change in near futurr because there was planned hard fork to fix current situation. Also still there are many only bitcoin services and people have to use bitcoin mostly than altcoin. Maybe transactions will become less and less. But OP's 4th scenario is senseless to my mind because still many people uses banks for btc/usd or other currency exchange, btw we can't avoid banks and it has nothing to do on bitcoin's popularity.
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May 16, 2017, 02:12:43 AM

Let me even use you as an example, you already have like 10btc in your wallet which you had few years ago. Knowing its worth now, would you want bitcoin dead?

No, of course I don't want that, but at the same time I prefer to hold my coins rather than spend them.
When I say it's gonna die, I mean that Bitcoin is becoming worthless as a payment service, not as an asset.

Those things are connected and we cannot have the latter without the former. If Bitcoin becomes worthless as a payment service its value will drop to zero and thus it will become worthless as an asset.
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