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Topic: Bitcoin is not a currency and this is why. - page 3. (Read 4142 times)

legendary
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December 26, 2014, 07:44:54 AM
#29
bitcoin is still a currency coz it can be used in paying or sending money to someone

Gold can be used for that, stocks can be used, anything which has value can be used. This doesnt make it a currency.

Even legally Bitcoin is seen as a commodity, not a currency.
sr. member
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December 26, 2014, 07:29:08 AM
#28
bitcoin is still a currency coz it can be used in paying or sending money to someone
legendary
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December 26, 2014, 07:26:09 AM
#27
I always see Bitcoin as a precious commodity, like an electronic version of gold. It can be used for payment but I never thought its suited well for that.
legendary
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December 26, 2014, 05:40:00 AM
#26
A sustainable loop = currency
no loop = investment/commodity

With a currency I can give a token to a man at a market selling produce.  He can use it to pay school fees for his child.  The school can give it to the teacher for teaching, and then the teacher can give it back to me.  Then the cycle starts again.

Bitcoin isn't really like that right now.  Yes, sometimes people pay for things in Bitcoins, but far more often Bitcoins are either 1. held (hodl), or 2. used as a mediator from fiat -> bitcoin -> fiat, or 3. sometimes when we are lucky fiat -> bitcoin -> purchase at one of the few places accepting bitcoin -> fiat. 

There simply is no loop yet. 

Someday it is possible that Bitcoin might make the jump from commodity to currency, and I do think it will happen, but I am doubtful that will happen in 2015. 

How are you going to instantly get $15,000 sent to your cousin Vladimir in Russia from USA?
hero member
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December 26, 2014, 05:34:17 AM
#25
Certainly Bitcoin is not a currency, because currency can't be invested, but Bitcoin can be invested. The true value of Bitcoin is not mostly related to the economy policy but the investors and the market. Bitcoin is not mainly used to purchase goods, and the value is not fixed. I think that's the big reason for your question. 
True, Bitcoin has great potential, and it worth to invest.
legendary
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mining is so 2012-2013
December 26, 2014, 02:25:53 AM
#24
lets clarify points mis-understood by previous posts. especially the OP.

currency can be anything. cigarettes in prison, vodka for favours in russia, etc. so currency so not a sustainable loop. currency includes products, favours, money, stocks, shares, commodities, property, assets, etc...

a sustainable loop is a small segment of the umbrella category of currency. and the OP should realize this small segment he talks about is 'money', thus the OP's topic should be that 'bitcoin is not money and this is why'

before the rebuttles come in.. money is not limited to FIAT (federally owned monetary currency) or legal tender or whatever.. money is the main sustainable currency used in any economy no matter who rules it, who owns it or how its used.

now lets move onto commodities.. as i hate that silly misconception.. bitcoin is not tangible or intrinsic (keywords of commodities), bitcoin however is in the realm of being an ASSET currency...

now with that said. bitcoin is a currency, its an asset currency, but it has not got to the point of being treated as money...... yet!

I like debating you. 

You say "po-tay-to" and I say "po-tah-to",
You say "to-may-to" and I say "to-mah-to"

Yes, technically you are right, and I wasn't this time. :-)  Though it is nice to see the that the underlying point is something we can agree on. 

The key word in the OP's argument is yet.

very key word

If i gave an American some swiss francs or Japanese yen it would be awkward to use it in 'the loop' you describe, but  not impossible - they are still currencies. 

They would work just fine if I travel to Japan or Switzerland.  The loop doesn't have to exist everywhere, but we need a loop somewhere. 

bitcoin


bit = digital

coin = currency

built to be used as a currency


bitcoin = digital currency


who cares if you hold, trade, invest

it is still a currency

wow

This is like saying
I do not use my house to live in, I rent it out therefore it is not a house


people trade the us dollar and hold it, invest in it, does this mean when they do this it is not a currency


I can call my coffee mug a mugcoin and try to pass it off as money, it doesn't make it so. 

The key distinguished here is that not all commodities are currencies, but all currencies can be commodities.  Or as Franky would more accurately say, "all money is an asset, but not all assets are money"
legendary
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Beyond Imagination
December 25, 2014, 09:38:50 PM
#23
Fiat money does not circulate by itself, banks get savings and loan them out to complete the loop. The key for circulation is the income. If everyone's income is in bitcoin's form, then they must spend them
hero member
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December 25, 2014, 09:33:30 PM
#22
Why is everyone and their dogs feel the need of posting their opinion on such matter ? Still beyond me.

My IQ lowers each time i take the time to read all the non sense some of you post.

Leaving this ''one among many'' fruitless topics.
legendary
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December 25, 2014, 09:26:32 PM
#21
lets clarify points mis-understood by previous posts. especially the OP.

currency can be anything. cigarettes in prison, vodka for favours in russia, etc. so currency so not a sustainable loop. currency includes products, favours, money, stocks, shares, commodities, property, assets, etc...

a sustainable loop is a small segment of the umbrella category of currency. and the OP should realize this small segment he talks about is 'money', thus the OP's topic should be that 'bitcoin is not money and this is why'

before the rebuttles come in.. money is not limited to FIAT (federally owned monetary currency) or legal tender or whatever.. money is the main sustainable currency used in any economy no matter who rules it, who owns it or how its used.

now lets move onto commodities.. as i hate that silly misconception.. bitcoin is not tangible or intrinsic (keywords of commodities), bitcoin however is in the realm of being an ASSET currency...

now with that said. bitcoin is a currency, its an asset currency, but it has not got to the point of being treated as money...... yet!
newbie
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December 25, 2014, 09:03:52 PM
#20
The loop will only be completed when Bitcoin is taken as a wage. However, there aren't many people willing to take Bitcoin as a wage because moving from something like the US Dollar to solely Bitcoin for survival is going to be very disruptive for someone's life. Only the brave/foolish (depending on your perspective) are going to be willing to accept this level of financial disruption.

There's still a lot of groundwork that needs to be laid before the loop is completed.
member
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Bitcoin is revolution
December 25, 2014, 09:01:40 PM
#19
This is extracted from the Nakamoto's paper:

Quote
A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online
payments
to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a
financial institution.

Say again BTC is not a currency and you're hiding the truth.
Q7
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December 25, 2014, 08:59:22 PM
#18
That is because acceptance rate is so low. We are simply not at that stage just yet and it's true there are not many places where you can buy something with bitcoin. We need auction sites like ebay or amazon to change that. If this happens it will be big.
sr. member
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December 25, 2014, 08:47:52 PM
#17
Certainly Bitcoin is not a currency, because currency can't be invested, but Bitcoin can be invested. The true value of Bitcoin is not mostly related to the economy policy but the investors and the market. Bitcoin is not mainly used to purchase goods, and the value is not fixed. I think that's the big reason for your question. 
legendary
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December 25, 2014, 05:22:45 PM
#16
btc is not a currency. yet.

And probably it will never be. Why? Because %99 of the people does not give a *uck about btc. They only care about how much value it has in $$$ and €€€, and some £££. People judge btc with the value it has in fiat. It is all about fiat.

It is only good for transferring big amounts of money tho. Which is a good thing only for drug dealers and terrorists Smiley
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December 25, 2014, 05:17:21 PM
#15
The key word in the OP's argument is yet. I agree that bitcoin is not at the point now that someone can receive it for some good and then go buy a totally unrelated good at the market price. We are however getting closer to that point. What is stopping the "loop" from being possible is the lack of merchant adoption and the lack of b2b transactions possible with bitcoin.


Yea, it seems that subtelty might be lost in the title of the thread ;p or maybe there's an existential aspect here...

If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around... Is it a person when the sperm meets the egg...
Is a currency a currency before everyone in your own personal day to day life accept it?
sr. member
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December 25, 2014, 05:10:19 PM
#14
The key word in the OP's argument is yet. I agree that bitcoin is not at the point now that someone can receive it for some good and then go buy a totally unrelated good at the market price. We are however getting closer to that point. What is stopping the "loop" from being possible is the lack of merchant adoption and the lack of b2b transactions possible with bitcoin.

We have however seen increases in merchant adoption with many major businesses starting to accept bitcoin, and some with a policy of retaining some of it to spend later and some with a policy to have all their expenses denominated in bitcoin
sr. member
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December 25, 2014, 05:08:54 PM
#13
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Also, you gotta remember it's digital. Holding a BTC is impossible, unlike a dollar or other currencies...

You could argue the same for usd and other currencies. The notes and coins are representative, just numbers on a piece of paper.  
Btc is typically just represented by numbers on a screen instead of paper, but isn't any less real.

Anyway, even if you disagree with the above : there are many people that never use cash, only visa cards. Eg in Norway they are talking about removing printed cash from circulation because 99% of people just use bank cards, is the Norwegian krone or any other currency any less real if the people who use it never have a note or coin in their hand?
legendary
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Nighty Night Don't Let The Trolls Bite Nom Nom Nom
December 25, 2014, 04:56:06 PM
#12
although more than ever you can spend bitcoins with merchants, some big names included like Microsoft, most of these places just use the bitcoin network as a means of getting their preferred currency into their bank account faster and with less % skimmed off the top.
legendary
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December 25, 2014, 04:54:36 PM
#11
loop = fail

sr. member
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December 25, 2014, 04:52:52 PM
#10
It is possible to get your wages in btc. Its possible to pay your bills in btc. Its possible to buy many day to day items with btc...
The loop is there, it is difficult to do it day to day, sure. But you can say that about many currencies.

If i gave an American some swiss francs or Japanese yen it would be awkward to use it in 'the loop' you describe, but  not impossible - they are still currencies. 
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