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Quote from: jaysabi on March 27, 2021, 11:52:33 PM

Quote from: Darker45 on March 17, 2021, 08:18:15 PM

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Bitcoin maximalists are the definition of cringe. Did you know bitcoin was invented to save mankind from political oppression, censorship, poverty, and dozens of other threats? At least, that's what they'd have you believe even though literally none of that is true. The retcon of bitcoin's origin story is too much.

I'd have to agree. Sometimes I tend to think these maxis are treating Bitcoin a lot more than it actually is. Bitcoin is great; no question about it. But the moment it is being treated as a kind of a religion, everything makes no more sense already. The moment a fan cannot see anything wrong with Bitcoin whatsoever, things are already becoming fallacious.

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Quote from: jaysabi on March 27, 2021, 11:52:33 PM

Bitcoin maximalists are the definition of cringe. Did you know bitcoin was invented to save mankind from political oppression, censorship, poverty, and dozens of other threats? At least, that's what they'd have you believe even though literally none of that is true. The retcon of bitcoin's origin story is too much.

Be careful what you say about them because they are going to attack you definitely and they do not want their belief challenged even in the most healthy way of discussing the short comings of their one true beloved cryptocurrency that is Bitcoin, someday we will come to a time when bitcoin becomes like Jesus Christ because of these bitcoin absurdist/maximalist. Seriously though, these types of people needs to calm their tits down and try to get some fresh air and sunlight because they clearly lack some social interactions and they have to understand that we are on a Kardashev scale, a Primitive Civilization which means that our technologies still faces limitations and bitcoin is not exempted from that limitations.

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Quote from: Darker45 on March 17, 2021, 08:18:15 PM

It's such a huge claim. Sometimes I cringe on certain claims made by Bitcoin fans. I don't necessarily disagree with them, but sometimes they just seem to portray Bitcoin as something heaven-sent, capable of addressing the most fundamental issues of humanity.

Many a time have I heard of claims such as Bitcoin could highly boost a country's economy, Bitcoin could address poverty, Bitcoin could address unequal distribution of wealth, and so forth. There may be a certain amount of truth in each or even all of them but to generalize or label Bitcoin as such could actually be misleading or simply an exaggeration.

At the end of the day, Bitcoin is simply a tool, a generally neutral tool which could protect a certain human right such as the right to privacy, for example, as much as it could also be a tool used by a criminal to get away from being lawfully prosecuted and brought to justice.

Bitcoin maximalists are the definition of cringe. Did you know bitcoin was invented to save mankind from political oppression, censorship, poverty, and dozens of other threats? At least, that's what they'd have you believe even though literally none of that is true. The retcon of bitcoin's origin story is too much.

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Quote from: iv4n on March 26, 2021, 07:05:27 AM

Learn about traditional currencies, for example about the dollar and euro, all others are alike! Then learn about crypto and find all the differences...

Why Bitcoin is protecting human rights around the world... simply because it doesn't care about your nationality, religion, the color of your eyes or skin! Without any prejudice, Bitcoin is here to deliver us a decentralized economy, based on mathematic and algorithms...

Who needs to protect human rights? You can say governments and laws, and they are doing some job, but not even close to what they need to do ... on the other side I think we all need to protect all of us! It's the next step of evolution... of course, we need a tool for that! And guess what will be our tool?!

I know examples could be always examples and none is wrong in its way. But this is as wrong as it gets for an example, arrow and sniper? Really? If you want to give an example for, it could be this itself, without even giving any other example.

Would you rather live in a world where all the financial decisions are made by capitalists who are trying to get as rich as possible without caring about what is going to happen to other people? Or would you rather live in a fair world where everyone has the equal chances to make money?

Because that is what it is with bitcoin, that 21 million limit is something that everyone should care about, and a lot, because in the real world since rich people want more money they print more money and they end up not spending that money, so now you live in an economy that constantly grows but that growth always goes to rich and that inflation is paid by poor.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on March 26, 2021, 02:11:34 AM

Quote from: int03h on March 25, 2021, 10:16:32 AM

Money has no right or wrong, they are just a tools for people to use.

I think bitcoin is not related to human rights. Like the statement above, bitcoin is like money, a tool for a human to buy, hold, or use as a safe haven. Maybe bitcoin gives anonymity to people who do not want other people to know how much money they had, and even the government does not know about that. But that does not mean that bitcoin protects human rights because whether you like it or not, we still live in a country with a government that will control all of its people. When people use bitcoin, they will have something that the government and the government do not control will not know about their money.

Although there's no totally freedom anywhere or anyplace in the world but if you judge base on the bitcoin potential, concept with it creation it does related to human rights which is the major reason some government detest in the first place and that'ss why a lot of communism country don't legalize it. Besides, even alot of politician confirm Bitcoin to be people liberation from the government. So if you don't understand this feature about Bitcoin than it use and anonymity I assumed you don't understand Satoshi's vision for creating Bitcoin.

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Quote from: Gyfts on March 25, 2021, 01:45:51 PM

It's not like BTC is going to save the world.

Yeah, and it will never be. As it doesn't reach the poorest of the poor and only us normal individuals,... It's just a form of money anyways, it has nothing to do on that.
especially on this case below:

Quote from: Gyfts on March 25, 2021, 01:45:51 PM

It provides economic freedom and decentralization, "human rights" has nothing to do with it.

Human right is indeed nothing to do with Bitcoin not to mention the whole CryptoWorld LoL.

Quote from: Betwrong on March 26, 2021, 07:51:04 AM

Quote from: https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights

2. Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.

This particular right is heavily violated in countries with authoritarian regimes. It's almost impossible to find a well-paid job without connections to those in power or without being a zealous supporter of the regime. We all know that Bitcoin can help with protecting this particular right.

I'm interested on how Bitcoin will do this part...

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on March 26, 2021, 02:11:34 AM

Quote from: int03h on March 25, 2021, 10:16:32 AM

Money has no right or wrong, they are just a tools for people to use.

I think bitcoin is not related to human rights. Like the statement above, bitcoin is like money, a tool for a human to buy, hold, or use as a safe haven. Maybe bitcoin gives anonymity to people who do not want other people to know how much money they had, and even the government does not know about that. But that does not mean that bitcoin protects human rights because whether you like it or not, we still live in a country with a government that will control all of its people. When people use bitcoin, they will have something that the government and the government do not control will not know about their money.

Can you imagine that a person usually keeps too much money in the bank without being kept eye on by the main bank and the government? I have seen the bank lock a friend's account because he has more money than the average person in his account. What do you think when the bank does the same to you. It is their supervision and makes us uncomfortable. Bitcoin can help me keep my money as much as I want and no one can use it outside of me.
Bitcoin is very resistant to inflation and is worth increasing over time.

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Quote from: Gyfts on March 25, 2021, 01:45:51 PM

Meh, this is kinda going overboard.

Anyone in the position to use Bitcoin probably already enjoys human rights that some people don't have...particularly muslims in concentration camps over in China. It's not like BTC is going to save the world. It provides economic freedom and decentralization, "human rights" has nothing to do with it. And no, I don't consider economic freedoms to be a "human right", more like a basic liberty.

I disagree, and I will cite the Article 23 from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights to support my point.

Quote from: https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights

2. Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.

This particular right is heavily violated in countries with authoritarian regimes. It's almost impossible to find a well-paid job without connections to those in power or without being a zealous supporter of the regime. We all know that Bitcoin can help with protecting this particular right.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on March 26, 2021, 02:11:34 AM

Quote from: int03h on March 25, 2021, 10:16:32 AM

Money has no right or wrong, they are just a tools for people to use.

I think bitcoin is not related to human rights. Like the statement above, bitcoin is like money, a tool for a human to buy, hold, or use as a safe haven. Maybe bitcoin gives anonymity to people who do not want other people to know how much money they had, and even the government does not know about that. But that does not mean that bitcoin protects human rights because whether you like it or not, we still live in a country with a government that will control all of its people. When people use bitcoin, they will have something that the government and the government do not control will not know about their money.

So it goes like this... you need to dig a hole... you can use a shovel or excavator? You go hunting with arrows or with a sniper?

Learn about traditional currencies, for example about the dollar and euro, all others are alike! Then learn about crypto and find all the differences...

Why Bitcoin is protecting human rights around the world... simply because it doesn't care about your nationality, religion, the color of your eyes or skin! Without any prejudice, Bitcoin is here to deliver us a decentralized economy, based on mathematic and algorithms...

Who needs to protect human rights? You can say governments and laws, and they are doing some job, but not even close to what they need to do ... on the other side I think we all need to protect all of us! It's the next step of evolution... of course, we need a tool for that! And guess what will be our tool?!

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Quote from: Twentyonepaylots on March 26, 2021, 01:03:46 AM

Never knew bitcoin can be Ghandi lol. Kiddings aside, sometimes us supporters have to pipe down our love and enthusiasm for the coin as we come out as lunatics and cringey redditors at times.

This has to be said a long time ago, and I agree with this, just support bitcoin and not become a fanatic of it, and there is a thin line between the two. I mean this is just an exaggeration of the things that bitcoin can do, maybe in the future we might see something more wacky than this claim. Maybe if bitcoin was used to fund relief for war-torn countries then maybe bitcoin really does help human rights.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on March 26, 2021, 02:11:34 AM

Quote from: int03h on March 25, 2021, 10:16:32 AM

Money has no right or wrong, they are just a tools for people to use.

I think bitcoin is not related to human rights. Like the statement above, bitcoin is like money, a tool for a human to buy, hold, or use as a safe haven. Maybe bitcoin gives anonymity to people who do not want other people to know how much money they had, and even the government does not know about that. But that does not mean that bitcoin protects human rights because whether you like it or not, we still live in a country with a government that will control all of its people. When people use bitcoin, they will have something that the government and the government do not control will not know about their money.

No inflation doesn't mean that Bitcoin protects human rights. Because as you said, money is only a medium of exchange. The concept of human rights here is not really protected by Bitcoin. If Bitcoin really protects human rights then it won't work that way right now. Don't because of several things that intersect, it seems like it is a big influence. Even though that is not the concept.

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Quote from: int03h on March 25, 2021, 10:16:32 AM

Money has no right or wrong, they are just a tools for people to use.

I think bitcoin is not related to human rights. Like the statement above, bitcoin is like money, a tool for a human to buy, hold, or use as a safe haven. Maybe bitcoin gives anonymity to people who do not want other people to know how much money they had, and even the government does not know about that. But that does not mean that bitcoin protects human rights because whether you like it or not, we still live in a country with a government that will control all of its people. When people use bitcoin, they will have something that the government and the government do not control will not know about their money.

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Never knew bitcoin can be Ghandi lol. Kiddings aside, sometimes us supporters have to pipe down our love and enthusiasm for the coin as we come out as lunatics and cringey redditors at times. First and foremost, people who use bitcoin probably have little to none of their rights violated prior tp their investment, so I do not see how bitcoin eatablishes rights or protects them like how you put it to be.

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Meh, this is kinda going overboard.

Anyone in the position to use Bitcoin probably already enjoys human rights that some people don't have...particularly muslims in concentration camps over in China. It's not like BTC is going to save the world. It provides economic freedom and decentralization, "human rights" has nothing to do with it. And no, I don't consider economic freedoms to be a "human right", more like a basic liberty.

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Quote from: stompix on March 18, 2021, 09:03:36 AM

Protecting?
Please name in which of all those situations have the freedom and the human rights been protected?

Quote from: Darker45 on March 17, 2021, 08:18:15 PM

Many a time have I heard of claims such as Bitcoin could highly boost a country's economy, Bitcoin could address poverty, Bitcoin could address unequal distribution of wealth, and so forth. There may be a certain amount of truth in each or even all of them but to generalize or label Bitcoin as such could actually be misleading or simply an exaggeration.

Well, Bitcoin is fighting poverty in Venezuela for almost a decade but it seems like it's not succeeding at all.

I wish people would stop having such great expectations from a coin that was not designed for any of those, it's not a magic golden goose, it's not a magical safe that won't open no matter what, it's not something that can protect its user from abuse.
It's a perfect tool to make transactions and keep your money safe in a normal environment, in a stable country with no mad dictator, not in a war-torn country where the police or army is free to beat you to death if you don't tell them everything you know.

What you say makes sense. Actually bitcoin isn't capable of protecting human's rights around the world, but it's a powerful tool to help those who are suffering in countries where human's rights aren't respected. It helps people to survive during these hard times. If it wasn't bitcoin, the conditions of many people would be much worse than it currently is.
It seems bitcoin is a very welcome palliative that might be putting adopters in their confort zone, like you said in Venezuela's case. But at same time we can't blame those people for not making the difference for their countries, as it's an effort which needs lots of people and most people in these countries are somehow conniving with tyrannical governments.

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Quote from: AndySt on March 24, 2021, 06:51:30 PM

Quote from: int03h on March 24, 2021, 11:05:26 AM

Bitcoin represents human will and it penetrates the financial barriers that governments create. Over the years, countries have accused Bitcoin of being involved in money laundering, arms trafficking and a host of other crimes, but upon investigation and discovery it was the US dollar and the classical finance (the banking system) it is the tool of the crime.
Bitcoin is more trusted than ever before and most clearly demonstrated that its value increases over time in spite of national rumors and bans.
I think Bitcoin is the product of the spirit of freedom, the will to cross borders and connect people.

I certainly agree about the importance of bitcoin for the population of our planet as a product of the spirit of freedom and the spirit of unification, but still I would not deny the reality of some negative aspects of the use of cryptocurrencies by different people with bad intentions Wink

Although of course it is clear that all sorts of crimes involving the use of fiat currencies are incomparably greater due to the scale. On the other hand, such negativity should not be automatically linked to both fiat currencies and cryptocurrencies.

Bitcoin or FIAT are both man-made currency and they represent labor and goods. Bitcoin is a store of value similar to gold and silver.
Money has no right or wrong, they are just a tools for people to use. So if you consider the morality of money, it's really zero. But if you consider the fairness in creating properly, not being manipulated, Bitcoin is created by computing devices, the Bitcoin network is decentralized and better than the state authority creating FIAT.

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Quote from: int03h on March 24, 2021, 11:05:26 AM

Bitcoin represents human will and it penetrates the financial barriers that governments create. Over the years, countries have accused Bitcoin of being involved in money laundering, arms trafficking and a host of other crimes, but upon investigation and discovery it was the US dollar and the classical finance (the banking system) it is the tool of the crime.
Bitcoin is more trusted than ever before and most clearly demonstrated that its value increases over time in spite of national rumors and bans.
I think Bitcoin is the product of the spirit of freedom, the will to cross borders and connect people.

I certainly agree about the importance of bitcoin for the population of our planet as a product of the spirit of freedom and the spirit of unification, but still I would not deny the reality of some negative aspects of the use of cryptocurrencies by different people with bad intentions Wink

Although of course it is clear that all sorts of crimes involving the use of fiat currencies are incomparably greater due to the scale. On the other hand, such negativity should not be automatically linked to both fiat currencies and cryptocurrencies.

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Bitcoin represents human will and it penetrates the financial barriers that governments create. Over the years, countries have accused Bitcoin of being involved in money laundering, arms trafficking and a host of other crimes, but upon investigation and discovery it was the US dollar and the classical finance (the banking system) it is the tool of the crime.
Bitcoin is more trusted than ever before and most clearly demonstrated that its value increases over time in spite of national rumors and bans.
I think Bitcoin is the product of the spirit of freedom, the will to cross borders and connect people.

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I can say about the BTC account based only on my experience. Yes, for me, BTC and the advent of cryptocurrencies in general made it possible to get an additional source of income and improve my life. Of course, these are not coordinated changes for the better, but to some extent they are. However, this does not mean that BTC and cryptocurrencies are being used by saviors around the world. No, this is not so, because not everyone is familiar with crypto at all. The big headlines about BTC are sometimes just dummy, I call it manipulation. You must understand that it will not work for everyone to do well, and each person must do something for their own success and solving problems. BTC and cryptocurrencies are just another tool for achieving goals and the fact that they are only used for good needs and good people. It's just that if you have problems, then certain actions are needed to solve them, and BTC and crypto may well help in this.

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Quote from: Mauser on March 20, 2021, 05:20:20 PM

The role of Television in spreading fake news in 2020 and 2021 is really alarming. We should all be very careful when seeing news on TV these days, it is better to double check everything we hear and don't believe things straight away. Unfortunately our society changed a lot in the last 10 years, a lot of people just take their news from Facebook and believe a lot of nonsense. In my opinion it is a good thing that Bitcoins are protecting Human Rights around the world.

Things are much better now, when compared to the situation we had two decades ago. Back then there were only two or three news channels and they could churn out fake news as per their liking. But nowadays we have dozens of news channels and on top of that social media platforms are also quite active. Dishing out fake news nowadays work only among illiterate people. And Bitcoin represents another step towards eliminating government inspired fake news.

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