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legendary
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as for saying bitcoin is a nothing value.

bitcoin has a cost value.
im not talking about speculative price of the volatile market. im talking about the underlying value. the cost of its creation

So you are back at it

I haven't heard you talk about Bitcoin mining costs for some time, I mean, after you and people who supported the idea that Bitcoin couldn't possibly crash below 6k because "so were the mining costs" back in the day were proved flat-out wrong. Now, when the dust has settled a little, you are back to your element and started to preach the same bullshit about production costs determining value of something again

Somehow I thought that people can learn at least the hard way but I was obviously wrong (well, actually I think that most people can't learn at all, either way)
member
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Let's compare this to fiat currencies because their misconception is the main reason why people fail to realize that by owning Bitcoin they own nothing. So, let's assume that you traded your car for 10,000 dollars. Now, the question is what do you own after such transaction? Do you own nothing or do you own something? Well, you own something. Namely, your own debt certificates. These certificates are either digital or paper. If you received banknotes you become the owner of paper debt certificates. If you received numerical value on your bank account you become the owner of digital debt certificates. With these certificates you are entitled to goods, services or property of borrowers. Let's explain how this ownership is utilized in practice.

^ FAIL
when you sell a car for FIAT. you dont own FIAT. you hold FIAT. but the FIAT is not yours.
its under licence by a government. they can take it from you without notice. they can freeze accounts they can tax it. they can do what they like, because its theirs.

with bitcoin you own the private key that secures that you have full ownership control of the bitcoin linked to the private key

i dare you to have a bitcoin private key and a bank account. and truly ask yourself. who controls what
go on try to move your fiat out of an ATM for more than $500 amount.

try spending a substantial amount ($10k) fiat via a bank account without the bank asking questions.
you do not own FIAT. they are just letting you handle it under their licence terms

try crossing a state/country border with $10k see how much FIAT you get to own without question


as for saying bitcoin is a nothing value.

bitcoin has a cost value.
im not talking about speculative price of the volatile market. im talking about the underlying value. the cost of its creation.

PoS coins for instance have no underlying value. as the underlying cost is zero. but bitcoin does have a underlying value.
you might wanna research that.

FIAT (not talking about market rate of loaves it would buy or rate compared to other currencies on forex) fiats underlying value is of the cost in its creation too. which is things like yes the debt (mortgage/credit agreement) that created the promissory note. but also the minimum wage laws that value a $7.50 as being an hours worth of sweat labour

.. one thing i do find funny.
a patent /copyright is just an idea. yet you argue people do have ownership of something. even if its just an idea.. but then try to say bitcoin idea is not real........ pick a hypocrisy and stick with it. you cant be right on both sides of a table especialy if a patent/copyright may not even come with any creation cost

This is one of the best explanation i have ever read. i totally agree with you man, with fiat, you don't own it, you just hold it because the Government lets you to, while with bitcoin, you are the only person that has control over your funds directly.
sr. member
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The value of it is $3650 approximate and you think it is worth nothing ?
then how about the corrupt system where they print 0.15 dollars of paper turning it into money and lending it out to the kinds of people like you and putting interest in it. That's how ridiculous the fiat system is.
There have been divided opinions about Bitcoin and tend to question its potential and credibility. However, for those who are well-aware and educated about this invention, they know how beneficial and profitable Bitcoin is. It is a total breakthrough, an invention, a technology that brings quality of life. It may not be widely-accepted for now, but I believe that its demand will continue to increase.
sr. member
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The value of it is $3650 approximate and you think it is worth nothing ?
then how about the corrupt system where they print 0.15 dollars of paper turning it into money and lending it out to the kinds of people like you and putting interest in it. That's how ridiculous the fiat system is.
legendary
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You talk about Bitcoin like it is something, like it is an actual thing or even a person: "see it", "believe in it", "invest in it", "profit from it", "benefit from it". Unfortunately Bitcoin is just a fancy name for changed digits in a distributed spreadsheet, it is just a mathematical abstraction, and not an actual thing. Actual things don't appear or disappear by changing digits. People profited or benefited from other people's actual things like dollars, goods or services, not from changed spreadsheet digits. No one can benefit from that. No one can benefit from Bitcoin.
And yet, here we are. Most of us as we writing here, believes that the idea of bitcoin is somewhat beneficial.
Fact is that most of the world's economy today is built on the premise of changing digits

I definitely support this stance

What's more, if we start to think about it, we will inevitably arrive at a conclusion that "changing digits" is not in fact the worst form of a "mathematical abstraction and not an actual thing", even without taking into account that the best part of the modern economy is like that exactly. The worst thing is that decisions we make, life preferences we have, and choices we pick are coming from what may be even more abstract than digits in an obscure server somewhere "out there". So it doesn't really matter because the very idea of profits and benefits as such is no less abstract
copper member
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It's a free world and so people have the right to air their opinions.
Those who are of the opinion that bitcoin is the most ridiculous invention ever say that based on their own peculiar experiences and researched.
And that right is respected here.
Personally, I think bitcoin invention is the most ever powerful invention in recent times.
The blockchain technology is said to be one of the biggest technologies of our time.
hero member
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Bobby Fischer was right
You talk about Bitcoin like it is something, like it is an actual thing or even a person: "see it", "believe in it", "invest in it", "profit from it", "benefit from it". Unfortunately Bitcoin is just a fancy name for changed digits in a distributed spreadsheet, it is just a mathematical abstraction, and not an actual thing. Actual things don't appear or disappear by changing digits. People profited or benefited from other people's actual things like dollars, goods or services, not from changed spreadsheet digits. No one can benefit from that. No one can benefit from Bitcoin.
And yet, here we are. Most of us as we writing here, believes that the idea of bitcoin is somewhat beneficial.
Fact is that most of the world's economy today is built on the premise of changing digits. Without a doubt such mechanism is beneficial but one question remains, for whom? Ordinary citizen that will try to "change the digits" in his favour will certainly end up in a cell block.
This phenomenon that one can become his own bank and accountant, must be worth something and thankfully it is.
Now, if anyone is given this chance to operate on same level as the "house" is than truly equal outcome can be achieved. It is not guaranteed of course, because moving "digits" alone is not enough any more. Once again process of financial operations was humanized, influence and economic power ratios were readjusted, this alone simply must be beneficial to us all.
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if you have no trust in Crypto or BTC, why are you using a crypto ad in your footer, mr. hypocrite?
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https://youtu.be/pSbSKGDypPY

The above video shows that by buying Bitcoin one is selling ownership of something and buying ownership of nothing. This is because Bitcoin is just a fancy name for changed digits, and the fact is that something cannot appear or disappear by changing digits. Since Bitcoin is the first time in human history that people voluntarily and massively give up something to become the owners of absolutely and literally nothing, this makes Bitcoin the most ridiculous invention ever made.

Do you actually buy into this idea? If yes, then you sound entirely ridiculous as well. How then do you classify fiat which was created out of nothing (mostly papers) yet human beings decided to give it value? If you can answer this, then you are right with your concept.
legendary
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2. To build a Bitcoin system, the fundamental reason lies in the social distrust of the government. The existence of Bitcoin is in fact a disguised deprivation of the government's Seigniorage and tax rights, making inflation technically impossible

I can't say that I disagree with this claim, conceptually

But to actually get there we need true, run-away acceptance of Bitcoin everywhere by virtually everyone and almost entire abandonment of fiat currencies by wide masses of population. It looks unlikely in the foreseeable future. So while Bitcoin may in fact be a challenge to governments and an epoch-making emergence from anarchists' point of view, the governments couldn't care less until and unless common people en masse start using it. In simple terms, what anarchists think and do is irrelevant simply because they are inconsequential
sr. member
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this is only a matter of different viewpoints, bitcoin varies in each person's view, some call it gold and some call it silliness like you. But when you think of old developments, you might think bitcoin is ridiculous but when you think of future developments, everything you think is ridiculous becomes real
sr. member
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https://youtu.be/pSbSKGDypPY

The above video shows that by buying Bitcoin one is selling ownership of something and buying ownership of nothing. This is because Bitcoin is just a fancy name for changed digits, and the fact is that something cannot appear or disappear by changing digits. Since Bitcoin is the first time in human history that people voluntarily and massively give up something to become the owners of absolutely and literally nothing, this makes Bitcoin the most ridiculous invention ever made.


But the process of buying and selling were continuing in the past, that made bitcoin valuable.
Peoples were buying with lower price, and selling with higher price in the market of exchange.
Therefore, the price of bitcoin was continuing to rise and sometimes get corrected back if too high.
It relied with people who can take the risk of buying it and holds waiting for the new price to earned, bitcoin gained the attentions and trust of people
who loves finding new ways of keeping an assets, for many people who didn't bothered to know invest they can easily say bad things as they don't
have any the ideas regarding to blockchain technology, they based bitcoin with how current movement happens but not the technology.
newbie
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Talk about the rationality of Bitcoin:

1. In terms of technical structure, it is a more advanced currency than currencies or precious metals that can play a monetary role. 0 loss, anonymous payment, and high unforgeability

2. To build a Bitcoin system, the fundamental reason lies in the social distrust of the government. The existence of Bitcoin is in fact a disguised deprivation of the government's Seigniorage and tax rights, making inflation technically impossible.



So bitcoin is the best tool and means for anarchists to realize. If we really want to discuss how to treat bitcoin, we need to solve the problem of how to treat the government first. It's a matter of buttocks deciding the head. Triggered from the perspective of government management of society, Bitcoin is just a Ponzi scheme; but from the perspective of free anarchists, Bitcoin is an epoch-making emergence.
jr. member
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although the most ridiculous discovery. but I was very impressed. with the bitcoin digital world. because the presence of Bitcoin is very helpful for my economic growth, bro. without bitcoin I certainly can't have a good enough economy like now.
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https://youtu.be/pSbSKGDypPY

The above video shows that by buying Bitcoin one is selling ownership of something and buying ownership of nothing. This is because Bitcoin is just a fancy name for changed digits, and the fact is that something cannot appear or disappear by changing digits. Since Bitcoin is the first time in human history that people voluntarily and massively give up something to become the owners of absolutely and literally nothing, this makes Bitcoin the most ridiculous invention ever made.


But the process of buying and selling were continuing in the past, that made bitcoin valuable.
Peoples were buying with lower price, and selling with higher price in the market of exchange.
Therefore, the price of bitcoin was continuing to rise and sometimes get corrected back if too high.
legendary
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In short:
Fiat is based on debt, Bitcoin is based on trust.
I know what I prefer!

Ponzi is also based on trust. So?

There is a difference between Ponzi trust and Bitcoin trust. People don't trust Ponzi, they just want to earn quick money so they take a risk, But bitcoin is different here, bitcoin was nothing, but by the all support and trust, bitcoin is the base of the crypto market and you know how big is bitcoin market! A good reader never feard to invest in crypto, rather they trust on it and they believe ina bright future with it

There is certainly a difference between Ponzi and Bitcoin

But it is not in the matters of trust. Ultimately, it all comes down to trust (or faith if you please), and it is the same with Ponzi as well as Bitcoin (and fiat, for that matter). People buy whatever they are buying in a Ponzi scheme believing that they will be able to profit even if they know beforehand that many will lose all. It is not particularly different with Bitcoin (if we discard the losing all part, of course). So the difference is necessarily elsewhere
jr. member
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Well, now it is. The inception of derivatives and other financial products built on cryptocurrencies took away one thing the value of BTC was based on - its limited supply. Look at Cryptocompare BTC market data. About 1/3 of the trading volume comes from BitMex exchange, which is actually trading a derivative called a "perpetual contract", instead of actual BTC. Not one spot trading exchange can come even remotely close with their volumes to BitMex. With the 200x leverage what BitMex offers for trading, it virtually expands BTC supply to 200 times. Plus CBOE and CME futures, and such. The more of these financial products based upon cryptocurrencies are being created, the less scarce blockchain based coins will become. The whole cryptomarket works now exactly like the fractional reserve banking, where the real money (reserves) created by the central banks, make only a fraction (about 5%) of the total money supply, the rest of 95% is just private banking sector created IOU contracts called credit, built upon the reserves.

This needs to be read out loud carefully. Truest statement on this forum in a while .... Glad someone else has a brain, isn't just a cheerleader for our destruction...
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In short:
Fiat is based on debt, Bitcoin is based on trust.
I know what I prefer!

Ponzi is also based on trust. So?

There is a difference between Ponzi trust and Bitcoin trust. People don't trust Ponzi, they just want to earn quick money so they take a risk, But bitcoin is different here, bitcoin was nothing, but by the all support and trust, bitcoin is the base of the crypto market and you know how big is bitcoin market! A good reader never feard to invest in crypto, rather they trust on it and they believe ina bright future with it.
member
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Bitcoin is not a currency note it's a digital currency that's means it's based on technology.
If you know more about bitcoin you would know that it can be converted into other currency through exchanges
copper member
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I think bitcoin is not a silly discovery, but a recent discovery for the future. Like a paper currency that is only a piece of paper but you believe it has value, isn't that still a paper.
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