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sr. member
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May 17, 2017, 11:18:56 AM
for me it is not useless and bitcoin now is proven its function in digital world and used in every country
bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are now known globally and now increasingly is value.

A useless currency will not be used by everyone, so bitcoin is a very useful money for everyone, it has a great influence on the economic strength of some countries.
legendary
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May 16, 2017, 12:34:21 PM
Let's see pussycat do you have the balls to reply in  less than 4 lines?

A mangy dog always returns to its vomit

Let me ask another question.

What makes a currency useful?

Basically, currency allows you to separate in time two otherwise inseparable events (read one event), namely, an exchange of goods. What would be a one event in a barter deal turns out to be two essentially independent events in the exchange of goods mediated by a currency. This offers you a possibility to exchange virtually anything for anything else (which is not the case with barter), that's why currency is useful

Just in case, Bitcoin is not a currency, for the most part, as of yet and so far
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May 16, 2017, 12:33:49 PM
Lol the fee can be as big or small as you want. This is a non issue if you're sending money to someone who can wait a few days and you want to cheap out in the fee.

I actually agree on this, it is our choice on how much fee are we going to put on, actually it is by our choice if we are willing to wait or someone who will receive the coin, then it is okay just to give small fee but then patience is fully needed especially now that we have volume of transactions, but if not we can put high fee to receive coin instantly.
Your both have a good point and i think the transaction speed is depends on the fee and the transaction size but the problem when we are sending bitcoin to another wallet we do not know how much we should the fee because there is no tool for estimation.. honestly on electrum i am not satisfied with the dynamic fee because its set at 0.001 that honestly more than $1 even you are transact a small amount of bitcoin you are paying a high fee even the transaction size is low..
This is still not solve issue..
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May 16, 2017, 12:09:16 PM
Lol the fee can be as big or small as you want. This is a non issue if you're sending money to someone who can wait a few days and you want to cheap out in the fee.

I actually agree on this, it is our choice on how much fee are we going to put on, actually it is by our choice if we are willing to wait or someone who will receive the coin, then it is okay just to give small fee but then patience is fully needed especially now that we have volume of transactions, but if not we can put high fee to receive coin instantly.
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May 16, 2017, 11:46:56 AM
Because we are looking at it with the price of USD not with bitcoin.
If you really think about it 50-100k satoshi is not even 1 percent of bitcoin.
How do they do it with WU and other money transfer? 10 percent or maybe 15?
It grew in value that is why we are looking that way. But back then 50k satoshi is just dust even now when you stop converting.
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May 16, 2017, 11:38:04 AM
According to me bitcoin have been a game changer for me as it is only source of income for me and i sell my bitcoins when it is necessary or otherwise it is totally stored in the wallet.
Bitcoin is useless not at all, as it does not involves bank at all or does it involves any politics.
newbie
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May 16, 2017, 11:29:15 AM
Let me ask another question.

What makes a currency useful?
newbie
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May 16, 2017, 11:19:48 AM
Just because transaction fees go up, you say bitcoin is useless? Cheesy
I myself have never thought about transaction fees in every transaction I make, while there is still a wallet that provides no fees in the withdrawal, take advantage of that. I think don't need to bother with transaction fees, and bitcoin very useful. Cheesy

Useful for what?
sr. member
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May 16, 2017, 09:43:26 AM
maybe people have forgotten what decentralization means! what it really means when you are in full control over your money without needing a fucking bank to tell you what to do with it, to block your money, take whatever they want from you, government put their hands in your pocket, ..

Agreed, and I support bitcoin decentralization, it will solve many issues for bitcoin and create a stable pathway, otherwise people will stop using it.
Bitcoin decentralization can not compare to other crypto but Bitcoin is the first leader in the cryptocurrency world. The more we use it the more understand about how the ccrypto work.
sr. member
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May 16, 2017, 09:10:35 AM
maybe people have forgotten what decentralization means! what it really means when you are in full control over your money without needing a fucking bank to tell you what to do with it, to block your money, take whatever they want from you, government put their hands in your pocket, ..

Agreed, and I support bitcoin decentralization, it will solve many issues for bitcoin and create a stable pathway, otherwise people will stop using it.
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May 16, 2017, 08:49:29 AM
If you are an active type of person which do actively make bitcoin transactions now and then you will surely feel the pain on making some transfers because fees will really hurt up your pocket but if you do make transfer on few times high tx fee wont hurt too much and shouldn't really be bother and saying bitcoin is useless.If you don't like to spend more fee then better not to make transaction at all.
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May 16, 2017, 08:46:07 AM
day by day transaction of bitcoin take a very long time. And that is very much felt in the present moment. Takes more than 1 hour.
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May 16, 2017, 08:22:19 AM
Oh my god... An asset with almost 30 billion dollars and you're asking whether or not it's useless.  Huh

Yeah, and still more so given that Bitcoin is nowhere near being worth 30 billion dollars (or even 20B dollars)

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I thought increase in transaction fees is directly proportional to increase in Bitcoin value or prices

False, for the n time.. there is no link between the tx fee and the price of bitcoin.
Bitcoin could reach 100k but if there are no transactions or under 200k /day you could still send payments with 1 satoshi per kb.(and get confirmed)

Also, even if the price drops back to 1000 but we experience 10x more transactions get ready for fees up to 3$ for input

You are false and that got confirmed

Since you yourself mentioned transaction fees in dollar terms, it is as clear as day that the size of transaction fees is in linear dependence over Bitcoin price (provided all other things remain the same). I guess this is what the poster you replied to meant, i.e. transaction fees in fiat terms, just like you said yourself. After all, it was your claim that Bitcoin is there only because of fiat and people are ultimately interested only in fiat, not in Bitcoin. It kinda looks you should stick to your guns, shouldn't you?

What a surprise ... 4 lines on text.
Deisik the four liner.

How about you stick to your English manual cause "stick to your guns" doesn't mean what you think it does.
And if anything it means the exact opposite in this situation.

Or are you really encouraging me?
Go away (please) take a break, 4liners are too much for you

I know perfectly well what the phrase means and when it is used (but you may want to finally find out)

It means that even if you are trying to troll (which is what you are doing here, the Witch will punish you), you should do that wisely. Otherwise, you'll be a ludicrous and despicable troll which doesn't know where his mouth is (think clown here). That means as well that you should remember what you had been saying at least yesterday if not before that, i.e. not to say things which are in direct "opposition" to what you claimed previously. In this case specifically, I remember how you were laying yourself out proving that people don't care about Bitcoin, that all they care for turns around fiat, and things like these. And now you defiantly forget all that you have been preaching for and against yourself. I hope this gets through somehow

Wow stop pushing yourself, you might enrage your sig overlord by writing 6 liners of nothing

Take this 5 line stats

July 2013       btc price  ~90    fee ~ 8 cents
January 2014 btc price   ~800  fee ~ 20 cents
July 2015      btc price   ~250  fee ~ 3 cents  wtf???  the fee is lower than when bitcoin was at 90$?  deisik is wrong again... holy shit...
January 2016  btc price  ~450  fee ~ 8 cents  what???
January 2017  btc price  ~800  fee ~ 40 cents  what again?

Let's see pussycat do you have the balls to reply in  less than 4 lines?
Or will your master send you to the vet?

hero member
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May 15, 2017, 06:08:16 PM
It not useless and not dieing at all its normal for the price to go up and down in many times but ee all since the bitcoin success in passing years and become the most successful cryptocurrency we cant expect it to die easily.
yes bitcoin s not useless, it is one of the most strongest currency of the the online world. most of the people are now using for online purposes. peple are now doing shopping using bitcoin. they use it for online shopping as well in some places they are also using bitcoin in local shops, in fact bitcoin is the money and it can be use as fiat currency without changing it in to local currency.
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May 15, 2017, 04:00:40 PM
Bitcoin is useless for those who are not aware about bitcoins or who don't know how to make money out of it in the best possible ways and people who are aware about bitcoins are making good and enough money from it on regular basis and will never find it useless.

And bitcoin is simply useless to those who sold it at lower price and they can't move on with that move they did. Bitcoin will never be worthless right now, come to think of it a crypto coin that has a value now of $1,700 and there's a bigger chance of it to fluctuate more. These people just want to spread FUD and want to scare people.
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May 15, 2017, 03:55:58 PM
It not useless and not dieing at all its normal for the price to go up and down in many times but ee all since the bitcoin success in passing years and become the most successful cryptocurrency we cant expect it to die easily.
to me in present time  i think bitcoin is one of the most popular currency of the world. and therefore i do not think that there is not a single reason to consider bitcoin as useless.  i think bitcoin is becoming more and more useful because still people are entering in the field of bitcoin and even investing their bitcoin here and therefore they are  making bitcoin most popular currency of the world.
You are right as for almost all of the people who have adopted bitcoin it is useful currency. They are praising this currency and for their needs they use only this currency. It is providing more convenience for trade, transactions and online shopping etc.
hero member
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May 15, 2017, 03:53:40 PM
It not useless and not dieing at all its normal for the price to go up and down in many times but ee all since the bitcoin success in passing years and become the most successful cryptocurrency we cant expect it to die easily.
to me in present time  i think bitcoin is one of the most popular currency of the world. and therefore i do not think that there is not a single reason to consider bitcoin as useless.  i think bitcoin is becoming more and more useful because still people are entering in the field of bitcoin and even investing their bitcoin here and therefore they are  making bitcoin most popular currency of the world.
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May 15, 2017, 01:20:00 PM
i don't remember getting the memo about bitcoin is supposed to be cheap, and it certainly has never been the main reason for using it.

maybe people have forgotten what decentralization means! what it really means when you are in full control over your money without needing a fucking bank to tell you what to do with it, to block your money, take whatever they want from you, government put their hands in your pocket, ...

we all know fees are high and we prefer it to be lower, we want to still be able to send transactions with lower fees. specially since miners don't deserve the extra income at this point with 12.5BTC reward per block. but that doesn't change anything about bitcoin's usefulness.
I do agreed,  that most people of the bitcoin community they forgot what decentralization what it really means,  we shouldn't forget that we are in full control of our own coin we hold. Therefore,  for me it doesn't matter if the fees for every transaction is high for what important is it confirm and sent to our wallet, and I don't think that it will be useless,of course not, it still will always be useful,

Yes its all about decentralization. "We" can change the fee structure if needed. It will take a lot more than high fees to make bitcoin irrelevant.
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May 15, 2017, 01:12:10 PM
i don't remember getting the memo about bitcoin is supposed to be cheap, and it certainly has never been the main reason for using it.

maybe people have forgotten what decentralization means! what it really means when you are in full control over your money without needing a fucking bank to tell you what to do with it, to block your money, take whatever they want from you, government put their hands in your pocket, ...

we all know fees are high and we prefer it to be lower, we want to still be able to send transactions with lower fees. specially since miners don't deserve the extra income at this point with 12.5BTC reward per block. but that doesn't change anything about bitcoin's usefulness.
I do agreed,  that most people of the bitcoin community they forgot what decentralization what it really means,  we shouldn't forget that we are in full control of our own coin we hold. Therefore,  for me it doesn't matter if the fees for every transaction is high for what important is it confirm and sent to our wallet, and I don't think that it will be useless,of course not, it still will always be useful,
sr. member
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May 15, 2017, 12:59:01 PM
Bitcoin is useless for those who are not aware about bitcoins or who don't know how to make money out of it in the best possible ways and people who are aware about bitcoins are making good and enough money from it on regular basis and will never find it useless.
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