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hero member
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July 09, 2016, 11:13:39 AM
#51
As the chart from 2014 shows the price at halving should be around $660.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/6tL3k5m.jimg]

Next halving the price should be $1630.

elwar, since when did you turn to posting pessimistic fud  Cheesy

ok, as a worst case scenario i let you have your point...

 Wink

You find 1630 to be pessimistic? Oo

Well, I'd me more than happy with such a price!
Let's firstly hope that post halving won't be a panic dump :/
legendary
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July 09, 2016, 10:52:25 AM
#50
As the chart from 2014 shows the price at halving should be around $660.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/6tL3k5m.jimg]

Next halving the price should be $1630.

elwar, since when did you turn to posting pessimistic fud  Cheesy

ok, as a worst case scenario i let you have your point...

 Wink

I certainly want it to rise faster, but keeping this chart in mind has helped me to hoard as many coins as possible at low prices.
legendary
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July 09, 2016, 10:26:25 AM
#49
As the chart from 2014 shows the price at halving should be around $660.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/6tL3k5m.jimg]

Next halving the price should be $1630.

elwar, since when did you turn to posting pessimistic fud  Cheesy

ok, as a worst case scenario i let you have your point...

 Wink
legendary
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July 09, 2016, 08:51:00 AM
#48
As the chart from 2014 shows the price at halving should be around $660.



Next halving the price should be $1630.
legendary
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December 16, 2015, 06:30:46 PM
#47
There is no long term linear trend.
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December 16, 2015, 09:54:54 AM
#46
Nice work Elwar, i just read this whole thread... interesting points.. and it's looking more and more like you're hunch is right...

IF we close out the year around $525 - i will have to send you a beer (in bitcoin of course!)
legendary
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December 16, 2015, 08:48:09 AM
#45
Updated the chart.

Looks like we're returning to the linear price. I look forward to the angle moving after the next halving.
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January 14, 2015, 01:29:40 AM
#44
Updated the chart.

Looks like we were close to the linear price (between halvings) until the BitStamp crash.

I am confident it will return eventually.

I sure hope but not his year, maybe return to 350$ but that is max till next year I personally think that this wont be happening.
legendary
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January 09, 2015, 04:35:29 AM
#43
Updated the chart.

Looks like we were close to the linear price (between halvings) until the BitStamp crash.

I am confident it will return eventually.
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January 03, 2015, 03:39:10 PM
#42
The linear price should be around $350. Buy now while we are below the trend line.

It is not like you can just wait for it to come back down if it jumps up. If you bought at the trend line at $125 in October of 2013 you would have had to wait a year for it to return to normal with the price over $300.

It may hover below the trend line for a while too, but it will go back up. It's not like development of new Bitcoin companies and solutions is going to stop.
legendary
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November 05, 2014, 04:09:47 PM
#41
the long downtrend comes from mining being centralised and thus dumping harder and thus becoming more centralised.

Miners holding the coin they mine is a thing of the past. Bitcoin is a cashcow for everybody to milk. People buying bitcoin miss the point.

The exact opposite happens when we are in a bull market, human nature.
hero member
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November 05, 2014, 08:09:18 AM
#40
Somit takes  about 5 years to get back to $1,000.  Roll Eyes

this is a non-sense. BTC have always changed is price more quickly!
o_o
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November 04, 2014, 01:03:55 PM
#39
I see bitcoin like a function strictly increasing, however, don't worry if price decrease in some time and then increase in other time, in long term price will rise.
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November 04, 2014, 12:22:04 PM
#38
the long downtrend comes from mining being centralised and thus dumping harder and thus becoming more centralised.

Miners holding the coin they mine is a thing of the past. Bitcoin is a cashcow for everybody to milk. People buying bitcoin miss the point.

The old longterm-charts say nothing because in the old days most what was mined was held. These days market has to eat all the new coins on a daily basis. I have no hope this can go over 500$ before the next halving.

Bitcoin looks like a scam these days. Altcoins are also full of scams. This whole crypto-thing died from greed. Most people have left already. Bitcoin is not the future, it is insignificant. People will not want to use it.
In economic troubled times we are better off to resort to gold and silver than using bitcoin. Just deal with it: the way it is right now it has no future.
legendary
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November 04, 2014, 10:58:54 AM
#37
You have described an exponential function..

Yes, though most people would consider 4 years as long term when it comes to Bitcoin.
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November 04, 2014, 10:46:06 AM
#36
There is usually a lot of speculation that the bitcoin price is exponential. While there are some instances of exponential price rise when there is a self fulfilling feedback loop of excitement over a price rise which brought us the $32, $266 and $1240 prices. If we step back and look over the long term you can see a linear price rise.



I split it in two to show before and after the price halving (and to go from MtGox to BitStamp).



This would indicate that the true price should be around $310 or so right now which would explain the long downtrend.


But there are a few positives from a linear price rise. It is less volatile, it makes sense for a currency and it continues to trend up.

There is also a slight upward rise in the rate of price increase at the halving, which would indicate that in 2016 the rate will tick up a little more at the next halving.

The current price is where the linear price will be in December. If we go down a bit before then, it will probably follow close to the trend.

While an exponential rise is exciting and great if you get out at the top, a linear price rise is good in the long term.

The formula would be close to this:
P = 13.5t + 12
where t = months since November 2012

Before the halving the rate was closer to:
P = .5t + 1
t being months from February 2010

With the formula after the next halving:
P = 20.25t + 660
t being months from November 2016

You have described an exponential function..
legendary
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November 04, 2014, 10:30:36 AM
#35
I didn't read this thread when the OP first posted it, after all it was to-da-moon Elwar, so what could a bear like me find in it?
But now I read it and I think it makes sense to describe the base bitcoin (efficient market) price with a more-or-less linear function.
The speculative bubbles are on top of that and since they take a significant time to deflate, the linear base trend is difficult to spot.
legendary
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November 04, 2014, 10:17:23 AM
#34
Though its quite interesting, but I don't think any formula can predict the actual price, especially in the long run.

Yep, especially not a linear one. Anyone can fit a linear function to a chart. It's still meaningless.
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November 04, 2014, 10:16:51 AM
#33
So I triple my money in 4 years? Could you spoon feed those of us who don't know how to use the formula and make a little chart with every month starting now (November 2014), until December 2019 or December 2020? Smiley

Thanks.
legendary
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November 04, 2014, 09:13:01 AM
#32
Mr. Elwar, what's your chart and formula say for every month in 2015? Like, the average?

P = 13.5t + 12

t = months from November 2012

so...
2015 start: $363
2015 end:  $525

So the average: $444

Though I fully expect that when the ETF opens up the price will jump...but I believe over the long term, barring an economic disaster, the price will gravitate toward the linear price whether above or below.

This is still low wont halving increase price.
With this there is almost no profit.

Maybe im wrong but with this formula i figure it out like that.


Yes, the formula changes each time due to the halving (which was pointed out that over the long term that means an exponential trend).

If you take the change from the first halving and apply the difference to the second then starting after the next halving it will be:
P = 20.25t
So, assuming $660 in August, 2016...by August 2017 the price will be over $900. This would put us over $1000/BTC by January 2018.
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