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Topic: Bitcoin - Losing faith...heres why... (Read 4907 times)

legendary
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September 05, 2014, 11:05:29 AM
#72
If the chart is right we will see a value of about 10000$ as a peak of the next bubble, the history repeats but sooner or later it stops...

If this really happen, I think Bitcoin will become very popular like investment and will attract much more people.
In this case nobody will really care if some big merchants will accept Bitcoin or not, everybody will invest in hope to earn some good profit and this will help growth of Bitcoin, at least for some time.

member
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September 05, 2014, 10:54:47 AM
#71
You are somewhat wrong..but you are also right in saying bitcoin won't be able to replace fiat!
sr. member
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September 05, 2014, 10:50:34 AM
#70
If the chart is right we will see a value of about 10000$ as a peak of the next bubble, the history repeats but sooner or later it stops...
X7
legendary
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September 05, 2014, 10:47:00 AM
#69
legendary
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September 05, 2014, 04:55:39 AM
#68
Yes, there is a super-elite rich at the moment, but not at the scale we are talking about if bitcoin were to be adopted.
You sure about that?

What's wrong with inequality? Rothbard will help you: https://mises.org/books/egalitarianism.pdf
hero member
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‘Try to be nice’
September 04, 2014, 07:49:01 AM
#67
Every time after a bubble people is in panic but if you wait some months you will see that another rise will come.
That is correct.



holy shit !

this will be HUGE !
hero member
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September 04, 2014, 07:46:58 AM
#66
I cannot see the whole world using bitcoin when its going to create such wealth disparity.

There are roughly 13 million coins in circulation, with the maximum amount being 21 million. This means over 50% of all coins in being, are in control of a small minority consisting of maybe 0.01% of the worlds population.

Yes, there is a super-elite rich at the moment, but not at the scale we are talking about if bitcoin were to be adopted.

Is it not more sensible to think that yes, a cryptocurrency will exist, but not bitcoin? A coin where you are automatically assigned a certain amount based on your wealth at the moment, in relation to others?

I find it absurd that someone, i.e the Winklevosses could own 1% of the worlds monetary power. Noone, absolutely noone in their right mind, will allow someone to hold this amount insane amount of resources.

I understand, the concept and even bitcoin itself is revolutionary, it has woken us up to what could be, but the origination and adoption of bitcoin was messy and only open to people who (rightly so) had knowledge and guts. But just because someone has guys it doesn't mean they are deserving of something.

99.99% of the worlds population controlling 50% of the worlds monetary value and therefore resources, when early adoptors, i.e the 0.01% own the other 50%. 1 person in the 'bitcoin elite' would have the same monetary power as 10,000 people. That's disgusting and human morality itself will not allow for this to happen.

Don't get me wrong cryptocurrency is the future, just not one causing a dictatorship to be born.

And for the short term I see no reason to invest either....


Swiping cards is just about the simplest thing you can do, most transactions under $50 don't require a signature, and security codes and card expiry are incredibly small concerns.

Bitcoin's headaches are immense, slow txn processing, irreversible for the consumer, funds are lost if wallet is compromises...now follow me for a sec...

Merchants can't replace credit with bitcoin. Simply can't. Credit is money you don't have and bitcoin is money you do have. A good credit card offers rewards, 100% fraud protection, ubiquitous acceptance, FICO score benefits, and an entity between you and your money. Tons of consumer value.

Now debit - debit fees were sliced by the Durbin amendment, so suddenly they aren't all that much more than the 1% exchange price of bitcoin.

While debit and bitcoin are comparable in that they are money you have, there is still no compelling reason for your average consumer to pay a fee to obtain bitcoin just to make an everyday purchase.

Merchants can want to eliminate transaction fees all they want but until there is clear value for the most important point in the value chain, the consumer, mass adoption will not occur. Even worse, to fix bitcoin's shortcomings, you need to regulate it, guarantee it, set up escrow's, exchange btc for USD...all the things that will make it just like the mainstream banks bitcoin is seeking to circumvent.

Even if these are fixed, its too late, people will realise the wealth disparity caused.

A new world cryptocurrency will be replace it, where the wealth disparity stays the same, where it is today... but with all the benefits that crypto has to offer so the world doesnt collapse?

Comments?





here is an example

if we had a central authority we could turn off transactions from people like this.
member
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September 03, 2014, 02:10:48 PM
#65
Currently the market sees bitcoin monopoly. If it started equally with other cryptos then it would be worth $10/coin..

I like your post..and agree.
hero member
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https://youtu.be/PZm8TTLR2NU
September 03, 2014, 08:38:57 AM
#64
Every time after a bubble people is in panic but if you wait some months you will see that another rise will come.
That is correct.

member
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September 03, 2014, 08:24:31 AM
#63
Every time after a bubble people is in panic but if you wait some months you will see that another rise will come.
hero member
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https://youtu.be/PZm8TTLR2NU
September 03, 2014, 08:16:49 AM
#62
Yes, there is a super-elite rich at the moment, but not at the scale we are talking about if bitcoin were to be adopted.
You sure about that?
hero member
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September 03, 2014, 07:54:10 AM
#61
I guess this backs up the notion on why some people in the industry want to start using Bits. A lot of new people to Bitcoin do not realize that it is divisible and the price barrier hinders adoption for some. People will always feel gloomy about the BTC price at some point but you need to imagine how gloomy people were after the first major bubble in 2011. A lot of people thought they missed the boat but those people who held are far more happier now. I personally think BTC will continue the same pattern for years to come. And if you are too worried about BTC adoption, you can always diversify into altcoins Wink
legendary
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September 03, 2014, 07:50:40 AM
#60
Bitcoin starts becoming a currency, not an investment. Which is actually good.
Although I don't like it, most (if not all) altcoins are traded (between them or to/from fiat) through... bitcoin. And some altcoins seem to have a very bright future.


Both of these can get to the conclusion that Bitcoin is far from dead. I can even say that although its price is not great, the coin is actually doing good.
hero member
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September 03, 2014, 07:43:01 AM
#59
the problem is that you came to a bitcoin forum to talk about how bitcoin is probably not going to be widely used.

mostly everyone here has low levels of critical thinking and is all like "bitcoin is gonna go moon and i make profit derppp"

honestly i dont even know why i continue to post here and read things, you are mostly right and yes bitcoin will obviously not be used by everyone. it might be .001% use bitcoin or it might be 1% use it who knows. the certain thing is that it can be bought out like anything else, exchanges can be bought out, mining can be bought out etc...

the trustless part is the protocol, but you have to trust the miners/exchanges/services that use btc and all that(unless you escrow which almost every normal person will say is a fucking stupid way to spend your time).

sr. member
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September 03, 2014, 07:00:56 AM
#58
Bitcoins act as seed capital, Bitcoins fuel and propel all the other crypto 2.0 technologies, decentralized companies, etc. It makes no sense sitting on Bitcoins. Bitcoins can potentially give you 1-10x returns over the next 5 years, keeping with inflation or not. But crypto 2.0 technologies and decentralized companies stock can potentially give you 10-1000x returns over the same period.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-has-reached-the-tipping-point-766406
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8649839
member
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September 03, 2014, 06:49:08 AM
#57
if you are losing your faith - stay away from our community. We need only those who are full of enegry and have a strongest will
Don't you think what you said is totally bullshit?
I'd like to hear different voice from the community.
newbie
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September 03, 2014, 06:16:41 AM
#56
Well if you are here to become rich thru bitcoin then do not be here. Well for me, Bitcoin is here to stay but its too risky to invest your own money for it.
legendary
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September 03, 2014, 04:30:01 AM
#55
I can never understand why so many people lose faith in things so easily. Bitcoin has been around for what now....5 years? In those 5 years we have seen bitcoin rise and become more popular and even some companies are now accepting it, to me that is a huge step and shows me that bitcoin still has a way to go yet. It's far too early to be losing faith I feel.

I agree. Why should we lose faith? Bitcoin is still vastly superior to fiat alternatives. It seems obvious to me that crypto currencies will be widely used in the future. It's just a matter of time that more and more companies accept them and encourage people to use them, by for example giving discounts over other methods like Paypal and credit cards.
member
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September 02, 2014, 12:14:09 PM
#54
The wealth disparity is happening NOW. 1% own shit ton of power, most people are legit POOR. BTC gives us a second chance.
sr. member
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September 02, 2014, 10:09:51 AM
#53
I can never understand why so many people lose faith in things so easily. Bitcoin has been around for what now....5 years? In those 5 years we have seen bitcoin rise and become more popular and even some companies are now accepting it, to me that is a huge step and shows me that bitcoin still has a way to go yet. It's far too early to be losing faith I feel.
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