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Quote from: BlackFor3st on January 07, 2020, 04:13:59 AM

Once the demand will grow the big whales will have difficulty in manipulating the market especially the bitcoin price. And now that there are more and more who have notice and invest in bitcoin then time will surely come that they will not be able to manipulate the price anymore.

But right now, we should just follow how the market works as we don't have the power yet to stop them in manipulating the market. This is our only way to make a profit in this type of environment.

why say so ? whales are rich .i dont think that they will have a hard time controlling the market even if the demand of it is growing but whales can ask for help on other whales so that they can be more powerful . being manipulated or not , you are correct . we must only go with the flow . hodl when market is dumping or buying can also be a good idea to do . while selling should be done when they manipulate in opposing direction . just dont think of countering the whales because you will only be failed .

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Quote from: alexey14 on January 03, 2020, 04:14:41 PM

Bitcoin price is determined by the few whales who happened to hold since the early days. If they want they can pump BTC to 1M $ and if they want they can dump BTC to 100$.
Doesnt matter who you are, A BTC holder or a daily trader, whales control BTC price.
What I mean by whale? The person who have more than million Bitcoin.
Bitcoin technology is great but Market is compeletly different story.

Once the demand will grow the big whales will have difficulty in manipulating the market especially the bitcoin price. And now that there are more and more who have notice and invest in bitcoin then time will surely come that they will not be able to manipulate the price anymore.

But right now, we should just follow how the market works as we don't have the power yet to stop them in manipulating the market. This is our only way to make a profit in this type of environment.

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Quote from: yulionoo on January 07, 2020, 03:40:25 AM

bitcoin prices can indeed be manipulated but that does not mean the price of bitcoin is fully controlled by the whales. for example there are whales that sell bitcoin in large quantities then the price of bitcoin will go down and this will be an opportunity for some other investors to buy bitcoin. and this will make the price of bitcoin increase again. bitcoin prices are completely influenced by demand and supply.

in the market there will always be price manipulation, but it cannot be manipulated every day. so at a certain time the market can be manipulated, especially when there is bad news from the media, then they can manipulate the price. but it is true that they do not manipulate each time, because pure movements in market prices must be opposed to whales who manipulate.

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bitcoin prices can indeed be manipulated but that does not mean the price of bitcoin is fully controlled by the whales. for example there are whales that sell bitcoin in large quantities then the price of bitcoin will go down and this will be an opportunity for some other investors to buy bitcoin. and this will make the price of bitcoin increase again. bitcoin prices are completely influenced by demand and supply.

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Quote from: DevilSlayer on January 06, 2020, 02:36:42 AM

In every type of market there are powerful persons and organization that can manipulate the price. In stock market there are jockeys who have power to pump and dump a specific stocks while in cryptocurrency market, there are whales who have huge amount of bitcoin that can easily influence its movement. Manipulation is everywhere we cannot do about it and for me it is now normal.

I can't get the reason still many people are against the manipulation though they don't have really nothing to do about it to stop it. In my opinion, with these cases in cryptocurrency community, what is better to do is to comply and accept the fact the profits goes to those who have more control, and if we have less control over the market, we'll be good if we try to be in the stream with whales, follow their movements and get the profits. These manipulation is a just a mere fact that cryptocurrency is profitable.

Because some people took advantage of manipulating the market and make money out of it. That's not fair for those who are not knowledgeable on how the market moves or works. Market manipulation is a bad thing if the person manipulates it doesn't do it in a right way. The one who manipulates it have has the power to control and manage how money moves in the market and maybe they seize their opportunity to took advantage and get more money.

People make manipulating price for bitcoin by giving bad news and impact for investor panic for selling and bitcoin price, for manipulated by their self is impossible because bitcoin only have limited supply about 21 billion and hard can buy bitcoin all, they try to give bad news or bitcoin to make many people want to sell coin with lower price.

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Quote from: alexey14 on January 03, 2020, 04:14:41 PM

Bitcoin price is determined by the few whales who happened to hold since the early days. If they want they can pump BTC to 1M $ and if they want they can dump BTC to 100$.
Doesnt matter who you are, A BTC holder or a daily trader, whales control BTC price.
What I mean by whale? The person who have more than million Bitcoin.
Bitcoin technology is great but Market is compeletly different story.

Why haven't they done it until now ??
The price of BTC is $ 1m, if they could why until now the price is still around $ 7k ??
For the altcoin market I might believe, but not for bitcoin.
Which is a large market capacity in the crypto industry.

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Quote from: Wintersoldier on January 06, 2020, 03:53:55 AM

Quote from: DevilSlayer on January 06, 2020, 02:36:42 AM

In every type of market there are powerful persons and organization that can manipulate the price. In stock market there are jockeys who have power to pump and dump a specific stocks while in cryptocurrency market, there are whales who have huge amount of bitcoin that can easily influence its movement. Manipulation is everywhere we cannot do about it and for me it is now normal.

I can't get the reason still many people are against the manipulation though they don't have really nothing to do about it to stop it. In my opinion, with these cases in cryptocurrency community, what is better to do is to comply and accept the fact the profits goes to those who have more control, and if we have less control over the market, we'll be good if we try to be in the stream with whales, follow their movements and get the profits. These manipulation is a just a mere fact that cryptocurrency is profitable.

Because some people took advantage of manipulating the market and make money out of it. That's not fair for those who are not knowledgeable on how the market moves or works. Market manipulation is a bad thing if the person manipulates it doesn't do it in a right way. The one who manipulates it have has the power to control and manage how money moves in the market and maybe they seize their opportunity to took advantage and get more money.

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Quote from: bitcoindusts on January 06, 2020, 08:19:12 AM

Quote from: betty11 on January 06, 2020, 04:48:24 AM

No doubt the price of bitcoin is been manipulated by few rich whales, but they just can't pump the price to $1M neither will they be able to dump the price to $100. This will have to determined by the community and other heavy traders. Well the manipulation can be healthy if one knows how to trade the market with the whales.

I think whales don't have to spend that huge amount to manipulate Bitcoin prices. All they have to do is ride some bad news and FUD the market. Then make their huge stash of Bitcoin to be on the sell wall and sell some of it to make it look that the market is crashing. Once the prices is down they then tend to buy at the bottom and ride the good news again to put hype on the market. Then rinse and repeat. They gain extra cash and extra BTC along the process thus making them bigger whale.

they do it with the flow of trends that occur at the same time, whales cannot make fud without context which is bound by the active fundamentals of real news. They also continue to try to protect their bitcoin income land. If done too often and transparently the market will read quickly, the most important thing is that their manipulation is still within the limits of active consolidation in the short term.

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Quote from: Wintersoldier on January 06, 2020, 03:53:55 AM

Quote from: DevilSlayer on January 06, 2020, 02:36:42 AM

In every type of market there are powerful persons and organization that can manipulate the price. In stock market there are jockeys who have power to pump and dump a specific stocks while in cryptocurrency market, there are whales who have huge amount of bitcoin that can easily influence its movement. Manipulation is everywhere we cannot do about it and for me it is now normal.

I can't get the reason still many people are against the manipulation though they don't have really nothing to do about it to stop it. In my opinion, with these cases in cryptocurrency community, what is better to do is to comply and accept the fact the profits goes to those who have more control, and if we have less control over the market, we'll be good if we try to be in the stream with whales, follow their movements and get the profits. These manipulation is a just a mere fact that cryptocurrency is profitable.

Indeed, instead of putting the blame to the whales, we should align our investment strategies and trading manners with how the market flows as this changes are what makes bitcoin profitable, after all it's nit like they can drastically manipulate bitcoin's amount. They definitely could but not to an extreme extent. We should do our best to thrive in this environment and think of the rollbacks as opportunities to invest more

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No, not at all this is your lack of understanding no one can manipulate the market. Especially Crypto markets.

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Quote from: betty11 on January 06, 2020, 04:48:24 AM

No doubt the price of bitcoin is been manipulated by few rich whales, but they just can't pump the price to $1M neither will they be able to dump the price to $100. This will have to determined by the community and other heavy traders. Well the manipulation can be healthy if one knows how to trade the market with the whales.

I think whales don't have to spend that huge amount to manipulate Bitcoin prices. All they have to do is ride some bad news and FUD the market. Then make their huge stash of Bitcoin to be on the sell wall and sell some of it to make it look that the market is crashing. Once the prices is down they then tend to buy at the bottom and ride the good news again to put hype on the market. Then rinse and repeat. They gain extra cash and extra BTC along the process thus making them bigger whale.

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No doubt the price of bitcoin is been manipulated by few rich whales, but they just can't pump the price to $1M neither will they be able to dump the price to $100. This will have to determined by the community and other heavy traders. Well the manipulation can be healthy if one knows how to trade the market with the whales.

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Quote from: DevilSlayer on January 06, 2020, 02:36:42 AM

In every type of market there are powerful persons and organization that can manipulate the price. In stock market there are jockeys who have power to pump and dump a specific stocks while in cryptocurrency market, there are whales who have huge amount of bitcoin that can easily influence its movement. Manipulation is everywhere we cannot do about it and for me it is now normal.

I can't get the reason still many people are against the manipulation though they don't have really nothing to do about it to stop it. In my opinion, with these cases in cryptocurrency community, what is better to do is to comply and accept the fact the profits goes to those who have more control, and if we have less control over the market, we'll be good if we try to be in the stream with whales, follow their movements and get the profits. These manipulation is a just a mere fact that cryptocurrency is profitable.

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Quote from: alexey14 on January 03, 2020, 04:14:41 PM

Bitcoin price is determined by the few whales who happened to hold since the early days. If they want they can pump BTC to 1M $ and if they want they can dump BTC to 100$.
Doesnt matter who you are, A BTC holder or a daily trader, whales control BTC price.
What I mean by whale? The person who have more than million Bitcoin.
Bitcoin technology is great but Market is compeletly different story.

I think in all types of assets, large holders of individuals or their institutions can manipulate prices, especially in the cryptocurrency or bitcoin market which is completely unregulated and there is no regulatory authority so it is natural that there are often signs of manipulating the market.
so I believe that whales play a role in influencing the market and if one of them sells some or all of them, then the price of bitcoin will vibrate or weaken.

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In every type of market there are powerful persons and organization that can manipulate the price. In stock market there are jockeys who have power to pump and dump a specific stocks while in cryptocurrency market, there are whales who have huge amount of bitcoin that can easily influence its movement. Manipulation is everywhere we cannot do about it and for me it is now normal.

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No one can find the reality if the Bitcoin is manipulated or not as it is decentralized and we're controlled depending on the users. It is too impossible that an organization or a person can manipulate the Bitcoin, as it grew so vast and the community went huge. There may be rich holders, but those wouldnt mean they can manipulate it.

It's been long news already that bitcoin is manipulates, there is chance that it is when we know there are whales that really do focus on gaining more and more in crypto with the way they also do to have connections to some news portal to influence other thru hype. What we need is to be smart enough to decide on our own investment.

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Quote from: alexey14 on January 03, 2020, 04:14:41 PM

Bitcoin price is determined by the few whales who happened to hold since the early days. If they want they can pump BTC to 1M $ and if they want they can dump BTC to 100$.
Doesnt matter who you are, A BTC holder or a daily trader, whales control BTC price.
What I mean by whale? The person who have more than million Bitcoin.
Bitcoin technology is great but Market is compeletly different story.

As they say that we can't control the market but we can if we are rich or what should I say part of whales, who are controlling the market price. and you said it right @alexey14 that market movements is a whole different and being manipulated but in this manipulation, wise trader also have the benefit because they can earn profit if they are working hard to know what will be the next move even it is not predictable. in this situation we should know the whole story and learn the movements.

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No one can find the reality if the Bitcoin is manipulated or not as it is decentralized and we're controlled depending on the users. It is too impossible that an organization or a person can manipulate the Bitcoin, as it grew so vast and the community went huge. There may be rich holders, but those wouldnt mean they can manipulate it.

Seriously, decentralized in nature doesnt prevent bitcoin market from price manipulation just like others business setting and if you follow whale alerts transaction will see that whenever a single or many whales dump thousands of bitcoin it drastically affect the price of bitcoin market.
I guess you new here because even crypto newbies believe the price to be manipulated.

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Quote from: Youghoor on January 04, 2020, 09:37:14 AM

Definitely the market of bitcoin is manipulated by people with enough bitcoin. The entire network of bitcoin is decentralized and anyone can influence the market if the person owns enough bitcoin. It is very difficult to see someone buying 1 bitcoin on an instant. This means if you have 100bitcoins, you can easily determine the market value of bitcoin on a particular exchange platform for weeks.

It really isn't hard at all. The wonders of a public blockchain will show you that every 10 minutes or so (every block, rather), there's a transaction of 1 or more BTC for sure.

I'm not saying a lot of us do it a lot of the time, but it's easy enough to find if you look for it.

But 100 BTC? You can't do shit with the market on 1 platform for 1 hour, never mind weeks! Have you taken a look recently at daily volumes on a liquid platform?

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I'm sure you posted this due to the recent pump which went nearly 2 hundred up yesterday, which is a clear sign of manipulating just looking how long that line is, suggesting that a whale must have entered the market and flooded the purchase orders. Then it's only going sideways for at least 10 hours now with no signs of increasing demand, maybe taking a recent dump because it was considered a degree of resistance, then another potential whale pump. This market is definitely manipulated

market manipulation can still be done if they have a lot of capital and also support price movements, maybe it can happen easily when the time is right and also has a lot of capital. if we follow then we must know the time to start and also the time to stop and accuracy is also needed, but if we do not want to take risks it is better to stay away from the market at such times.

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