Topic: Bitcoin Market Is Manipulated - page 5. (Read 1325 times)

I agree with you that the price of bitcoin has been manipulated by the holder of the pope bitcoin most they can do whatever they want them to control the price of bitcoin on the market and make the market does not normally even price can be directly dropped dramatically and drastically increases have already occurred where BTC in years 2017 BTC soared and plummeted in the years 2018–2019.

but I think to manipulate the market will not be easy, especially if they manipulate on a large scale. if manipulation of the market on a small scale maybe they can still do that, and I think it will definitely not be easy because competition will continue to occur and large funders are not just one person. surely they have different ways to look for profit in the market.

That's right, freedom is one of the right reasons for those who want to have crypto especially bitcoin and without limits.
they control prices in different ways and those who have large quantities of crypto or bitcoin have a big role in the market situation.

this is the crypto market, who owns most of the crypto (including bitcoin), they control it. crypto decentralized system makes freedom to hold unlimited assets. so the market also has freedom in controlling prices. the technology that bitcoin brings is good, but the crypto market has its own story.

I don't think so lol. Even for a whales, it will not be able to make the price of Bitcoin to that number. Someone needs at least trillions of dollars to make BTC prices go up to 1 million dollars lol. Plus, BTC is not a coin made for pump and dump.

It's an open market and the competition is really open to everyone specially to those people who have a lot of money. They can manipulate the market if they want to because it has no limit to everyone. Whales are not exempted with the manipulation everyone can manipulate as long as they have the right amount to get in the competition.

I agree. We can say that the market begins to synergize between large and small players, creating a single mechanism in which the price depends on each participant. In such a run, only inexperienced and stressful traders lose

Their manipulation is limited, much more than you think. Try to think, what would happen if one wanted to sell 1M BTC?

First, its not possible to do in a single operation, every tiny little operation will affect the price.

So as the sell order is placed, people would start buying pieces of it lowering the price, the other sellers in the market will adjust so the whale would need to as well, again and again and again until the whole 1M gets sold. This is not instantaneous. Even if he started selling at 7k, who knows what price it would reach on average at the end.

You think he can just buy back again? The same process repeats in reverse, you will probably end losing more than having done nothing.

Market manipulation is not as magical as some people seem to think. And yes, whales have tried, and failed.

Dump to 100$ is nearly impossible at this point it would take too long and the rush to buy back those coins would simply not allow it to reach that low. Again, you cannot just sell 1M BTC in a single operation, ignoring the legal formalities.

The free market is incredibly reliable, far better than any sort of State intervention. Pump and dump is something a whale may pull out with a little new altcoin, perhaps even in the very beginning of bitcoin, but not anymore.

Suppose all Satoshi coins are put for sale, that would still not be enough to "crash" Bitcoin, it simply doesn't work that way. The cheaper it gets, the higher the pressure to buy.

Market manipulation exists, but its much more limited than you think, thanks to this thing called "peers" (everyone else) it does self regulate itself. Especially when its something highly wanted, unlike some obscure altcoin.

Pump Bitcoin to 1M? There is just not enough money in the world for that. If you do your homework, you will notice that each "pump" and "dump" cycle is less and less % of Bitcoin's price over time, as the coin gets in the hands of more people, their manipulation ability shrinks. Of all the coins out there, bitcoin is the less manipulable, which in turns makes it more trusted. Maturity they call it.

The problem with some theorists is that everything works by magic inside their minds. Such as a perfect State controlled economy devoid of the "Evil" market forces. Until you try it, that is... And their arguments against the free market are just as absurd. If you are afraid of the free market, go ahead and move into one of the last "socialist" countries, see if you like living with a couple of USD per month, no healthcare, no education, no security, rampant corruption, shortages etc...

The freedom of bitcoin price ensures that, whatever price it has at any given point, it is a "true" price. Peg a coin artificially to any arbitrary price, and all you do is build pressure against a dam waiting to overflow... And once it does (and it will) it will take everything on its path...

The only alternative to freedom is even more freedom. More exchanges, more decentralization, etc. Speculate all you want, doesn't mean you can pull it out outside of your mind. But the fact that you can, is what ensures everything works. The moment the State intervenes, everything starts breaking apart. Luckily, bitcoin is immune to state intervention, which also gives you the freedom to, go ahead and try manipulating the market, see how long you can get.

I am absolutely sure, even if all whales tried selling bitcoin right now, it would still not crash it. A bit of fluctuation and a lot of action, yes, but never destruction as you claim it. Bitcoin is simply too useful for too many to fail like that, its only inside your imagination.

When they manipulated it on lowest price then it will be sure that some veteran for crypto consuming and manipulating it so they can also be the part of top holders. Then the bitcoin would be pump by the price. That's why it would never be shit coin when there are demand from this world.

They could manipulate bitcoin but they'll do it on process because they can also lose bitcoin when they do wrong.

I think so, where the market is currently too much manipulation that confuses small traders/investors. Just look at the chart!
The current market is very different if it has been controlled by one party because there are too many games. and not a few investors/traders also decided to retire from the crypto world because they feel mentally tired of facing this manipulation.

Definitely the market of bitcoin is manipulated by people with enough bitcoin. The entire network of bitcoin is decentralized and anyone can influence the market if the person owns enough bitcoin. It is very difficult to see someone buying 1 bitcoin on an instant. This means if you have 100bitcoins, you can easily determine the market value of bitcoin on a particular exchange platform for weeks.

I totally agree with you. That is a simple explanation of how the market works with whales. Whales really have an impact when they decided to make a movement on the market. Since there are whales who control the market, we will experience sudden crash and bullrun.

You may be exaggerating the abilities of a whale, they can indeed pump the price up to a few hundreds or thousands of dollars but not to the extent that it will reach said heights. Besides, it's not like the only factor a whale considers is the amount of bitcoin he/she has in disposal, we have taxes and bunch of other things that affect the price of bitcoin itself. In all honesty we still hold an equal maybe even greater power than the so-called whales, if we pull-out our investments they'll go broke. Easy.

I agree,  first of all no one can manipulate the value of bitcoin.  If anyone can Then I think bitcoin will be useless because people will lose interest on it since anyone can play the value of it.   Yes we have big investor but that doesnt mean they can also manipulate bitcoin because even the riches people dont have the power to do it. 

It is undeniable that this is very commonly known by traders and users, a decentralized cryptocurrency market where prices are determined by demand from the largest holders (whales). That is why an issue like this is the subject of discussion if there is a fast pump or large value changes. But what's interesting in the crypto market is its fluctuation, I admit the attraction of crypto fluctuations.

Re: Bitcoin Market Is Manipulated


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Whale really keep discussed in this forum. I think it is ok if price manipulated as long they are not make bitcoin price bad for people. I mean about people lose or profit in trading is a common thing. And as long bitcoin not lose it's value and reach 0, i think whales is free to do what they do.

Well, what I believe is if one is even a small trader but is rigid to their own terms like I have seen traders trading smaller amount of funds but they are rigid on what they would sell at instead of giving up when coins are getting dumped which the majority of smaller traders actually do because they panic and sell and big whales take advantage of that so collectively small traders if become a group and one and resist big dumps, then surely the manipulation can be lessened to a lot.

Agree that's why we should be aware and keep updated with all the things that is happening in the crypto world, and learn to study the market and how the whales are manipulating the market, because you can really tract it like others are doing especially if you are holding a lot of Bitcoin and you are aiming for only short term.

All markets are manipulated. People should have learned this from the fallout of the LIBOR scandal. The gold and silver markets are likewise manipulated. The central banks are continually manipulating the value of fiat currencies. The argument that a market is manipulated to disparage it is a sign of naivete.