Topic: Bitcoin Mixer - How to Secure your Identity ! - page 2. (Read 2018 times)

Quote from: Senor.Bla on July 30, 2016, 07:55:28 AM

I think bitcoin is more often used for digital goods and I had several occasions where I was asked to provide a full address for those (e.g. gift cards). One time they even wanted to verify my (obviously fake) address. I asked for a refund in bitcoin and somehow a verification was no longer needed

It seems the verification request was to protect themselves if the gift card is stollen. But then it doesnt make much sence as you cant return digital goods and the cost to sue you for a theft is not worth it. Plus it is easier to stole it from torrent sites than use stolen gift card. So I see no reason why they requested verification, maybe its just their routine.

To stay anonymous with Bitcoin requires a lot of thinking when to use the mixer. But it is better than using one wallet for many years, as then everybody can check your habbits in the last few years with a bit of effort. No effort required if you just use one address - crazy people and services using one Bitcoin address only.

shorena

copper member

Activity: 1498

Merit: 1528

No I dont escrow anymore.

Quote from: shorena on July 30, 2016, 07:40:52 AM

Quote from: Senor.Bla on July 30, 2016, 07:37:23 AM

Quote from: shorena on July 30, 2016, 07:40:52 AM

Mixers have their place and serve their purpose, but bitcoin was never designed to be anonymous. You can put your money to services that do not require your information or only minimal. When you buy milk in the store, do they ask for your address? Would you buy milk at a store that does? So why is it ok to give out your address when buying digital goods?

I think providing the address that is mentioned in the article is for delivery purposes. If you buy purely digital goods I don't see any reason the provide your physical address. But when you buy physical goods online using bitcoin, the goods somehow need to arrive at your home.

Unless you use a PO box or something, you will always need to provide personal details when buying this type of stuff.

That is true, when you need goods delivered you have to provide an address. It must not be a personal one though. Can be a company one, a PO box like you said or even a local store can work sometimes. Breaking connections between digital and physical identities is not easy and requires work, but with a little creativity it can work.

I think bitcoin is more often used for digital goods and I had several occasions where I was asked to provide a full address for those (e.g. gift cards). One time they even wanted to verify my (obviously fake) address. I asked for a refund in bitcoin and somehow a verification was no longer needed (I assume they never held any bitcoin). Its usually the last time I use a service like that. At least according to german law a company should only store the information that are needed(!) for a deal. My address is not needed when I pay with bitcoin for a gift card worth a reasonable amount.

nobody need your address if you buy milk. that is true, but if they find out, that somebody in their store poised all the packages containing milk, then they could warn all the costumers.
this is not very likely but an argument. also if i buy/sell a car or something with a certain price i want to have some sort of address just in case. and i don't care if it is just a digital product or not.

"Just in case"? Which case, Im paying bitcoin. Wait for a confirmation and there are only cases where I need to contact you, because you sold me a shit car.

well did you read the part with the poisoned milk? also let us say the manufacturer discovered a flaw in his car where suddenly the breaks don't work anymore.
If i would have your address, than i could warn you in both these cases. i would certainly appreciate it if i would not have to die.
buy i guess it is your own choice.

As long as its my choice, Ill take the risk of poisoned milk. I also hear press is pretty good at reaching people when cars have a major flaw.

Senor.Bla

sr. member

Activity: 280

Merit: 253

Quote from: Senor.Bla on July 30, 2016, 07:37:23 AM

Quote from: Senor.Bla on July 30, 2016, 07:37:23 AM

Mixers have their place and serve their purpose, but bitcoin was never designed to be anonymous. You can put your money to services that do not require your information or only minimal. When you buy milk in the store, do they ask for your address? Would you buy milk at a store that does? So why is it ok to give out your address when buying digital goods?

I think providing the address that is mentioned in the article is for delivery purposes. If you buy purely digital goods I don't see any reason the provide your physical address. But when you buy physical goods online using bitcoin, the goods somehow need to arrive at your home.

Unless you use a PO box or something, you will always need to provide personal details when buying this type of stuff.

That is true, when you need goods delivered you have to provide an address. It must not be a personal one though. Can be a company one, a PO box like you said or even a local store can work sometimes. Breaking connections between digital and physical identities is not easy and requires work, but with a little creativity it can work.

I think bitcoin is more often used for digital goods and I had several occasions where I was asked to provide a full address for those (e.g. gift cards). One time they even wanted to verify my (obviously fake) address. I asked for a refund in bitcoin and somehow a verification was no longer needed (I assume they never held any bitcoin). Its usually the last time I use a service like that. At least according to german law a company should only store the information that are needed(!) for a deal. My address is not needed when I pay with bitcoin for a gift card worth a reasonable amount.

nobody need your address if you buy milk. that is true, but if they find out, that somebody in their store poised all the packages containing milk, then they could warn all the costumers.
this is not very likely but an argument. also if i buy/sell a car or something with a certain price i want to have some sort of address just in case. and i don't care if it is just a digital product or not.

"Just in case"? Which case, Im paying bitcoin. Wait for a confirmation and there are only cases where I need to contact you, because you sold me a shit car.

well did you read the part with the poisoned milk? also let us say the manufacturer discovered a flaw in his car where suddenly the breaks don't work anymore.
If i would have your address, than i could warn you in both these cases. i would certainly appreciate it if i would not have to die.
buy i guess it is your own choice.

Pursuer

legendary

Activity: 1638

Merit: 1163

Where is my ring of blades...

having mixing services is always a good thing in bitcoin, because apart from anonymity that everybody is talking about , there is another concept that is important to a lot of people and that is privacy.
it is so important to keep one's privacy when online, especially when you are using something like bitcoin where every random person on the internet can have access to this public data called blockchain and see what you are up to and you can even be targeted if your privacy is compromised.

shorena

copper member

Activity: 1498

Merit: 1528

No I dont escrow anymore.

Quote from: pandalion98 on July 30, 2016, 07:00:22 AM

Mixers have their place and serve their purpose, but bitcoin was never designed to be anonymous. You can put your money to services that do not require your information or only minimal. When you buy milk in the store, do they ask for your address? Would you buy milk at a store that does? So why is it ok to give out your address when buying digital goods?

I think providing the address that is mentioned in the article is for delivery purposes. If you buy purely digital goods I don't see any reason the provide your physical address. But when you buy physical goods online using bitcoin, the goods somehow need to arrive at your home.

Unless you use a PO box or something, you will always need to provide personal details when buying this type of stuff.

That is true, when you need goods delivered you have to provide an address. It must not be a personal one though. Can be a company one, a PO box like you said or even a local store can work sometimes. Breaking connections between digital and physical identities is not easy and requires work, but with a little creativity it can work.

I think bitcoin is more often used for digital goods and I had several occasions where I was asked to provide a full address for those (e.g. gift cards). One time they even wanted to verify my (obviously fake) address. I asked for a refund in bitcoin and somehow a verification was no longer needed (I assume they never held any bitcoin). Its usually the last time I use a service like that. At least according to german law a company should only store the information that are needed(!) for a deal. My address is not needed when I pay with bitcoin for a gift card worth a reasonable amount.

nobody need your address if you buy milk. that is true, but if they find out, that somebody in their store poised all the packages containing milk, then they could warn all the costumers.
this is not very likely but an argument. also if i buy/sell a car or something with a certain price i want to have some sort of address just in case. and i don't care if it is just a digital product or not.

"Just in case"? Which case, Im paying bitcoin. Wait for a confirmation and there are only cases where I need to contact you, because you sold me a shit car.

pereira4

legendary

Activity: 1610

Merit: 1183

I think people only use mixers if
1. They're paranoid
2. They've committed a crime and don't want any link to the stolen coins.

Bitcoin wasn't designed to be anonymous, just like what the others here on this thread are saying.

You are wrong. In the whitepaper of bitcoin it can be clearly read "bitcoin is electronic cash system". Cash means anonymity. So in any case, bitcoin needs to become way more anonymous to stay true to the definition of what cash is, we must push for an agenda that is pro-anonymity to strengthen bitcoin. Once governments start tracking everything you will wish that bitcoin is more anonymous.

Senor.Bla

sr. member

Activity: 280

Merit: 253

Mixers have their place and serve their purpose, but bitcoin was never designed to be anonymous. You can put your money to services that do not require your information or only minimal. When you buy milk in the store, do they ask for your address? Would you buy milk at a store that does? So why is it ok to give out your address when buying digital goods?

I think providing the address that is mentioned in the article is for delivery purposes. If you buy purely digital goods I don't see any reason the provide your physical address. But when you buy physical goods online using bitcoin, the goods somehow need to arrive at your home.

Unless you use a PO box or something, you will always need to provide personal details when buying this type of stuff.

That is true, when you need goods delivered you have to provide an address. It must not be a personal one though. Can be a company one, a PO box like you said or even a local store can work sometimes. Breaking connections between digital and physical identities is not easy and requires work, but with a little creativity it can work.

I think bitcoin is more often used for digital goods and I had several occasions where I was asked to provide a full address for those (e.g. gift cards). One time they even wanted to verify my (obviously fake) address. I asked for a refund in bitcoin and somehow a verification was no longer needed (I assume they never held any bitcoin). Its usually the last time I use a service like that. At least according to german law a company should only store the information that are needed(!) for a deal. My address is not needed when I pay with bitcoin for a gift card worth a reasonable amount.

nobody need your address if you buy milk. that is true, but if they find out, that somebody in their store poised all the packages containing milk, then they could warn all the costumers.
this is not very likely but an argument. also if i buy/sell a car or something with a certain price i want to have some sort of address just in case. and i don't care if it is just a digital product or not.

yenxz

sr. member

Activity: 294

Merit: 250

Hmmmm ,, to date I have not tried using a mixer but I have thought to use them in the future .
If I have to keep my bitcoin anonymous , because most of the services that I use do not store personal information about me .

pandalion98

sr. member

Activity: 504

Merit: 250

I think people only use mixers if
1. They're paranoid
2. They've committed a crime and don't want any link to the stolen coins.

Bitcoin wasn't designed to be anonymous, just like what the others here on this thread are saying.

helloeverybody

legendary

Activity: 1008

Merit: 1000

★YoBit.Net★ 350+ Coins Exchange & Dice

Ive never used bitmixer but im more than aware of its capabilitys. but i would say if you are looking to use your cryptocurrencys for something that you wish to have more or complete anonymity then your best bet is probably to use an atrenative coin that supports higher anonymity. I wont bother offering an example since im sure thats a debate in itself. For me though i dont really need the extra anonymity , Should i need to for any reason i wouldnt hesitate to use a mixer since they are their to serve that purpose.

shorena

copper member

Activity: 1498

Merit: 1528

No I dont escrow anymore.

Mixers have their place and serve their purpose, but bitcoin was never designed to be anonymous. You can put your money to services that do not require your information or only minimal. When you buy milk in the store, do they ask for your address? Would you buy milk at a store that does? So why is it ok to give out your address when buying digital goods?

I think providing the address that is mentioned in the article is for delivery purposes. If you buy purely digital goods I don't see any reason the provide your physical address. But when you buy physical goods online using bitcoin, the goods somehow need to arrive at your home.

Unless you use a PO box or something, you will always need to provide personal details when buying this type of stuff.

That is true, when you need goods delivered you have to provide an address. It must not be a personal one though. Can be a company one, a PO box like you said or even a local store can work sometimes. Breaking connections between digital and physical identities is not easy and requires work, but with a little creativity it can work.

I think bitcoin is more often used for digital goods and I had several occasions where I was asked to provide a full address for those (e.g. gift cards). One time they even wanted to verify my (obviously fake) address. I asked for a refund in bitcoin and somehow a verification was no longer needed (I assume they never held any bitcoin). Its usually the last time I use a service like that. At least according to german law a company should only store the information that are needed(!) for a deal. My address is not needed when I pay with bitcoin for a gift card worth a reasonable amount.

1Referee

legendary

Activity: 2170

Merit: 1427

I am happy that we have such a thing as a mixing service. All coins that I withdraw from exchanges that will be sent to my cold wallets, will go through bitmixer first before ending up in my cold wallet. I don't want an exchange to follow me and hand over information to governments and such.

NorrisK

legendary

Activity: 1946

Merit: 1007