Bitcoin price manipulation are becoming too obvious now. - page 2.

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Quote from: Kprawn on November 09, 2019, 03:48:57 AM

The people manipulating the price are becoming too predictable now. They trigger a massive drop in the price and people follow like sheep and start

dumping some coins. When the price drop between $600 to $1000, they quickly start buying again to turn things around and then they just wait for

the price to recover slowly to sell at a $600 to $1000 (per coin) profit. Rinse and repeat and you smile all the way to the Bank. Roll Eyes

They make

sure not to make the price too volatile, because that would scare merchants and it will hamper merchant adoption. So, how low are we going this

time around? We saw $3000 in January and we made some good profits at $12 000... The 2017 buyers made some massive losses on the coins that

they bought at the all-time-high (ATH) of $18 000, so I think it is time to reward some of them with a recovery to $20 000. Tongue

They cannot really become that predictable because if they do the average trader will be able to anticipate their movements and the ones that will lose money will be themselves and I'm sure that is not something that they want, however I do not really think that the whales are looking to make the price to recover to the point we surpass the previous all time high, while they are very powerful and they could do that they know they need the support of the whole market or they will risk being the ones left holding the bag.

It seems more likely that what they will try it from now on will be another decrease in the price so they can accumulate even more coins as all the people that began to buy bitcoin during the summer of this year begin to sell disappointed by the lack of results.

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Quote from: bitbunnny on November 09, 2019, 09:23:20 PM

I still need evidence to believe the theories of price manipulation. Only talks and presumptions but nothing too logical to explain that.
Also, that doesn't make much sense, how can we then still claim that Bitcoin is decentralized and independent and on the other hand explain every price pump or dump with manipulation?

You can see there's a lot of research made by professional institutions and even universities trying to prove that there's manipulation in bitcoin market by some big players, yet they got nothing but more and more wild speculation in the end , they just can say that bitcoin can pushed up or dropped down easily by a single person , by a big whales! They are suspecting that those big whales bought bitcoin over and over again through USDT since 2017 and the last time is when it was on $4,500 drive to $10,000.

They are all said it was made by big whales , big whales who? They can't answer it , the only evidence is that they are looking at some exchanges with large number transaction on USDT and they found a single huge usdt transaction... still it doesn't prove anything.

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Quote from: Kprawn on November 09, 2019, 03:48:57 AM

The people manipulating the price are becoming too predictable now. They trigger a massive drop in the price and people follow like sheep and start

dumping some coins. When the price drop between $600 to $1000, they quickly start buying again to turn things around and then they just wait for

the price to recover slowly to sell at a $600 to $1000 (per coin) profit. Rinse and repeat and you smile all the way to the Bank. Roll Eyes

They make

sure not to make the price too volatile, because that would scare merchants and it will hamper merchant adoption. So, how low are we going this

time around? We saw $3000 in January and we made some good profits at $12 000... The 2017 buyers made some massive losses on the coins that

they bought at the all-time-high (ATH) of $18 000, so I think it is time to reward some of them with a recovery to $20 000. Tongue

I definitely get where you're coming from - that's why it would be fantastic for whales to use marketplaces like Vertex so that their trades don't impact the rest of the markets. I mean, it works for anyone making large trades too. Let's hope we hit $20k in the next bull run! Many analysts expect Bitcoin to soar after the next halvening event in May 2020.

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Quote from: davinchi on November 12, 2019, 02:01:54 PM

I am sure that if you have the money they are using to do so, you would follow their lead too, but since we cannot have the kind of money they are using to manipulate the market, what we can just do from our own end is just to learn how they operate, and since you understand this, I think that you should be in money by now, because I cannot count the number of times that this has repeated itself this year and even if I could not catch all the fluctuation, but I can say that I have at least been able to benefit from 6 of it, which I have indeed smiled to the bank, especially the jackpot of that time that bitcoin rose from $5000 to $14000 within a very short space of time.

Now that the price is dropping again, what I am doing is to be accumulating it and then sell when the price is growing again.

Actually the hardest part to be done or to be followed by many where we wont easily know on when how to ride up.So profitability will always
vary on how eager you are to take a risk to put an entry on said price point.Bottom cant really be known specially to this unpredictable market.
The ones who had been making profits are the one who put the risk on accumulating while the price is still cheap.Market is always been like this
and if you do know on how to ride with the flow then for sure making money isnt really that hard.

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Well, the price drops are more of a snowball effect of people that panic sell as soon as the price starts to go down. It's more of a human personality thing than it is manipulation. Some people just can't stand seeing Bitcoin go down even $100 and then they start to sell. Then the next guy sees it go down another $50 and he sells. I'm not saying there's no manipulation, but most of the time it's just people panic selling to try and cut their losses. Even though the price is going to come back up.

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Quote from: DaveWave on November 11, 2019, 10:42:09 AM

Is bitcoin price manipulation really that obvious nowadays? Because if it is that easy then many will earn big. It is hard to agree with this. It is always easier to talk than do the thing. Start showing us your trades is a good start for us to believe your analysis.

There is nothing like that and no one can really predict the exact peaks and time of upcoming season. Most of the times people just throw opinions naming them predictions. There are few resources that can be trusted in this regard. The factors on which the price of bitcoin depend are known by everyone but changes made in them are unknown. Bitcoin trading brings unexpected experiences.

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I am sure that if you have the money they are using to do so, you would follow their lead too, but since we cannot have the kind of money they are using to manipulate the market, what we can just do from our own end is just to learn how they operate, and since you understand this, I think that you should be in money by now, because I cannot count the number of times that this has repeated itself this year and even if I could not catch all the fluctuation, but I can say that I have at least been able to benefit from 6 of it, which I have indeed smiled to the bank, especially the jackpot of that time that bitcoin rose from $5000 to $14000 within a very short space of time.

Now that the price is dropping again, what I am doing is to be accumulating it and then sell when the price is growing again.

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This sort of manipulation should never be done by humans. People centrally controlling the price of Bitcoin is dangerous. There is no law guiding this behavior... meaning they could do whatever they what with the price.
Assuming the price control tool is in the hands of sane minds and one day crazy wealthy people or person from another location overthrow them and destroy the market, are you going to clap for them as the market is clearly been destroyed?

The atmosphere of uncertainty will discourage right thinking person from holding long-term.

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Quote from: Kprawn on November 09, 2019, 03:48:57 AM

Bitcoin price manipulation are becoming too obvious now.

On the contrary, as time goes by, this is going to decrease further. Increasing value and more alertness of the community can counter this slightly. Actually this is normal in the decentralized system. But if decentralization is not important to you, regulation is necessary to counter it. Through the regulation it will be possible to follow the deposits and withdrawals. And tale ends happily. lol

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Quote from: Kprawn on November 09, 2019, 03:48:57 AM

sure not to make the price too volatile, because that would scare merchants and it will hamper merchant adoption. So, how low are we going this

I'm sure that the whales don't care about merchant adoption since all there care about is Bitcoin having a price on which they can be traded it on. Merchant adoption for them is nothing as long as someone in the exchange or another buyer is willing to buy their Bitcoin or crypto on the price they are asking because in the end money is really what they want. If we will consider the price movement we are experiencing now it would still be considered as too volatile for merchants to accept but the good thing is merchants don't follow the price of Bitcoin itself but instead they BTC follows the USD value of the product which can justify why volatility isn't a relevant factor for merchant adoption since BTC quantity quickly adjust for the prices set by merchants and it's really up to them if they want to hodl and handle the risk or liquidate and avoid it.

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Quote from: Kprawn on November 09, 2019, 03:48:57 AM

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The movements made by whales, institutions or Strong Hands have already been planned for months. Sometimes the manipulation is in the news, if they need to sell, the good news comes out and if they need to buy, the bad news comes out, many news agencies are sometimes the same from Strong Hands, or maybe they are friends of the owners, nothing costs them Ask a small favor, in that aspect if I believe in manipulation, unless there is a "Fundamental"

What is generated in the market has always been presented, since the stock market since the 1800s, bullish traps, bearish traps have been managed and there are always those who fall. When it is determined in what way the market is going, it is won.

According to my analysis, following the Wyckoff methodology, we are beginning the bullish trend stage, which may fluctuate, the price may be volatile, but there is a clear picture, the whale management is to fill the market with emotions, so that traders enter and will fall into their traps, and thus earn money. When whale movements are obvious, more traders will win and I doubt that. Jesse Livermore (Famous Trader of the Stock Market) always determined in the market the line of least resistance, which is why the majority were always successful in their trades.

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It has always been too obvious, the trouble is there is bigger prices now and it requires a lot more money to manipulate so it became more obvious in the numbers. For example, back when it was 30 dollars and moved to 150 dollars couple million would have been enough to make it go up that much, the price was little and that much money going in or out would have changed a lot of stuff.

However, when bitcoin price became $10k it turned out there needs to be tens of millions of dollars required to change it even a bit, so when all of a sudden 25 million dollars worth bitcoin is sold you can see it more clearly, it was always clear but compared to 1.5 million sold to 25 million sold there is a big difference so people who didn't cared back in the day started to get annoyed now.

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Is bitcoin price manipulation really that obvious nowadays? Because if it is that easy then many will earn big. It is hard to agree with this. It is always easier to talk than do the thing. Start showing us your trades is a good start for us to believe your analysis.

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Quote from: Genamant on November 11, 2019, 09:34:31 AM

I think yes, manipulation in crypto market is rampant and already overwhelming
I am guessing that many has fuck up their day trades Cry

Whether it is yes or not, market is still unpredictable. if there is manipulations why still experts traders lost huge? there is still predictions of price? if there is manipulation on market and btc's price they could not waste their time for predictions and add some strategies in trading. there is no unusual thing that happening. btc's price is still volatile.

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Quote from: Genamant on November 11, 2019, 09:34:31 AM

I think yes, manipulation in crypto market is rampant and already overwhelming
I am guessing that many has fuck up their day trades Cry

I don't think that was right cause I'm not seeing it anymore. The usual pump and pumps happen all the time which I don't think that this is because of whales. We have to know also that they are not in control of the market, so many reasons that could actually change the market demand and do price changes as well. Whales will do what they think is right and profitable but I don't think it was manipulation...cause it was just common thing to do when you are in the position.

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I think yes, manipulation in crypto market is rampant and already overwhelming
I am guessing that many has fuck up their day trades Cry

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Quote from: Murat on November 11, 2019, 07:20:36 AM

Obviously, when your payment method is not certain then you can't feel comfortable to receive or give it, In this sense, every merchandise also feels so, If this price of Bitcoin is not stable then this is really difficult to run as a payment system. if we don't control this situation then the main goal of Bitcoin will not establish ever, so the manipulation should be underhand and a set of regulation is very essential for this situation, without getting stable no one platform could shine because of people only like a credible and acceptable platform for their own purpose, that's why Bitcoin price manipulation should be focused and take it under control.

If we believed that manipulation was having so serious connections with the current price fluctuations, then there's someone who held responsible for everything's happening with the ongoing market recession. I believed there's an anonymous investor who still kept his btc discreetly, and prefers to hold it for such a long time. He can play with the market whenever he wanted to, and decides at random instances which could easily crash the price crazily, so we encountered more frequent market volatility.

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Quote from: marcbitcoins on November 10, 2019, 09:38:58 PM

Manipulation is proven unpredictable too but If someone could trully predict the big whales movement then lucky for them because they could now ride with the big whales games with a perfect timing making them to become rich soon because they could now avoid future losses. Big whales trully manipulated the market movement and there is nothing we can do but to learn on how to predict their movement.

And probably that's the hardest part of chasing, if only that particular ride can be done easily then you are right a lots of traders should now be
rich since the dive will allow them to buy in while the market is still low and sell once the bounce happened and the value turned high, if manipulations
can be anticipated easily many traders get a lots of profits now. But it isn't that easy and whales is more wiser than anyone around this industry
it's tough to tell if they are playing or the condition of the market is natural.

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Obviously, when your payment method is not certain then you can't feel comfortable to receive or give it, In this sense, every merchandise also feels so, If this price of Bitcoin is not stable then this is really difficult to run as a payment system. if we don't control this situation then the main goal of Bitcoin will not establish ever, so the manipulation should be underhand and a set of regulation is very essential for this situation, without getting stable no one platform could shine because of people only like a credible and acceptable platform for their own purpose, that's why Bitcoin price manipulation should be focused and take it under control.

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Quote from: marcbitcoins on November 10, 2019, 09:38:58 PM

Manipulation is proven unpredictable too but If someone could trully predict the big whales movement then lucky for them because they could now ride with the big whales games with a perfect timing making them to become rich soon because they could now avoid future losses. Big whales trully manipulated the market movement and there is nothing we can do but to learn on how to predict their movement.

Big whales are already here in which those small one investors have nothing to do about that in which they need to learn more time during the movement of bitcoin. As we all know volatility price of bitcoin makes each of us have a chance to earn but to the fact needs a good timing to avoid a possible losses though to experience losses is just normal and it should not always. Also, the good thing here is when your luck is on your side always, well for sure you can have a good profit.

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