Bitcoin price manipulation are becoming too obvious now. - page 3.

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Quote from: marcbitcoins on November 10, 2019, 08:38:58 PM

Manipulation is proven unpredictable too but If someone could trully predict the big whales movement then lucky for them because they could now ride with the big whales games with a perfect timing making them to become rich soon because they could now avoid future losses. Big whales trully manipulated the market movement and there is nothing we can do but to learn on how to predict their movement.

I think whale manipulation has created a lot of new investment opportunities for everyone because this year the constant volatility has helped me to make a very good profit from this market. In my opinion any market will have manipulators so this is not a problem that worries me because they are just speculators and if you track their movements you will be very easy to succeed in this market.

I personally analyze this market myself and always follow the money of big investors to predict what they will do next. Maybe my predictions are not correct but there will certainly be a lot of changes if a large sum of money is deposit into a big exchange.

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Manipulation is proven unpredictable too but If someone could trully predict the big whales movement then lucky for them because they could now ride with the big whales games with a perfect timing making them to become rich soon because they could now avoid future losses. Big whales trully manipulated the market movement and there is nothing we can do but to learn on how to predict their movement.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on November 10, 2019, 05:44:05 PM

We might think that whales did this manipulation again but somehow we can't show or prove something for this. Though whales have the capability to manipulate the market but it doesn't mean that they will control everything. Whales are just like us, they also make trades for them to generate profits. They have their own strategy different from casual market players which I'd think that people called this manipulation but that is how they play, in fact, they are free to do so.

And the big difference is that they have deep pockets to begin with.

I would agree that it's pretty obvious today, maybe it has something to do with the bearish trend, and then the whole 'bot' thingy came into fruition in 2019. So I would say that it speculators and whales are good at using the bot today more than any year in bitcoin market. So for casual traders, it's really hard to cope with this sudden pump and dump and although it's obvious, we can't do anything about those manipulators or bad actors from behind except to ride with them.

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We might think that whales did this manipulation again but somehow we can't show or prove something for this. Though whales have the capability to manipulate the market but it doesn't mean that they will control everything. Whales are just like us, they also make trades for them to generate profits. They have their own strategy different from casual market players which I'd think that people called this manipulation but that is how they play, in fact, they are free to do so.

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Quote from: Kprawn on November 09, 2019, 02:48:57 AM

The people manipulating the price are becoming too predictable now. They trigger a massive drop in the price and people follow like sheep and start

This is one thing with an uncontrolled market. A market without regulation can face such. Creating of artificial environment or scarcity that will increase want is the course in my own knowledge. That is business idea though whether it is good or bad.

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Quote from: 1Referee on November 09, 2019, 06:28:54 PM

Fact is that this market is just as unpredictable as it has always been.

I'd venture to say it's a lot more unpredictable than years ago. When I first started trading BTC in 2013, it wasn't so algo-driven. Classical TA worked like a dream. Now it's just like traditional commodity markets: every pivot gets challenged and S/R breaks often get faded and turn into whipsaws. I really miss the old days!

Quote from: 1Referee on November 09, 2019, 06:28:54 PM

If the price dumps and doesn't go back up, it's fair to say that there is no demand to push the price back up, because that would certainly happen if there was.

Agreed there. Many times I've seen whales dump only to have the market immediately wick up and trap them. It's all about the underlying demand and whether it can absorb the supply.

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Quote from: Kprawn on November 09, 2019, 02:48:57 AM

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We might see some patterns now but we know that this wont really retain for too long.Good for those people who do
able to join the ride and there would be always a losing trader on this case for this less or minimal volatility we have seen
on this year alone.It isnt that kind of manipulation though but who knows because just like we have seen a few months ago
where prices do move 1k in a short time which we didnt even expect to happen yet weve been stagnant already for a while.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on November 09, 2019, 08:40:38 AM

Everyone working for their benefits so they want to keep the things same as it is which restricting the adoption to go over next level,surely everyone is awaiting for the bitcoin halving which could make the price to next level at least to new all time high from 2017 in 2020 or later.

Ya that is right mate everyone working for benefits up and down price of bitcoin is very challenging how to get earn profits harder to predict if the price is keep uprise of keep going down, but yes ofcouse this current price movements is favor to the trader difficult but it's opportunity to get earn and always remember there have an risk. If possible have price manipulation the question is who is beheind of that price manipulation the group of richman etc. to convince people there have an manipulation in bitcoin price need an strong evidence because I still believe without evindence case dismiss, no need to discuss. Do not open the op.

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Probably yes and probably no.

Yes because of the recent movements of Bitcoin within the past years. The parabolic rises of it and the year of hell (2018). Since the market is considered small at this moment, rich people and various institutions can manipulate the market. Although they can manipulate the market, year after year more and more investors are getting into it and buying Bitcoin and because of that Bitcoin is being distributed to more investors right now.

Anyway, I don't care if they manipulate the market because I believe that the time will come that Bitcoin's price will not be manipulated anymore.

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Well, the profit is not only based on the manipulation and knowing when to buy or sell. I think it'd be better to measure the loss and outcome to start and take the results from that and see the pattern. It may look obvious of manipulation, but to think that there are whales out there just naturally selling and investing. The powerhouses are not the once to hold the large sum, it is the group who know when to pull in and pull out.

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it is not that obvious otherwise it wouldn't have happened this many times with the nearly-same trends each time. apparently majority of day traders in the current bitcoin market are either too blind to see it or a more possible explanation would be that they like this current trend!
if you think about it, with these swings happening and them being somewhat predictable they could generate a good amount of profit for the day traders that are riding the waves up and down and that is exactly what a day trader dreams about.

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As we know the price of bitcoin is very volatile, which means sometimes prices like to suddenly go up and sometimes suddenly go down.
My opinion that price fluctuations are indeed caused by whales, because the logic must be that someone buys or sells in large amount to
move the price of bitcoin. So from that it is very clear that can do like that only whales with very large capital. With this whales manipulate
prices to create FOMO and panic sell for profit personally. So from that we should not sell loss bitcoin that we have, because whales will
make the market go down in order to accommodate people selling bitcoin losses. Keep holding bitcoin that you have until your target sell
reached.

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This thing cannot be avoided since the price of bitcoin just depend on supply and demand which is mean if there is some one or some parties who have a lot of bitcoin on their wallet they can easily manipulate it.

I just have a bit worried when bitcoin has all mined, they are who have a lot of bitcoin will get richer whilst for those who doesn't have it will just meet a lose and miss our money just like that.

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Quote from: exstasie on November 09, 2019, 02:21:17 PM

Quote from: Kprawn on November 09, 2019, 02:48:57 AM

The people manipulating the price are becoming too predictable now. They trigger a massive drop in the price and people follow like sheep and start

dumping some coins. When the price drop between $600 to $1000, they quickly start buying again to turn things around and then they just wait for

the price to recover slowly to sell at a $600 to $1000 (per coin) profit. Rinse and repeat and you smile all the way to the Bank. Roll Eyes

If it's so predictable, why don't you trade and profit from it? Wink

How do you know it's manipulation and not just people selling? Investors often cry about the former because they are long and losing money but I see no actual proof of manipulation, just massive assumptions.

Just as often, I see selloffs (like October 23rd) that are completely rejected by the market. People who sold below $7,700 weren't smiling all the way to the bank, were they?

Who says I am not doing this? Wink

I quickly saw the trend since the price dropped to $3000 in January and started buying coins again. (Took a lot

of balls to do that, but I invest in Bitcoin, knowing that it is a high risk investment option) So when it recovered to $12 000, I was ready to take

some nice profits. So, now I just wait for the drop and then I buy in again, knowing that it will follow this trend again. Even if I am wrong now, I

would still be in the green for many years to come. Grin

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Quote from: Kprawn on November 09, 2019, 02:48:57 AM

The people manipulating the price are becoming too predictable now. They trigger a massive drop in the price and people follow like sheep and start

dumping some coins. When the price drop between $600 to $1000, they quickly start buying again to turn things around and then they just wait for

the price to recover slowly to sell at a $600 to $1000 (per coin) profit. Rinse and repeat and you smile all the way to the Bank. Roll Eyes

They make

sure not to make the price too volatile, because that would scare merchants and it will hamper merchant adoption. So, how low are we going this

time around? We saw $3000 in January and we made some good profits at $12 000... The 2017 buyers made some massive losses on the coins that

they bought at the all-time-high (ATH) of $18 000, so I think it is time to reward some of them with a recovery to $20 000. Tongue

only weak people throw it away and sell it cheap, so they will now push it back to 20k after selling it at a cheap price before at 3k, those big investors have the talent to play like that over the market and take advantage of the moment before going to the moon, but the thing this tends to make a lot of people disappointed in Bitcoin, but it won't matter because when bitcoin will take another new ATH they will come back to love Bitcoin again

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If whales really did manipulating the market price, well, that must mean there were tons of them working together to bring the market down. Tbh, if that's true, whales intention to move the market as they like so as to be able to take the profit they wanted to. But we can't hide the fact that the market is very unpredictable, every market precisely. Regardless how amazing your researchs are. Anything could turn the table at any point. And it's no wonder if the price fell down, traders will follow behind them. They're following the trends, whether to cut loss to minimize the losses or panic sellers.

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I think we cannot used the word manipulated because all we know that no one can control and no one can predict about bitcoin price. If they earn on that way it is not your business because it is their strategies. Imagine is bitcoin's price can be manipulated bitcoin will not live for a decade but look until now user and investors are still give their full trust at bitcoin.

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I still need evidence to believe the theories of price manipulation. Only talks and presumptions but nothing too logical to explain that.
Also, that doesn't make much sense, how can we then still claim that Bitcoin is decentralized and independent and on the other hand explain every price pump or dump with manipulation?

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Quote from: 1Referee on November 09, 2019, 06:28:54 PM

It no longer surprises me that after a drop people come out of their holes and claim that the market is being manipulated.

Fact is that this market is just as unpredictable as it has always been. This unpredictability makes manipulating the price for large parties extremely dangerous as there is always a larger party ready to undo whatever you tried to initiate, mainly so with how there are more institutions on board than ever before with incentives to protect.

If the price dumps and doesn't go back up, it's fair to say that there is no demand to push the price back up, because that would certainly happen if there was.

I don't think some big whales can do that kind of manipulation here. The crypto market is really unpredictable as ever. The up and down movement is to be expected at all times. But such manipulation theory, I think we have no solid basis to claim that.

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It's truly obvious they manipulate the market because of the percentage of drop is big and then bounce it again in big percent. This whales will do this so some traders will panicking about this drop. But I think we don't need to always follow the flow in the market we need to have limits our decision too to save what asset we have. Much better to hold it and wait a halving time don't ever whales manipulate you they know how to play this market.

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