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newbie
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July 06, 2013, 04:10:06 AM
#64
John Doe and his GPUs can not make a profit anymore. Only John Trump and his larger investment can.
Bitcoins were only valid when anyone could make a profit, albeit small, and drive its economy.
Right not, it's elitist. As in, bad.
John Doe has left the building.

Fed is printing trillions of fiat and is eminently elitist, yet even the poorest of the poor don't refuse using that fiat on account of their righteous disgust for elites.
Why? Because they need it. As it stands, people don't really need BTC. Reddit subscription and such won't cut it.

Using Bitcoin clients is clumsy and slow, ripe with errors and complications of maintaining/securing the wallet. Not for a computer geek, but for the average person definitely. There are hackers preying on you everywhere, as if walking through the street in ghetto and waving a few $100 bills.

The poor can't buy bread with BTC. Tell a person they're virtually unable to eat without a specific currency and certainly they will take it regardless of moral and reliability calms.
full member
Activity: 126
Merit: 100
July 06, 2013, 12:17:29 AM
#63
John Doe and his GPUs can not make a profit anymore. Only John Trump and his larger investment can.
Bitcoins were only valid when anyone could make a profit, albeit small, and drive its economy.
Right not, it's elitist. As in, bad.
John Doe has left the building.

Fed is printing trillions of fiat and is eminently elitist, yet even the poorest of the poor don't refuse using that fiat on account of their righteous disgust for elites.
Why? Because they need it. As it stands, people don't really need BTC. Reddit subscription and such won't cut it.

Using Bitcoin clients is clumsy and slow, ripe with errors and complications of maintaining/securing the wallet. Not for a computer geek, but for the average person definitely. There are hackers preying on you everywhere, as if walking through the street in ghetto and waving a few $100 bills.
sr. member
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July 05, 2013, 11:58:03 PM
#62
John Doe and his GPUs can not make a profit anymore. Only John Trump and his larger investment can.
Bitcoins were only valid when anyone could make a profit, albeit small, and drive its economy.
Right not, it's elitist. As in, bad.
John Doe has left the building.

poppycock.

the average joe will be more interested in mining with a lower entry point via single chip asic miners.

Everyone else can buy bitcoin from miners.

Miners can and will make money if they manage their investments well. I for instance, shut my gpu farm down 6 weeks ago (not because it was unprofitable) but because I miner sense tingled and told me to resale them rather than switch to an alt coin. That was lucky (as it turned out). But and this is the fun part - most of the smart miners were still working off plans that had a slower increase in hash rate... and a btc price of 10 or 20 bucks. (and the current high prices have let us continue mining long past our expectations).

Just because every joe can't 'make his puter make bitcoin' doesn't mean people still won't want bitcoin. So no - I don't care in the least that joey had to turn off his gpu and stops stealing electricity from his parents and can't buy pot on SR. This is business... and having most miners be businessmen is going to be a good thing for bitcoin in general.
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July 05, 2013, 11:55:33 PM
#61
the elitist with deep pocket will not be making any money either from mining as the Fiat/BTC ratio drops. 
sr. member
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July 05, 2013, 11:47:01 PM
#60
As more asics flood the market, bitcoin value will continue to tank

what does asic = increased difficulty have to do with bitcoin tanking?

John Doe and his GPUs can not make a profit anymore. Only John Trump and his larger investment can.
Bitcoins were only valid when anyone could make a profit, albeit small, and drive its economy.
Right not, it's elitist. As in, bad.
John Doe has left the building.
full member
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July 05, 2013, 08:55:15 PM
#59
As more asics flood the market, bitcoin value will continue to tank

what does asic = increased difficulty have to do with bitcoin tanking?

there are a few things but they lead to the same situation

increased diff by some big miners, instead of increased diff by more people with smaller mining rigs put more XBT into less hands.. what does that do?  same thing that the miner makers are dealing with.  A few big players with piles of XBT trying to beat the other guy in grabbing what ever bids are out there buying XBT...

if the XBT are spread around smaller piles to more people it would take a pure panic to get everyone to go sell at once..  here you have the prisoner's dilemma...  it would be best if both prisoner's don't fess up and the cops have nothing, but usually one will fess up first since they don't know for sure if the other guy will keep quiet.

If the big miners and miner makers all took their time in a slow sell, then it would be best to all..  but since they cant really trust each other they do what they know is good for them right now.. and that is sell as fast as they can

so enjoy the low XBT price until probably next spring when it evens out..   then you got the Winklefools that are going to dump their pile in an ETF that will bring bad publicity.   rough times for XBT next 8 months

ASICs being pumped into the market means increased profitability, with revenue in BTC. Basic economics indicates that with higher profitability comes inflation, so currently some inflation is expected. This is a consequence of a healthy economy.
Increased profitability with revenue in BTC for those with asics, and decreased profitability i.e, less BTC for those without asics, and increased cost requirement in BTC for those who want asics.
legendary
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July 05, 2013, 07:56:47 PM
#58
As more asics flood the market, bitcoin value will continue to tank

what does asic = increased difficulty have to do with bitcoin tanking?

there are a few things but they lead to the same situation

increased diff by some big miners, instead of increased diff by more people with smaller mining rigs put more XBT into less hands.. what does that do?  same thing that the miner makers are dealing with.  A few big players with piles of XBT trying to beat the other guy in grabbing what ever bids are out there buying XBT...

if the XBT are spread around smaller piles to more people it would take a pure panic to get everyone to go sell at once..  here you have the prisoner's dilemma...  it would be best if both prisoner's don't fess up and the cops have nothing, but usually one will fess up first since they don't know for sure if the other guy will keep quiet.

If the big miners and miner makers all took their time in a slow sell, then it would be best to all..  but since they cant really trust each other they do what they know is good for them right now.. and that is sell as fast as they can

so enjoy the low XBT price until probably next spring when it evens out..   then you got the Winklefools that are going to dump their pile in an ETF that will bring bad publicity.   rough times for XBT next 8 months

ASICs being pumped into the market means increased profitability, with revenue in BTC. Basic economics indicates that with higher profitability comes inflation, so currently some inflation is expected. This is a consequence of a healthy economy.
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 250
July 05, 2013, 07:53:26 PM
#57
As more asics flood the market, bitcoin value will continue to tank

what does asic = increased difficulty have to do with bitcoin tanking?

there are a few things but they lead to the same situation

increased diff by some big miners, instead of increased diff by more people with smaller mining rigs put more btc into less hands.. what does that do?  same thing that the miner makers are dealing with.  A few big players with piles of btc trying to beat the other guy in grabbing what ever bids are out there buying btc...

if the btc are spread around smaller piles to more people it would take a pure panic to get everyone to go sell at once..  here you have the prisoner's dilemma...  it would be best if both prisoner's don't fess up and the cops have nothing, but usually one will fess up first since they don't know for sure if the other guy will keep quiet.

If the big miners and miner makers all took their time in a slow sell, then it would be best to all..  but since they cant really trust each other they do what they know is good for them right now.. and that is sell as fast as they can

so enjoy the low btc price until probably next spring when it evens out..   then you got the Winklefools that are going to dump their pile in an ETF that will bring bad publicity.   rough times for BTC next 8 months

full member
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July 05, 2013, 05:49:29 PM
#56
I am not sure I get that either.
hero member
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Someone is sitting in the shade today...
July 05, 2013, 05:43:02 PM
#55
As more asics flood the market, bitcoin value will continue to tank

what does asic = increased difficulty have to do with bitcoin tanking?
sr. member
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July 05, 2013, 05:08:15 PM
#54
As more asics flood the market, bitcoin value will continue to tank
sr. member
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July 05, 2013, 04:36:04 PM
#53
  If you have a majority of your networth in bitcoin you better believe in bitcoin.

   I don't care what the price does because I'm participating in this movement because I believe in the potential for bitcoin to refresh the global financial structure. I am just going to try to continue spending bitcoin at any price, ideally making all of my purchases with them asap and cutting the banks out of my life. If all the speculators follow suit the amount of money being made buying high and selling low right now will seem truly laughable.

Every revolution requires sacrifice.

sadly the largest market for bitcoin by far is asic hardware purchases, with the sole purpose of generating btc to sell.

not totally..  i think a few will be tossed down the SR
hero member
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Someone is sitting in the shade today...
July 05, 2013, 04:16:19 PM
#52
  If you have a majority of your networth in bitcoin you better believe in bitcoin.

   I don't care what the price does because I'm participating in this movement because I believe in the potential for bitcoin to refresh the global financial structure. I am just going to try to continue spending bitcoin at any price, ideally making all of my purchases with them asap and cutting the banks out of my life. If all the speculators follow suit the amount of money being made buying high and selling low right now will seem truly laughable.

Every revolution requires sacrifice.

sadly the largest market for bitcoin by far is asic hardware purchases, with the sole purpose of generating btc to sell.
newbie
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July 05, 2013, 03:39:55 PM
#51
But stay connected with reality
hero member
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July 05, 2013, 03:29:08 PM
#50
   If you have a majority of your networth in bitcoin you better believe in bitcoin.

   I don't care what the price does because I'm participating in this movement because I believe in the potential for bitcoin to refresh the global financial structure. I am just going to try to continue spending bitcoin at any price, ideally making all of my purchases with them asap and cutting the banks out of my life. If all the speculators follow suit the amount of money being made buying high and selling low right now will seem truly laughable.

Every revolution requires sacrifice.
hero member
Activity: 1316
Merit: 503
Someone is sitting in the shade today...
July 05, 2013, 12:54:23 PM
#49
BTC is literally like Gold. Falling...

I suspect many are dumping btc and jumping on gold. Not a bad strategy given gold's current price.

nobody is jumping on gold, stop making stuff up. The crash is a combination of factors, take your pick

1) mtgox re-enabled cash withdraw, all the people who exchanged cash for btc to transfer out for safe keeping are doing the reverse trade now

2) i dont know how much this actually applies to btc specifically, but looking at it macro, interest rates are going up and market is stable. Under those conditions, you will see mass cash outflow from safe heavens like gold/silver, btc is in the same category.

3) asic preorder craze has died down, you had am/bfl/avalon/knc/terrahash etc.. asic orders/preorders all firing off all require btc as payment. Now that all those preorders have died down, there is not such a demand for btc.  On the flipside, some those btc received by those guys are getting converted to cash. Double whammy.

4) in the end view it as a part of your high risk diversified investment portfolio, if you have a majority of your networth in btc you should have cashed out a long time ago, noone to blame but yourself.

hero member
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July 05, 2013, 12:46:09 PM
#48
hitting double bottom, major support around 60-65.  buying 100
legendary
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July 05, 2013, 12:28:51 AM
#47
BTC is literally like Gold. Falling...

I suspect many are dumping btc and jumping on gold. Not a bad strategy given gold's current price.

I had not even thought of that.  There are so many things that could affect the price.  I guess it is just the way it goes.
member
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July 05, 2013, 12:23:18 AM
#46
BTC is literally like Gold. Falling...

I suspect many are dumping btc and jumping on gold. Not a bad strategy given gold's current price.
hero member
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hm
July 04, 2013, 08:10:17 PM
#45
Im buying, great opportunity. How many investments can you expect such a huge return on?

I dont trade, I just buy when its cheap, and Ive made a killing doing this.

Many traders disagree with your opinion. I sold yesterday (not much, but a notebook worth). When the price rises 10$ from some level, I will buy again. They last few weeks that din't occur once...
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