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hi all i read the post since one year sorry for my english i found a interesting think but i does takes me further. in every elliptic curve like y^2= x^3+7 there is something interesting like :
if P(1,y1) - k times--> Q(-29/3 ,y2)
   P(2,y3) --k times--> Q(-3,y2)
 so on there is a simple math here where k is always too know independent from whcih curve we work .
 i don't want to give more information this operation is 10 times faster then k*G= and find the x value 


I think to solve the equation we need to introduce a third Z axis
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hi all i read the post since one year sorry for my english i found a interesting think but i does takes me further. in every elliptic curve like y^2= x^3+7 there is something interesting like :
if P(1,y1) - k times--> Q(-29/3 ,y2)
   P(2,y3) --k times--> Q(-3,y2)
 so on there is a simple math here where k is always too know independent from whcih curve we work .
 i don't want to give more information this operation is 10 times faster then k*G= and find the x value 
Too bad the points need to be on the curve. We already know about the endomorphisms.

I'd say any attempt to break a private key that involves more than a constant amount of scalar multiplications (no matter how well optimized by precomputed tables), has very few chances of success.
Any multiplication means, by definition, more than one addition, more time.

Random key -> multiply and match -> good luck waiting.

First level of magnitude reduction: don't do scalar multiplications.

Second wall to break is then the point addition (and there's one more after that, and finally one more after).  I already said too much, but I believe there's something that can run around 20x in less time (fewer computations) if we know the public key and simplify the question.  Some known details around secp256k1 help a lot.


Yeah I endorse what is kTimeG is saying.
the problems is way more deep than I even expected, honestly

I'm not specialist in secp256, not even close, but the sheer amount of calculation is above my capacities. Besides my Jupyter and R have an absolutely collapse trying to do the statistics

a simple example, for the puzzle 65 the coordinates are
X: 21769406468394979245979020739332080729679479243955596515614749275274212371227
Y:102907830890434238525231690377346540046672568029169549965500018466490455252476

you will understand very quick floating point problems, if you come from scientific field like me
besides all the shenanigans around binary calculation  Huh

One website I found fantastic is https://learnmeabitcoin.com/
This person need a award because the site is amazing.
Have a lot of calculator and they try to simplify the max possible but honestly is absurdly convoluted.
But I admire their effort, is worth it to take a look

Another stuffs I was reading is this week was

https://pure.tue.nl/ws/portalfiles/portal/128510960/BEP_BSA_298_299_300_301.pdf
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3367674
https://engineering.purdue.edu/kak/compsec/NewLectures/Lecture7.pdf

On this papers you may can guess why K3ntina is trying to push this idea of the circle: its because of the nature of the calculation, sometimes they have a sqrt(2) have on the pi series expansion in the 3order almost the same decimals where some of the addresses can be build on it.
But again, correlation is not causation: k3ntina is suffering of apophenia... very common in conspiracy theorist


again I'm not bitcoin specialist, i'm scientist so I went to my route what is: statistics
Apparently even if is a HD and this are child  wallets, the reality hass one detail: the onwer FORCED to have this structure.
This reminds me a lot of the case of the Profanity (article: https://medium.com/@rebryk/how-to-hack-a-vanity-address-generated-with-profanity-ffad61ecacd2).
Beside my cpu almost meltdown of trying to run that code, the idea from this case is is  very simple, but on bitcoin has one caveat: we dont have the extended public key and is essential on this case.
so my best next guess is to try to see if the pseudo-random numbers interfere in the wallet construction beside the owner own interference.... and Im still learning but looks like has something on that could be use to reduce the range of the search

Btw, on the k3ntina offer, I also offer a zoom meeting to discuss about it  Grin
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hi all i read the post since one year sorry for my english i found a interesting think but i does takes me further. in every elliptic curve like y^2= x^3+7 there is something interesting like :
if P(1,y1) - k times--> Q(-29/3 ,y2)
   P(2,y3) --k times--> Q(-3,y2)
 so on there is a simple math here where k is always too know independent from whcih curve we work .
 i don't want to give more information this operation is 10 times faster then k*G= and find the x value 
Too bad the points need to be on the curve. We already know about the endomorphisms.

I'd say any attempt to break a private key that involves more than a constant amount of scalar multiplications (no matter how well optimized by precomputed tables), has very few chances of success.
Any multiplication means, by definition, more than one addition, more time.

Random key -> multiply and match -> good luck waiting.

First level of magnitude reduction: don't do scalar multiplications.

Second wall to break is then the point addition (and there's one more after that, and finally one more after).  I already said too much, but I believe there's something that can run around 20x in less time (fewer computations) if we know the public key and simplify the question.  Some known details around secp256k1 help a lot.
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ok hi there, k3ntINA, we need so many kind of skills with this, still this could be the only skill needed,
to solve it right, and some, some kind of skills you are showing,
but merely few get the picture, get it, what is your youtube channel, or the link
if you have posted it,
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hi all i read the post since one year sorry for my english i found a interesting think but i does takes me further. in every elliptic curve like y^2= x^3+7 there is something interesting like :
if P(1,y1) - k times--> Q(-29/3 ,y2)
   P(2,y3) --k times--> Q(-3,y2)
 so on there is a simple math here where k is always too know independent from whcih curve we work .
 i don't want to give more information this operation is 10 times faster then k*G= and find the x value 

This puzzle is exactly created to test such ideas. You don't need to prove yourself to anyone. just solve puzzle 130# by this algorithm. that's enough
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hi all i read the post since one year sorry for my english i found a interesting think but i does takes me further. in every elliptic curve like y^2= x^3+7 there is something interesting like :
if P(1,y1) - k times--> Q(-29/3 ,y2)
   P(2,y3) --k times--> Q(-3,y2)
 so on there is a simple math here where k is always too know independent from whcih curve we work .
 i don't want to give more information this operation is 10 times faster then k*G= and find the x value 
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No problem, I will upload a full video of these on YouTube in an hour.
Bugs and cracks always appear somewhere and from where no one thought of it, and sometimes they are very simple and very unexpected.

Oh, it sounds like we're invited for a thrilling YouTube premiere! Who knew the drama of consecutive keys from a wallet could be so riveting? And here I was, thinking that bugs and cracks only appeared in poorly written software and manuals. Who knows what secrets lie hidden in the labyrinth of ones and zeros? Only time will tell, my friend, only time will tell. But hey, you've got a keen eye for the unexpected - who knows, maybe your next video will uncover the secret of the universe hidden in the digits of pi.  Wink
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It is very surprising that two of my posts were deleted and these two posts were deleted because they were off topic.
there was nothing from the magic circle and nothing obscure, just a simple new arrangement of private keys in hex and decimal format that showed the relationship between the keys.
There are things in this thread that everyone knows are off topic, but they are not deleted. But this arrangement, which is not something special and is a special category, cannot be sent. They delete it
What is the reason?
No problem, I will upload a full video of these on YouTube in an hour.
 It is proven to everyone that consecutive keys from a wallet can be leaked and have bugs.
Now why don't I open a number? I do not have the knowledge of mathematics and programming or the knowledge that is needed to make this connection meaningful.
That's why I couldn't reach the keys, but there are definitely those who, by looking at the numbers, can discover things that the others failed to discover.
Bugs and cracks always appear somewhere and from where no one thought of it, and sometimes they are very simple and very unexpected.
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I love python but blows my memory in no time (cpu). And I have been fight with eclipse all my life.
Doesn't matter how many thread I cant run more than 3 hours bc my memory goes to 100%.

Can you tell me if rust has the same memory issue?

thx

This is the puzzle script from this post :
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-puzzle-transaction-32-btc-prize-to-who-solves-it-1306983

https://i.ibb.co/xz2p58j/2024-05-10-12-29.png

It consumes all 12 cores I have. It works rock solid like this for days.
But this is a special machine just for these things. I don't use it for anything else.

Wow, you have solid 8x more memory and 3x more cores than I, kudos for you Kiss

I can't just dedicated my cpu for that; I still need to teach tho....
So to compensate I'm using statistics to reduce the range... not perfect but I already cut in half (i believe)

I will try to run your code (even if I never used rust before)

Thx anyways! Wink
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I love python but blows my memory in no time (cpu). And I have been fight with eclipse all my life.
Doesn't matter how many thread I cant run more than 3 hours bc my memory goes to 100%.

Can you tell me if rust has the same memory issue?

thx

This is the puzzle script from this post :
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-puzzle-transaction-32-btc-prize-to-who-solves-it-1306983

https://i.ibb.co/xz2p58j/2024-05-10-12-29.png

It consumes all 12 cores I have. It works rock solid like this for days.
But this is a special machine just for these things. I don't use it for anything else.
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The Bitcoin puzzle transaction involving multiple addresses generated by a formula with corresponding private key values has intrigued many. The challenge to decipher the formula behind these addresses, with the prize of approximately 32 BTC, remains unsolved, inviting the Bitcoin community's collective efforts and ingenuity to crack it.

Oh, sure! Because nothing screams "fun weekend activity" like trying to crack a cryptographic puzzle for a chance at some digital gold. Who needs Netflix when you can spend hours staring at strings of alphanumeric characters, hoping they form a magical circle that summons the secrets of the universe? It's like a high-stakes Sudoku, except instead of filling in numbers, you're filling in existential dread. But hey, at least you might end up with enough Bitcoin to buy a small tropical island, right? Totally worth it!  Grin

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy dying by reading that

I had the (dis)pleasure to cross with these puzzles recently, together with k4 of kryptos.
(why Im doing this to myself?lol)

And now I'm surrounding by papers and notes... my broken casio too.

I read so much about the BTC calculation is give me headaches, literally I went to walk an hour to give me a break




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Bitcoin g33k
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Keeping those Digaran fake accounts on their toes is practically a full-time gig now.  Grin
[/quote]

absolutely true. Unfortunately he is not alone abusing this forum by such techniques but I am not allowed to post detailed info.
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Keeping those Digaran fake accounts on their toes is practically a full-time gig now.  Grin
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Bitcoin g33k
The Bitcoin puzzle transaction involving multiple addresses generated by a formula with corresponding private key values has intrigued many. The challenge to decipher the formula behind these addresses, with the prize of approximately 32 BTC, remains unsolved, inviting the Bitcoin community's collective efforts and ingenuity to crack it.

uninteresting output of  ChatGPT caused by non-sens input. Actually totally pointless and a waste of time. But somehow you have to keep your fake double-triple-four accounts on their toes, don't you?
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The Bitcoin puzzle transaction involving multiple addresses generated by a formula with corresponding private key values has intrigued many. The challenge to decipher the formula behind these addresses, with the prize of approximately 32 BTC, remains unsolved, inviting the Bitcoin community's collective efforts and ingenuity to crack it.

Oh, sure! Because nothing screams "fun weekend activity" like trying to crack a cryptographic puzzle for a chance at some digital gold. Who needs Netflix when you can spend hours staring at strings of alphanumeric characters, hoping they form a magical circle that summons the secrets of the universe? It's like a high-stakes Sudoku, except instead of filling in numbers, you're filling in existential dread. But hey, at least you might end up with enough Bitcoin to buy a small tropical island, right? Totally worth it!  Grin
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The Bitcoin puzzle transaction involving multiple addresses generated by a formula with corresponding private key values has intrigued many. The challenge to decipher the formula behind these addresses, with the prize of approximately 32 BTC, remains unsolved, inviting the Bitcoin community's collective efforts and ingenuity to crack it.
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Why are you nervous?
All the keys are merged together, there is no space between the keys, and it becomes a key with a length of 561 characters like this:
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
  It is interesting that the number of characters in hex mode by adjusting the distance between the characters of numbers (550) is only 11 away from the length of the key.
Now this one key with the length of 561 is placed inside the spiral circle and we have magic order in setting the distance of all characters (one by one) on 550.
did you understand?

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