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Topic: Bitcoin Specie Project sponsored by the makers of New Liberty Dollar - page 18. (Read 88462 times)

legendary
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As described and pictured:  #22 of 40 of the first strike pieces minted for the marketing and promotion.
Likely this will be the only auction of these pieces as these are generally reserved to be awarded for those contributors and supporters of the project that have distinguished themselves in some way, so this is your opportunity to join our team by participating in our first BitCoinTalk auction

Included is one Bitcoin Cold Hard Cash .999 fine silver 1 ounce piece, airtite container, display case, certificate of authenticity.  USPS Priority Shipping will be added to the winning bid, insured at the option of the winner.  May the best win, good luck!

   

The auction will start at 0.01 BTC and will end when 24 hours elapse after the last bid, at whatever price that may be.  Please bid by reply to this or another "Auction" subject post within this thread so as to be clear that the post is intended as a bid.



0.01BTC
legendary
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So you are auctioning off just one coin?
hero member
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I can't buy one? I have to bid?
legendary
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Gresham's Lawyer
As described and pictured:  #22 of 40 of the first strike pieces minted for the marketing and promotion.
Likely this will be the only auction of these pieces as these are generally reserved to be awarded for those contributors and supporters of the project that have distinguished themselves in some way, so this is your opportunity to join our team by participating in our first BitCoinTalk auction

Included is one Bitcoin Cold Hard Cash .999 fine silver 1 ounce piece, airtite container, display case, certificate of authenticity.  USPS Priority Shipping will be added to the winning bid, insured at the option of the winner.  May the best win, good luck!

   

The auction will start at 0.01 BTC and will end when 24 hours elapse after the last bid, at whatever price that may be.  Please bid by reply to this or another "Auction" subject post within this thread so as to be clear that the post is intended as a bid.
legendary
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Gresham's Lawyer

Bernard von NotHaus is not involved.
The article headline is misleading, the lower court case for him is not yet settled, he has not been sentenced and has a motion before the court for acquittal.
We would maintain that he is not guilty of any current law, and innocent of any wrongdoing, and that the prosecution has not proved their case, but the jury was bamboozled.  Hopefully justice will prevail.

He has suffered much at the misguided efforts of the federal prosecution, we wish him well.
legendary
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Gresham's Lawyer

This piece does represent a piece of history.  There has never before been specie of any kind that was not only money worldwide, but also translates its value through a QR code link into local currency as well as bitcoin.
Shire Silver has had a QR code linking to its suggested trade value for over a year now. Its also significantly easier to carry for everyday use as it fits in wallets the same as credit cards. It comes in several denominations ranging in MSRP from $40 all the way down to $1 so its much easier to make smaller purchases with than any traditional bullion. You really should check it out.

I <3 Shire Silver.
You folks are heroes and I am happy for your continued success.
legendary
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So really this is nothing more than a bitcoin themed souvenir that's valued upon the material it is made out of?  Huh

I'd take issue with that.  It is not at all a souvenir.  It is a currency, and not only is it bitcoin themed it has a role in the bitcoin ecosystem that is currently horribly vacant.

How is it a currency? - I can't pay for fuel with it and I can't pay for items through bitpay with it ?

Silver and gold have been currency for about 3000 years.  You might be surprised how readily it is accepted.  It is a lot easier to trade at point of sale than bitcoin currently, and there are more folks using it than bitcoin today. 

Also how is there a vacancy in the bitcoin ecosystem?

The recent Pirateat40 case brought this point to light as well.
The claim that there is no specie for bitcoin was a point brought forward to claim that it is not money, and just a game.
The more products and services that are exchangeable for bitcoin the better for bitcoin.  Each new product expands the bitcoin economy.

- That's the whole point of having a virtual P2P currency - nothing physical.

If that is the whole point of it to you, please feel welcome to boycott it, protest it, or do whatever you feel is right.  For myself and many others, there are many many points to having a virtual P2P currency, and the absence of material goods denominated in bitcoin is a problem rather than a solution.  What better than the oldest and most pervasive monetary commodities with a flexible exchange rate incorporated into the piece to bring the tangible value of bitcoin to a greater population?

All your doing is trying to manipulate bitcoin into something it's not. All I see is a fancy t-shirt made out of silver saying "I <3 Bitcoin"

.... good luck to you.

I deeply appreciate your well wishes, even in your disagreement or misunderstanding of the purpose of this project.  It is certainly a project born out of love for Bitcoin.  It is not intended as a manipulation, or any attempt to detract from the essential purpose of Bitcoin, but simply to bring it to a wider audience, to extend its reach, to create a physical and tangible reminder of Bitcoin... but most of all, to have a pocket-friendly specie piece that can be carried casually without worry that you are ruining it.  Something that you can whip out at any time you transact, to offer a voluntary choice of payment.

Sure you could do that with T-shirts, but they are bulky and less durable, and less fungible and one size doesn't fit all.  I am eager to see ways it can be improved or the mission clarified, so I appreciate your comments and welcome more.
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How is it a currency? - I can't pay for fuel with it and I can't pay for items through bitpay with it ?

Also how is there a vacancy in the bitcoin ecosystem? - That's the whole point of having a virtual P2P currency - nothing physical.

All your doing is trying to manipulate bitcoin into something it's not. All I see is a fancy t-shirt made out of silver saying "I <3 Bitcoin"

.... good luck to you.

You're kidding right?  Silver coins have been currency far longer than any fiat money around the world today.  Silver as money dates back as far as history goes.  It's hard to compare bitcoin to silver though, because, while both are money, they are fundamentally different from another.  One is purely physical and the other purely nonphysical.
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This piece does represent a piece of history.  There has never before been specie of any kind that was not only money worldwide, but also translates its value through a QR code link into local currency as well as bitcoin.
Shire Silver has had a QR code linking to its suggested trade value for over a year now. Its also significantly easier to carry for everyday use as it fits in wallets the same as credit cards. It comes in several denominations ranging in MSRP from $40 all the way down to $1 so its much easier to make smaller purchases with than any traditional bullion. You really should check it out.
sr. member
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How is it a currency? - I can't pay for fuel with it and I can't pay for items through bitpay with it ?
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All your doing is trying to manipulate bitcoin into something it's not. All I see is a fancy t-shirt made out of silver saying "I <3 Bitcoin"

I guess this can come down to some philosophical arguments, Bitcoin is different things to different people. I've talked to a few people I look up to in the community (who only know of this item from press coverage), and they seem to think a lot more of this item than you do.

And my sense is, if you brought these to a Libertarian enclave, you would find these "coins" would indeed be accepted as currency, perhaps more readily than if you asked to pay in actual BTC. And maybe the person who accepts this "coin" as payment today might accept Bitcoin tomorrow.
sr. member
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Any chance you'll have any for to sell at the LA Bitcoin Meetup next week?

Hey, is that the meetup in Santa Monica you're talking about, or is there another LA meetup?

Interesting, it appears there are two different Bitcoin meetup groups that have this event date/location. I hadn't seen this group before, I'm a member of this group: http://www.meetup.com/Los-Angeles-Bitcoin

Regardless, looks like we'll all be there for this event!
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LTC -> BTC -> Silver!
Any chance you'll have any for to sell at the LA Bitcoin Meetup next week?

Hey, is that the meetup in Santa Monica you're talking about, or is there another LA meetup?
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So really this is nothing more than a bitcoin themed souvenir that's valued upon the material it is made out of?  Huh

I'd take issue with that.  It is not at all a souvenir.  It is a currency, and not only is it bitcoin themed it has a role in the bitcoin ecosystem that is currently horribly vacant.

How is it a currency? - I can't pay for fuel with it and I can't pay for items through bitpay with it ?

Also how is there a vacancy in the bitcoin ecosystem? - That's the whole point of having a virtual P2P currency - nothing physical.

All your doing is trying to manipulate bitcoin into something it's not. All I see is a fancy t-shirt made out of silver saying "I <3 Bitcoin"

.... good luck to you.
legendary
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Gresham's Lawyer
Unless, of course, you'd spend that coin as a dollar. But why would you?

Yes, if you are buying American Silver Eagles instead of these, you are getting ripped off Smiley
These are less expensive, more useful, and better:  A world currency with true valueation available a phone click away everywhere.
legendary
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Gresham's Lawyer
So really this is nothing more than a bitcoin themed souvenir that's valued upon the material it is made out of?  Huh

I'd take issue with that.  It is not at all a souvenir.  It is a currency, and not only is it bitcoin themed it has a role in the bitcoin ecosystem that is currently horribly vacant.  PM's have been called the gateway "drug" to bitcoin, this takes that a step further by providing a ready means of introduction to the uninitiated.  These are specifically engineered to be out in public, in pockets, in the marketplace, and not in drawers or on shelves.

For those of us that have used silver pieces in commercial transactions you will know the most common question is "what is it worth?".  This piece has the unique distinction of providing not only a ready answer to that question, but one that is available at any time by someone who would receive it in a transaction as well.  (It also answers the question "what is a bitcoin worth?".)
I expect that these Cold Hard Cash pieces will also do a fair bit of business among those that do not use bitcoin, but the average person is less likely to know how to use a QR code than a bitcoin aficionado.  

Try this...  Go to any random cashier at your favorite store and ask them if they like gold, or silver.  Folks that deal with cash and coins daily know that if they find one of those older coins they are more valuable (because of the silver).  They have little else to keep them occupied after they know their job than to look at the coins that pass through their hands.  
The most frequent way to use silver in a transaction is when the cashier likes silver (or gold).  They put the coin in their pocket and drop their own money in the till.  The #1 place that Liberty Dollars were used in commerce was at Walmart.  Cashiers would call you into their line if they know you were carrying silver.  WE do a pretty brisk business selling New Liberty Dollars and didn't really need to do this, but this is a new thing altogether and very exciting for all of us.  Better than the American Silver Eagles, these Bitcoin pieces can bring the hundreds of thousands of silver-stacking people into the world of Bitcoin, and more...

When the folks at the Bitcoin conference in San Jose asked me to do a Bitcoin piece, I took that mission seriously and this is the result.  It is the product of countless discussions among some of the best, experienced and most creative numismatic artists, minters and designers on the planet.  When the Bitcoin economy grows and expands and reaches new people worldwide, we all win.

These pieces are our missionaries into the already waiting world of would-be bitcoiners.  Precious metals are highly sought after money everywhere on the planet, and these pieces are denominated in all currency through the magic of the QR... but they default to bitcoin.  Smiley
legendary
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So really this is nothing more than a bitcoin themed souvenir that's valued upon the material it is made out of?  Huh

Or, in other words, a silver coin. Here's one that's nothing more than a dollar themed souvenir that's valued upon the material it's made out of:



Unless, of course, you'd spend that coin as a dollar. But why would you?
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