Topic: Bitcoin Supernode System (Read 12555 times)

I think this is a good closing comment. I indeed have been a public person ever since 2006, when I partnered O.P. in "Storm Warning for the Economy" TV-talkshow. Since that I have been featured in most Finnish tv-channels. Both the silver-cup-in-my-head and the Silverclub pose in the previous posting, are from 2011 when they tried to make a cult out of my friends. Well, they did, and we are still friends with the key players.

Just got off phone with my friend who estimated that since 2010, our influence to the world has 10-doubled. It will still increase (note: I am not suggesting that its is somehow my/our goal to increase influence), and the supernode system may or may not be instrumental in that. I think the world may be ready for it when we are 33% through towards $300k. I will therefore try to wake the supernode network up with the same parameters when bitcoin price hits $1.4 per mBTC. My friend did not believe it, but he invited me for sailing, so I kind of cannot lose.

I will lock the thread now, and resurrect it if at $1400 it still feels viable.

I wouldn't worry. It's not like reptilio had a Finnish TV station do an expose on the weird cult he's leading.


Oh, wait. That DID happen. Oh dear.

While I don't have any interest in participating in some techno-feudal system - I find it conceptually interesting.

Could you clarify who the fee is paid to and how it is managed?
My apologies if I've missed this.

It seems to me that Bitcoin's multi-key facilities offer a unique and powerful way to manage such hierarchies.
If the fee were paid to those next higher in the chain, but in such a way that it *also* required a quorum (not necessarily a majority) comprised from those paying to sign transactions - there could be advantages in terms of accountability and faith in fund management.
e.g A transaction by an Earl (from the pool of working funds provided from his viscounts) may require blockchain signatures from any 3 of his viscounts.
Perhaps a certain number of viscounts could co-sign a transaction allowing them to withdraw (most.. ie less reasonable fee) of the money they currently have under control of the Earl - in order to withdraw and form allegiance to a different Earl.
Such mechanisms would favour diplomacy and agreement - but allow more forceful action via the blockchain if diplomacy broke down.

Absent such controls - I don't see that such hierarchies would gain much scale - but if participants feel that they ultimately have a bit more control, they may be more likely to participate.

That said - the 'bible' references creep me out somewhat - and wealth is effectively an ad-hoc hierarchy in itself, so I'm not really sure why people would ally themselves into structures like this.

I don't currently believe that anyone would seriously have a different general morality. Maybe I am blind, but my experience on human behavior points me to this way. Don't kill, don't steal, do not harm ladies. I have organized meetings where it's been very easy for all to conform to these.

The court etiquette is something that does not happen in the outside world (or if does, then we are not part of those circles). We are quite open to define it according to the way we want. For me it's been really easy to behave in a very courteous way, but I have to admit it has sometimes lead to funny confrontations when e.g. I ate such a good salad during lunchtime that I want to tip the waitress more than she charged for the salad. I told, I give according to the value I received, not according to their pricing. That one went well, but in Haikko they did not cash out the tips during the allotted time, and also did not offer me a realistic way to pay the bill.

DELEGATION TO A SUPERNODE MEETING - esp. "how to find ladies"

The Supernode diplomatic invitation tells whether it is only for supernodes or with ladies. If with ladies, then it is a good conduct to bring a delegation which has equal number of both genders (like I did in Haikko and San José). It may be difficult to find ladies, but they need not be part of your supernode's backbone staff. The delegation may consist of:
- SN or his ambassador
- Attachés, who are directed by the SN
- Any family members of the above
- A Lady-in-waiting (I had 2 of these, assigned to serve my family, during the time we lived in Haikko)
- Other ladies who are invited but do not belong to SN staff (In Haikko my voice instructor was part of the Romanov gala dinner and also performed a gig with piano+voice later on the night)
- Other ladies who travel single or in groups and "happen to be there"

DIPLOMATS AND THEIR RANKINGS

10 Duke - Ambassador
15 Prince - Ambassador
20 Marquis - Ambassador
25 Earl - Special Envoy
30 Viscount - Envoy
35 Baron - Attaché 1 class
40 Baronet - Attaché 2 class
45 Knight - Attaché 3 class

There are many meetings as specified by above post. Sometimes a supernode cannot attend himself despite of invitation. It is good that we know from previously that a Duke is only a real Duke if he has 5-10 people in his command structure. If he is invited to Ducal Summit, he may decide to send an Ambassador Plenipotentiary instead. For example I have rontus, whom I can send wherever I want, and bestow on him as many bitcoins as may be necessary.

Ambassadors can be of different classes, highest is Extraordinary&Plenipotentiary, but such can be sent by Sovereign only, and in my understanding Dukes are not sovereigns (they may be if they are Duke D.G. but that is a concept still open). Ambassador-at-Large can be sent by anyone who himself is Marquis or higher, if the invitation was for Marquis-level.

So when fulfilling the meeting invitation standards, we need to evaluate, how high person was invited, and then whether he has somebody at his disposal who can be sent as high enough person. The meeting may also be such a low standard that the Duke himself is not qualified to enter (his presence would lead to e.g. security concerns, or problems with etiquette). Then he must send a delegate/-ion that contains only the right level people. For example the San Jose, I did not go, but sent Roni as Ambassador and Annina as Secretary. Their later conduct (both are still in the States, separately on their own) is also very fitting for my supernode, which is currently dissolved.

So only the Supernode himself possesses the Ducal/Princely/etc title. All his staff do not possess a title, (or if they do, they are vassal supernodes). A hypernode should have at least some people in his organization and an ultranode needs several people to work for him, so that his ultranode has a decent working. For this reason also, 3kBTC may very well be enough for a Duke, if he has actual business in multiple countries and makes money, 30kBTC may not entitle you to a Duke, if your only operation is the 100 graphics cards that you used for mining your stash, and now make litecoins.  

I suspect that the fees will go towards the benefit of the Supernode network as a whole. In such a way that the nodes will be happy to pay the fee because it will provide value to the network and also them.

BITCOIN SUPERNODE ACTIVITIES

Most of the things supernodes do (as supernodes) would be centered on meeting (each other), eating, drinking, smoking and dancing.

The Network (as its Communicating nodes) would use the following means of communicating with outside world:
Twitter, Facebook, BCT-Forum, Own forum (outsiders can read but not write all but the gamemaster side)

Internal communication would be held by phone + by Letters. A Letter is an important concept, it can be a forum post or email, but also physical mail. Letters have certain form that is almost forgotten. My Orders of the Day can be classified Letters.

Diplomatic happenings can be classified as following:
Audience - one supernode meets another physically
Reception - several supernodes are invited by one
Dinner - Ahh... these are the important parts of all diplomacy
Summit - Quite few are invited but they spend some serious high quality time together

Public events are important as marketing the supernode movement to fellow bitcoiners + bitcoin to outsiders
Meeting - anything classifies
Meetup - prearranged; more people come and there will be more impact
Retreat - rather few (5-20) people, lax program
Conference - big, like the one in San Jose
Congress - big and the program there is more strict the in conference

Large Supernode happenings consume most of the monetary resources, but also require strict planning
Ceremony - A prince is not promoted Duke without the associating pomp, no way
Feast - a common gathering of all great and small who belong to the system (freemen also invited), akin to conference but only for the SN network
Grand Feast - Now I must use a Bible reference: Esther 1: 3-8.

Training serves as an opportunity to know the things so that the social code doesn't hit so hard Also if there is anything else that requires training in the bitcoin services, how to do efficient marketing etc.

Just to give you some insight on my take on this. I would not participate, primarily because I would not like to publically disclose my net worth and secondly, because I would dislike paying 0.5%.

Good luck though

No. My thinking goes more like "if you need to pay 0.5% of your claimed bitcoins as a registration fee + be willing to spend 0.5% per month in the supernode meetings, marketing and the like, you should be able to decide whether to claim the actual rank or +/- 1".

Also, I was wondering if you were expecting nodes to conform to some sort of predefined moral standard? Like a code of conduct. Or is everyone free to act as they wish according to their own personal standards?

When I decide to qualify myself for Knight/Baronet/Baron status(assuming someone is willing to bestow the title upon me of course), is part of the procedure going to be signing a message with a bitcoin address that holds the required number of coins? Or do you have something else in mind?

I have publicly claimed to have between 2,4M and 35M mBTC since 2012. I still do. Maybe I don't feel I want the pressure of Duke even though I have the coins, or maybe I don't have the coins or want to show off. You never know.

One possibility is that there is nobody (in the beginning) above Duke. So if you buy yourself a Duke, you are also a gamemaster by the virtue. You get to spend the money you yourselves have invested. (I think my level should be between Prince and Duke.) Later as the number of dukes grows to perhaps 4, there will be reason to denominate a primus inter pares, Elector.
 
Anyone can buy the titles between Prince...Knight. There will be opportunity to be a vassal of a higher title. Freeman is an objection - because he is free, he cannot be a vassal of anyone. So in this sense Knight is the lowest title, because he is always a vassal of someone and never is anyone vassal of a knight.

Also if you are newly created Marquis, for eaxmple, and there are nobody around you, you can make diplomatic missions and exchange of letters to nearby power centers and end up forming Alliance or Friendly relations.

I think it is funny how these systems always tend to repeat the number 3 between the number of people in classes etc...

Will there be a role for vassals?

+1 on the gamemaster team.

They should not be part of the game itself though, IMO. Segregation of power/interest.

I think Nobility is perfect. Think of the myth of King Arthur and the round table. Nobility has the responsibility to be Noble, to define Nobility with Noble actions. To rule in a Noble fashion. To be humble before God and man, yet powerful in the face of avarice, corruption and evil intentions. Bitcoin is a tool that can be used for good and evil. It needs Noblemen to use it so that it isn't perceived as merely another way for evil to overcome good men.

Right now, I believe we want to start this as a worldwide real-life based game. The final mission is that the whole world uses bitcoin as money, so we have hundreds of millions of members. We start from 1. Everything we do is to try to make more members in our Supernode System, becuase that is real fun, it is the most fun GAME in the world. That bitcoin also becomes very valuable is a sidenote.

What if we just summoned 3 people as the gamemaster team and wrote the 1st rulebook. Then send the first invitation out. Divide the world to our most capable people. Then make fun that the Viscount of Ukraine (based in some town) needs his title downgraded when a Duke rises up in Kiev. These ceremonies make up a great part of fun, because they are eating, drinking and smoking events, small and cosy, and directly intertwined with bitcoin. How can you NOT make your money back with these connections.

Wow, trying to sleep..

+1.

Do you think that the Supernodes who pay their game fee to join the network should also have a limited number of invitations(amount based on rank) so that they can expand the network to people they deem worthy of joining? Like, say for example a level 21 Earl has someone that works for them and they want to have them join the network, they can burn one of their invites and have the fee waived and the person included in the network(the fees can possibly be included in the Supernodes' fee to offset the cost. I would view this more of a promotional concept and also one where the Supernodes have the ability to single out individuals who they think would bring value to the network and include them.