Topic: Bitcoin Talk account hacked any way to recover? - page 4. (Read 10931 times)

No. It is more like he went to the OP's house, paid for it and didn't get a receipt. Then the seller is claiming that he did not actually sell the TV

So, I just want to make sure I understand. According to your logic here, if someone broke in to my house, and made off with my 60" Plasma TV, then sold it to someone, I would be expected to pay the person back who bought it from the thief? Because I'm thinking that it would be confiscated, and given back to it's rightful owner. I know it's unpleasant, and financially harmful, to be taken advantage of in this way, but seriously, it's like a hostage situation, and it's somewhat ugly. I can understand completely that you want your "money" back... but fair is fair. The noblest thing to do would be to give the "TV" back. Asking to help you out by offering you something so you don't lose your whole amount? Yeah - don't blame you for trying. Expecting to get your whole purchase price back? I think that's a bit of an unreasonable request. If your car gets stolen because you left it unlocked with the keys in it, the person that the thief sold it to doesn't get to keep it just because it was "your own fault". Nor does he get to charge you what he paid for it before he returns it. At this point, any offer made to you would be generous, because no offer should have to be made. But maybe that's just my twisted logic.

Not looking for any arguments, merely trying to understand this better.

Willing to sell it to you for 0.75BTC the amount I bought it for.

First. I am not an idiot, although I made an idiotic mistake with a bad wallet. Again, my first inclinations was that the hacker was after financial data, not bullshit like forum accounts and alike. Yes I changed approximately 15 accounts maybe more very quickly..... the last thing on my mind was bitcoin talk. Even then, the account was gone as soon as I had noticed the hack into my pc via backdoor Trojan. It would have made no difference in any attempt to change password as history showed, the damage was already done on my MMNC and scryptonite accounts. On your part, YOU bought the account foolishly and without any verifications.... so does that make you a fool? no it does not, no more then it makes me an idiot. So please refrain from the name calling.... it will get neither of us anywhere.

Bump! and I am willing to sell it to him for 0.75BTC, the amount which I bought it for. Since, he was careless with downloading an infected wallet, I don't want to be liable for the same.

In fact I would be happy to restore the account for the amount, but only he isn't interested. Probably he has a few alts and he doesn't care and the account is not much valuable to him. I am only asking him, since I am not in a good financial condition myself. He also mentioned he wouldn't be paying a 'red dime' to get this account back. So, I am not very convinced he did not stage it. Even if he didn't, it still cannot be my fault. My only fault being overlooking a small part, which I regret, over other more important things at that moment.

And which idiot (no offence) will not change the password after downloading some wallet of an unheard coin and finds suitable reasons to believe that something is wrong with it?

I have watched this unfold from the beginning, and I would like to interject for a second, though I know it's probably useless. I really didn't think it would be necessary, and had hopes that "TerraMaster" would be able to recover his account without incident. I see that this is not the direction that this is heading, and feel a responsibility to speak for a friend. I know that this will probably mean less-than-nothing, but I am morally obliged to do so, and know that he would do the same for me.

I have been acquainted with "TerraMaster" for a bit less than a year now. I first "met" him in the Fujicoin thread, and continued talking in that thread, as well as pm's about various things, such as his son's senior project (mining, specifically FJC), his testing of a VTC p2p pool (which I participated in), as well as other altcoin discussions, and a couple of irc chats.

I have to say, that my perception of him is that of an honest, friendly, helpful, sincere person. I have obviously had a couple of discussions with him since this started, and I am sure it is the same person. His writing/typing style is somewhat unique, as well as his grammar, and "speech" patterns.

I am totally convinced it's the original MinermanNC. I am aware that some unknown person vouching for another is pretty insignificant in this world of cons, scams, and greed, but I felt I must say something, or feel like very unworthy friend. Take it for what it's worth.

Thanks.

I have discussed that point already a few pages back. It is what intitially I thought.

But, when the chances are your PC is compromised, a normal person will change the passwords of everything that he has accessed from that PC or stored in that PC.

I am questioning that.
My point is, staging the hack will also have the same set of incidents happening.

I just want to pick this point and add my opinion to it. The rest is pretty much between you two now. In our (not so little anymore) bitcoin world hackers typically target wallets and bitcoin related accounts. Among those are bitcointalk.org accounts. It is not commong for someone here to change their password on a regular basis. Humans are lazy. We change our passwords if we have to, if our sys admin makes us change them and if we can we just increase the number at the end. This is normal behaviour and huge security issue in larger companies. Thus its perfectly normal for a hacker to assume shared control over the account until they kick the other person out. Shared control allows for scams that would not be possible if the original owner catches wind of the hack. These include, but are not limited to taking loans with the account as collateral - risky, could be noticed - and selling the account. Almost without risk, because it can be done from an "alt" and outgoing PMs are pretty much never noticed. They can also be deleted.

Please dont read to much into it, its just an argument that its perfectly reasonable to assume a hacker does not change the password instantly.

Okay. So he once had controlled of this account.

So here is the next question:
0. Was he really the owner before me (or before the hacker)?
1. Did he stage the hack?



1. OP downloads the wallet of a coin no one has heard of, a brand new coin launched just a few days ago.
2. OP does not scan it before downloading
3. OP does not have a anti virus installed.

4. He didn't bother to change the password after finding that his system has been compromised. He waited more than 2 days, not doing what anyone else would have done? Really?
Anyone here, who wouldn't change the passwords after getting hacked?

He either didn't care, or he is very clever.

If he didn't bother about this, and this is just irrevalent to him, then I suppose he doesn't deserve this account.
0.75BTC is more worth to me than this account is worth to him.

Or he staged it, which is quite probable. The hacker waited 3 days, why? He knew he wouldn't change the password? No. There is just no hacker. Just the OP.

The above is quoted from the post where I send coins to 19TDsep1Jhm4VDkbZK28tPze3pXhDwT8V4. Below are screenshots I made while logged into TerraMiners Cryptsy account. #1 shows the transaction ID. #2 shows the deposit address.

Quickseller is cool. Very good at finding things out. IMHO it makes sense to answer their questions as best as you can.


Im not sure if this will convince you, but I was asked to log into the service where 19TDsep1Jhm4VDkbZK28tPze3pXhDwT8V4 is the deposit address and confirm the address. I will post screenshots here once I did.

Still willing to sell this to you for 0.85BTC.

I thought it is worth to you more than that.


Quote from https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/recovering-hacked-accounts-or-accounts-with-lost-passwords-497545


Well, you couldn't prove ownership properly.

Posting this so that you don't believe any image he sends blindly.
I am no idiot, and I find a good probability that he may not be a/the victim, he is claiming to be.

(Please ignore that pointer at P, forgot to take it away from there ) Didn't bother to attend to the details. Sorry.




The gap, length, etc. is exactly accurate. Not photoshopped of course.

All 3 addresses taken from 3 profiles posted in this thread. Unfortunately, Quickseller didn't have one in his profile. ;

You can create a Bitfinx account like I did and check whether you can find anything wrong.


Shouldn't have gone with big amounts, since it gives you an unreal impression. Other than that everything is perfect:



You can even check the details..
(I think I should have aavoided the .00 part. I think it doesn't appear. Never mind.)


Well, you also understand why I didn't bother to provide images of the PMs between me and the hacker/OP. It is not credible. An administrator can check my PMs.

The problem is I have less than 0.2BTC right now. 0.75BTC means much to me. I can't give that up willingly.

I don't understand why you don't send ME the proofs that you have? I still believe that the whole thing can be staged. I have been scammed once, and it was quite clever and thought out. Sorry, if you were really hacked, but even if you provide evidence that you once controlled the account, you will have to provide evidence that you did not sell it to me.
The timing is very very suspicious..

Was the password changed just once or twice?

You said you gave priority to other more relevant things, for 2 days, and didn't bother to post here, etc.

Want to know what is the circumstantial evidence that you are talking about? And why is OP being very secretive about evidence?

I am not an admin. If you want to keep the answer to my question private then don't bother giving me the answer because I am telling you now that I do not agree to keep it private.

You also need to know that a PM is not a private message, it is a personal message (a message sent to me personally). Any PM you send or receive can be read by either theymos or BadBear (although I don't think they go around reeding other people's PM's), and theymos can be compelled to provide content of PM's via a valid court order.

If you want information to remain private then you must PGP encrypt it to the recipient's PGP key

Quickseller,

I have to ask, are you an Admin or someone just passing through lol, I see you have a good trust factor in your profile. I want to respond to your last question, but only in a PM, sorry I have to be cautious,,,, ( I am the one that got hacked) or can someone like Muhammed or shorena vouch for you and then I will respond to your questions. Which are good and I would like to answer.

THX

You could have sold the account, received money for it and then later came back to claim that it was hacked.You went inactive on the account almost immediately after you supposedly downloaded malware, and then claimed your account was hacked almost immediately after you sold it.  
Like I said, it is circumstantial evidence.

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Out of curiosity, did you ever input your password, or have your password stored on your computer between the time you allegedly downloaded the malware and when it was sold?  

I am sorry. OP told not to make it public. No, it isn't Blockchain.info. If it is, OP could have sent BTC received from shorena from that address and also sign it. Like I said, it isn't really an online wallet.

Hey Quickseller,
Welcome back, lol ok,not to sound ignorant, but how could I be scamming? and how does a timeline fit into that equation.

And will someone please explain how with both of my accounts stolen MMNC and scryptonite, how it could be possible to have and own the 2 domains associated with my profiles for each account, still evident. There is no way to fake or fabricate those. ( the domains vs the image capture etc.) and remember both account passwords were changed at the same time too! initially.

Ok, I am just scratching my head a feeling a bit bewildered here lol

I appreciate your input!

Which was the name of this webWallet? blockchain.info ? If he lost his account it is his partial fault because he didn't build a correct security. Now they should find an accord because I don't think an admin will recover his account withouth a valid signed bitcoin message.