Topic: Bitcoin Tests $600 on Strong US Volume - page 2. (Read 2670 times)

It's nice to see the price rising up steadily without it being spiked up on the back of some good news (or the opposite on the back of some bad).


I think many people don't know or understand what intrinsic value means, plus something not having intrinsic value doesnt mean its worth anyless.

I feel like this piece is a good second draft.  I find the points supporting bitcoin and the points pointing out its limitations/short comings/ challenges are randomly spread out through the article rather than positive points first, negative points second or vice versa (don't know how to spell that).

I also agree he is a little confused about intrinsic value, as is everyone.  I don't have the answer, and I believe the OP does correctly point to the fact that because  bitcoin is something new and different, classical financial definitions and terminology don't apply.  We need new definitions.

Bottom line is, there are challenges ahead, but this is an unstoppable force.  I would rather have a currency back by every single participant around the globe than a currency backed by one centralized government group who can take decisions for everyone with out their input.

Can't dis community participation though.  Thanks for the article.
Peace. 

OP is a strong writer, but has a narrow perspective of what "instrinsic value" means. OP's definition is limited by the box of soon to be obsolete financial technology.

yeah, it's um.. how i'd write if i were trying really hard to appear legit/professional. i'm not hating though, that's just the thought that ran across my mind.

something about the writing style in OP just makes me like cringe, i dont know what it is though, anybody else feel like this? i have no idea why!

I think its because many of us roll our eyes when someone starts babbling on and on with technical analysis and super cool day trading terms.  It implies they think they've got the skinny on why bitcoin is at the current price, and what its going to do next, which most feel is impossible.  

-B-

I thought the op was generally informative and about right. However I dislike an immediate attack on the person as opposed to what was said!.  as regards the above comment -weekly I buy BTC on local bitcoins .com- -not dollars but for £. occasionally I sell the same way. its not as anonymous as I would like because I still have to interface with my bank which has kyc!. However not knowing but hoping the developers are cleverer than the hackers/scammers is a dampener on the network I think. For me the tipping point will arrive with either/or a reliable android app for a hot wallet and a credit card at a sensible cost.

I second these observations. My pizza cost me 0.0372 BTC today as opposed to 0.0414 last week.

Bitcoin is the preferred method for buying pizzas. Lowest transaction fee, 1 click payment and I can now successfully order pizza under a false name since the pizza man no longer sees my bank/cc details. on top of this, every BTC spent on pizza is one that won't be found by the tax man.

Laszlo was a prophet in more than 1 regard.

For me these challenges seem pretty trivial.

well, yeah, the right might be kind of clueless.. but i don't think he said anything over the top or misinformed.

It takes a really special kind of oblivious to write fluff pieces targeted to a clueless demographic, and post them to a Bitcoin message board!

You say you can "trade it for $567 real world dollars". Can you describe the process of doing that in detail? Then explain the process of acquiring more Bitcoins in detail including the identification process?

It's been another good week for Bitcoin, with prices pushing toward $600 on strong volume. Prices managed to top over $590 twice earlier in the week, before settling down to $567 early Wednesday.

The price move puts Bitcoin solidly above its 50-day moving average, which would be a bullish indicator if Bitcoin obeyed the same traditional trading metrics as other commodities, which has not been clearly established. There's still the widespread perception that simply because a market exists then Bitcoin has value, which is quite a leap. The value in Bitcoin is in the underlying technology, not in Bitcoin itself, which makes the application of traditional metrics, derived from either commodities or currency, only slightly better than a Ouija board.

Currency only has value if it's redeemable for a physical commodity, like gold, or it's backed by a government or other entity willing to support the price. Any physical commodity has some intrinsic value; even rocks can be crushed and used in the construction of roads; tulip bulbs can be planted and yield flowers; and even nitrogen, the most common element in our atmosphere, can be liquefied. Bitcoin, on the other hand, has an intrinsic commodity value of zero.

Some of our readers interpret that reality as some kind of a slam on Bitcoin, which is ludicrous. Just because Bitcoin is something new that defies traditional metrics doesn't mean it's worthless. Just because the bulk of Bitcoin's value is in the frictionless trading technology doesn't mean Bitcoin itself is not useful. While a Bitcoin may lack value in the traditional economic sense, the reality is you can still take your Bitcoin, right now, and trade it for $567 real world dollars, backed by the full faith and credit of the United States of America. That's up from just a couple of weeks ago, when a Bitcoin would only net you around $450 USD.

There are also hopeful signs in the near-term for Bitcoin, with the entrance of commercial players working on the regulatory hurdles surrounding Bitocin. There is also news that BitPay is processing $1 million dollars a day in Bitcoin payments, along with news that eBay is considering integrating Bitcoin payments with PayPal. You can tell sryptocurrencies are something substantial when companies like Western Union are trying to patent some elements of the concept.

Challenges Ahead

Still, Bitcoin faces challenges in the days ahead that are not trivial. There is still the question of whether Bitcoin developers can keep ahead of hackers and scammers and, right now, the consumer protections against Bitcoin theft are largely informal.

There's also the bigger question from the consumer point of view, of why use Bitcoin when you can just as easily pay with a debit or credit card? The answer is consumers will use Bitcoin when the items they purchase cost less. The most disruptive and exciting potential for Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies is the challenge to the stranglehold that banks have on payment processing. If vendors shave 2%-5% off the price for the people paying with Bitcoin, that's when Bitcoin will have real-world value. Until then there's little incentive for customers to slog through the technicalities and accept the associated risk.

To see sustainable growth and stability in its value proposition, Bitcoin has to grow its presence in the mobile market. Right now Bitcoin payments are shut out of both Apple and Google, although there is some indication Google is at least looking. Ironically, it may be the potential for frictionless micro-payments in Bitcoin that could be the biggest driver of growth in mobile infrastructure.

The value of cryptocurrencies is clear as is the value of the blockchain. For Bitcoin itself, time will tell. There are numerous examples in history when the first entrant into a new market is not the one that eventually comes out on top.





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