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Quote from: PandaMiner on July 12, 2011, 03:55:16 AM

I forgot to mention this earlier, because it's not really that relevant. However, the "rainbow" was attached to the lesbians a long time ago, by a lesbian group. Just as the pink triangle is attached to gay men. At least it was when I first learned about it in college, from my gay roommate. (1993)

It is a relic from when "gays" were not in the public eye too much, and they formed a (not-so-) secret symbol to identify themselves to each other with. You see a girl wearing a rainbow wrist band, or 5 gel braclets of the rainbow colors, then you knew you had a higher chance of talking to a fellow lesbian.

That doesn't mean they have a trademark on it. Rainbows and triangles are far more old than these movements. Even Nazis used triangles. On the other hand, the SA were gay, and the Nazis were pretty tolerant of lesbians. Tongue

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Quote from: Stardust on July 12, 2011, 03:47:16 AM

I like the rainbow and SI idea (I don't thin rainbow has anything to do with sexual orientation, nor do I care). I also think we can use colors and make color blind friendly at the same time.

I forgot to mention this earlier, because it's not really that relevant. However, the "rainbow" was attached to the lesbians a long time ago, by a lesbian group. Just as the pink triangle is attached to gay men. At least it was when I first learned about it in college, from my gay roommate. (1993)

It is a relic from when "gays" were not in the public eye too much, and they formed a (not-so-) secret symbol to identify themselves to each other with. You see a girl wearing a rainbow wrist band, or 5 gel braclets of the rainbow colors, then you knew you had a higher chance of talking to a fellow lesbian.

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I like the rainbow and SI idea (I don't think rainbow has anything to do with sexual orientation, nor do I care). I also think we can use colors and make color blind friendly at the same time.

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Quote from: Vod on July 12, 2011, 02:58:14 AM

You do have the proper breakdown though. 2 (space) 3 (space) 3

9.87 654 321

It wouldn't be hard to implement spaces into any GUI, and it easily identifies how significant (or insignificant) the numbers are. (Notice I stayed away from any naming references.

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Actually - I guess this is the equivalent of what has been talked about in other threads.
Using the bitcent as the relative unit for subsequent ones.

What you propose is effectively
87 bitcents
654 millibitcents
321 microbitcents

I don't support using the bitcent as the unit to base other subunits on.. but I guess it's a possibility.

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Quote from: Vod on July 12, 2011, 03:17:02 AM

Julz, I took a step back from the naming argument and proposed a simple way to identify the significance of digits. Some people identify with words, others with images. Splitting it up into 2/3/3 is a good idea because 1) we only have 8 digits, not 9 and 2) we are used to 2 digits after the decimal.

I agree with you that this spacing would conflict with the official names on the positions, but we don't need to call them by official names. After all, no one says "That $9.99 book costs 9 dollars, 9 decidollars and 9 centidollars.

We call the first two bitcents, which would be easily accepted.
We call the last three satoshi
We just need to create a name for the middle three.

Yeah.. I know I kind of ignored your statement "Notice I stayed away from any naming references."

Really.. I think the public will have enough trouble with 'satoshi' not being SI let alone adding another strange one in the mix.
Also - there's the possibility of division of BTC to further than 8 decimal places in future - at which point you'd have to create yet another non SI unit.

I guess it's a novel approach.. but I don't think it makes the maths any easier!

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Quote from: julz on July 12, 2011, 03:08:06 AM

I really think we're going backwards here.
You've broken it up at 2^-2 2^-5 and 2^-8

2^-2 is bitcents (again)
2^-8 is satoshi
but now you have a new unit 2^-5 and no you cannot call it micro(something)

Look at the chart again.

The positions of milli, micro and nano after the decimal point are non-negotiable.
Not my rules - it's the way these prefixes operate on the whole planet and always will.

Julz, I took a step back from the naming argument and proposed a simple way to identify the significance of digits. Some people identify with words, others with images. Splitting it up into 2/3/3 is a good idea because 1) we only have 8 digits, not 9 and 2) we are used to 2 digits after the decimal.

I agree with you that this spacing would conflict with the official names on the positions, but we don't need to call them by official names. After all, no one says "That $9.99 book costs 9 dollars, 9 decidollars and 9 centidollars.

We call the first two bitcents, which would be easily accepted.
We call the last three satoshi
We just need to create a name for the middle three.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_prefix for the non metric people that refuse to convert.(aside from the millions)
other goodies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication_in_the_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_%28data%29

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Quote from: Vod on July 12, 2011, 02:58:14 AM

You do have the proper breakdown though. 2 (space) 3 (space) 3

9.87 654 321

I really think we're going backwards here.
You've broken it up at 10^-2 10^-5 and 10^-8

10^-2 is bitcents (again)
10^-8 is satoshi
but now you have a new unit 10^-5 and no you cannot call it micro(something)

Look at the chart again.

The positions of milli, micro and nano after the decimal point are non-negotiable.
Not my rules - it's the way these prefixes operate on the whole planet and always will.

EDIT: fixed silly mistake - obviously should be 10^-x not 2^-x

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Quote from: PandaMiner on July 12, 2011, 02:28:11 AM

Quote from: dinzy on July 10, 2011, 04:26:53 PM

The Satoshi is a stupid unit. Make them all nano in that range. There's no need to break up the standard greek prefixes.

I was thinking why start with 3 decimal places? Most, if not all, currencies go to the 2nd decimal place, which represents 1/100th of the whole. The idea of 1/1,000th is foreign to everyday people/cultures.

I propose the following schema, which takes care of the Satoshi breaking the pattern.

9.87654321

9 BTC
87 centibits
654 microbits
321 satoshibits

But that doesn't work.
It's not 654 microbits
- it's 6 milli and 543 micro
or 6543 micro

If you're proposing that the 'micro' in your 'microbit' is not the standard SI micro.. then I don't think you'll get any agreement with that around here.

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I made one https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/9866930/1/%CE%BC?h=e442c2

and tbh i would still rather type it all out than paste that in every time.

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Quote from: PandaMiner on July 12, 2011, 02:28:11 AM

I propose the following schema, which takes care of the Satoshi breaking the pattern.

9.87654321

Colors will never work, or legally be accepted. Too many people are colorblind, and you can't normalize something if you have two definitions (location AND color) of one significant digit. In case of conflict, which one has priority - the color or the location of the digit?

You do have the proper breakdown though. 2 (space) 3 (space) 3

9.87 654 321

It wouldn't be hard to implement spaces into any GUI, and it easily identifies how significant (or insignificant) the numbers are. (Notice I stayed away from any naming references.

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Quote from: dinzy on July 10, 2011, 04:26:53 PM

The Satoshi is a stupid unit. Make them all nano in that range. There's no need to break up the standard greek prefixes.

I was thinking why start with 3 decimal places? Most, if not all, currencies go to the 2nd decimal place, which represents 1/100th of the whole. The idea of 1/1,000th is foreign to everyday people/cultures.

I propose the following schema, which takes care of the Satoshi breaking the pattern.

9.87654321

9 BTC
87 centibits
654 microbits
321 satoshibits

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Quote from: ctoon6 on July 12, 2011, 01:55:38 AM

why would we use a logo as a sign for currency? whats wrong with typing μBTC or μɃ0.69

Both have their place. I find that a strange question. When I build a UI - there are times when only an icon will do.
I can see a use for 16x16 mBTC, μBTC etc icons. Perhaps some web developers will and some won't.

As modern web designs tend towards larger cleaner interfaces - the importance of the 16x16 icon might be less I guess.

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I generally a big fan of color-coding schemes, but doesn't using colors for the 'chips' make bitcoin even more like a casino?

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Here's my attempt with a proper mu at 16x16

µB

vs

uB

ok.. so arguably the µ is better

pB

Well.. they all come out pretty bad at that scale - so perhaps my argument isn't valid..
but the p and µ do look confusable to my eye in the cruddy examples given.
An icon designer may well be able to make the distinction apparent.

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Quote from: julz on July 12, 2011, 01:50:06 AM

Quote from: ctoon6 on July 12, 2011, 01:33:55 AM

I don't see it.

That's all very well if the prefix makes up the entire icon!
Try putting it as a prefix to the bitcoin B at that size.

I'm no graphic artist - so perhaps with the right font choice it could be made distinct.

why would we use a logo as a sign for currency? whats wrong with typing μBTC or μɃ0.69

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Quote from: ctoon6 on July 12, 2011, 01:33:55 AM

I don't see it.

That's all very well if the prefix makes up the entire icon!
Try putting it as a prefix to the bitcoin B at that size.

I'm no graphic artist - so perhaps with the right font choice it could be made distinct.

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Quote from: julz on July 12, 2011, 01:16:02 AM

Well I deliberately didn't use it in the logo because when you shrink down to 16x16 for icon size - it looks too much like a p - which might be needed for picocoins.

A picocoin will never be used. That is 0.000000000001 (12 places) which is 4 more places than is currently used. That would be the equivalent of ten thousand of the smallest unit available right now - and how many things sell for 0.00000001 btc?

Of course, bitcoins will increase in value, and if one btc does become worth a million dollars or so, you may see the picocoin being used. But by that time, the community will have moved the decimal point to the right because people don't buy one million dollar items very often.

No currency will ever need 12 significant digits.

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I don't see it.

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Quote from: ctoon6 on July 12, 2011, 12:54:48 AM

sorry if someone told you his already.

USE THE DAMN MU SIGN μμμμμμμμμμμμ

NOT uTORRENT μTORRENT notice the "stick" hanging off the u. μ≠u

To type this magic letter, hold alt and press 0181 on your keypad, if you do not have a keypad or use a mac, too bad.

sorry, I do sincerely apologize, this just is my pet peeve.

Well I deliberately didn't use it in the logo because when you shrink down to 16x16 for icon size - it looks too much like a p - which might be needed for picocoins.

I sympathize somewhat with the purist point of view.. but I'm guilty of certain bias towards practicality when it comes to technology.
"if you do not have a keypad or use a mac, too bad." just isn't good enough.

In short.. yeah.. I get your peeve.. but like I've had to suck it up and tolerate American spelling and pronunciation such as 'aluminum' .. which after all - is a slow perversion of the English language Wink

maybe you'll just have to suck it up, grit your teeth and bear it?

Either that.. or lobby keyboard manufacturers to dedicate a key to it.
(Doesn't solve the fact that it'll be mistaken for p at small sizes though. Frankly I think μ is doomed as far as average joe on the internet is concerned)

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