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Topic: Bitcoin user adoption is horrible - here is why: - page 3. (Read 6361 times)

hero member
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im kind of glad its not super easy to spend bitcoin cause it keeps me from spending them. I know
I would blow a lot of btc if I could pay for everything with it. But of course the more adoption the
better

Great thinking even I am glad because if it was so easy then I wouldn't have saved any Bitcoin and I would have spent all the BTC when the value was I around $300 but happy that I have saved it now the value have shoot up I am considering to trade it bore its value slips down
sr. member
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FREEDOM RESERVE
I actually disagree. The current users are people who are money savvy - they always look for great ways to increase their wealth. But what if bitcoin attracted users a different way? Through their everyday lives? If shopkeepers provided some sort of small discount for bitcoin, bitcoin would shoot up. As in really, shoot up. We need another source of new users, and I think there are already a few that come naturally to mind.

*Coffeeeeeee...*

Yes more bitcoin retailers should be offering a discount for bitcoin spenders.  It is the only way bitcoin will be adopted by the masses.  USE BITCOIN GET 10% DISCOUNT this way millions of women will start using btc
legendary
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Beyond Imagination
I am more interested seeing that some pension funds allow people to select bitcoin as one of their investment option. Those useless bank issued funds, mostly just bring loss over time, and fund manager took a big cut in fee
sr. member
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★Bitvest.io★ Play Plinko or Invest!
im kind of glad its not super easy to spend bitcoin cause it keeps me from spending them. I know
I would blow a lot of btc if I could pay for everything with it. But of course the more adoption the
better
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 251
I actually disagree. The current users are people who are money savvy - they always look for great ways to increase their wealth. But what if bitcoin attracted users a different way? Through their everyday lives? If shopkeepers provided some sort of small discount for bitcoin, bitcoin would shoot up. As in really, shoot up. We need another source of new users, and I think there are already a few that come naturally to mind.

*Coffeeeeeee...*
legendary
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man. just buy a coffee..why do peple even need bitcoins to buy a cup of coffee... phffff....

and even so they want it.. shouldnt it be just pay bitcoins get coffee

pathetic
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I actually read about this on a news article last night. Yes it does seem to be a hassle, but thinking of it in a different way, its just one more thing that people can buy with BTC. I if you truly wanted and had the means you could BTC on a target card and buy a sweet 4K TV. Or you could even buy a delicious steak. I think this is actually a good step in the right direction.
legendary
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I too agree that these are too many steps between being thirsty and having a coffee. But if we don't go through this, we probably won't have sellers/retailers accepting Bitcoin soon... So this is a necessary evil, I think.


... it is easier to purchase goods or make a donation over the web using bitcoin than any other method of payment and it's less risky, too....


Ha, no way is any of that true. Nope, not, NO.

well your hopelessly inconclusive
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I too agree that these are too many steps between being thirsty and having a coffee. But if we don't go through this, we probably won't have sellers/retailers accepting Bitcoin soon... So this is a necessary evil, I think.


... it is easier to purchase goods or make a donation over the web using bitcoin than any other method of payment and it's less risky, too....


Ha, no way is any of that true. Nope, not, NO.
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I do think that this might be the right move. All am seeing this is the customers being introduced to the notion of the bitcoins. It will not take too long before you see them giving the customers an option to pay using bitcoins for the services thy get. In such like statements, marketing of the bitcoins is said to be successful. I am just thinking, if the whole CEO is aware that bitcoin is there and doing well, what will hinder the juniors from finding out more.
legendary
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Its definitely can be confusing and alot of steps to get and
use bitcoin. Its usually why i can't get new people into it cause
it can be very confusing to people who dont use / understand
computers and such. That coffee example definitely hurts the
cause
legendary
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Beyond Imagination
You get TV from Japan and Korea, cars from Germany, Computer from US, Airbus from France, get almost everything else cheaply from china, but Switzerland? A couple of clocks filled with diamonds selling for millions, not interested for majority of the new generation except people who have nowhere to throw their money

computers from US??
ummmmm.. apple although american offices, they make their products in china, dells consumer computing is done in asia and mexico,

so what do the swiss give the world
watches, knives, pharmaceuticals, precision engineering.

put it this way if CERN was built in america it would be made of paper-mache from McDonalds packaging, definitely wouldn't of been made using dell or apple. or made using precision engineering

Remember that Swiss central bank suddenly cut its peg with Euro this spring? They know they really don't have so many things corresponding to their money Wink

Anyway the backing is the least to worry, none of the currency's value is decided by a country's economy, it is all decided at exchange by that country's central bank with their foreign  currency reserve. And to protect the exchange rate, you need to have lots of foreign currency reserve. Soros could wipe out small country's currency like Thailand and Malaysia, even Sweden, but he was defeated at HongKong, simply because huge amount of USD reserve of China

And when someone attacking bitcoin's exchange rate, the currency reserve of all the bitcoin users are stand to protect its value
legendary
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You get TV from Japan and Korea, cars from Germany, Computer from US, Airbus from France, get almost everything else cheaply from china, but Switzerland? A couple of clocks filled with diamonds selling for millions, not interested for majority of the new generation except people who have nowhere to throw their money

computers from US??
ummmmm.. apple although american offices, they make their products in china, dells consumer computing is done in asia and mexico,

so what do the swiss give the world
watches, knives, pharmaceuticals, precision engineering.

put it this way if CERN was built in america it would be made of paper-mache from McDonalds packaging, definitely wouldn't of been made using dell or apple. or made using precision engineering
legendary
Activity: 1988
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Beyond Imagination
There are far too many people providing solutions to problems that don't really exist and this is why there'll be very few Bitcoin focused businesses that survive long term.

It could also be argued that Bitcoin itself doesn't really solve many day to day problems for first world folks however you want to frame it. It's those who are slightly outside that world who should be the ones driving it.

The biggest problem it solves is saving. Fiat money obviously can not do that due to the inflative mandate of all central banks. Before, no one really save in an inflative monetary policy, they all take loans instead. But now new generations realized that no one need to work because the over production of almost everything, so they plan for early retirement instead, so saving becomes a new trend among young people
legendary
Activity: 1988
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Beyond Imagination
If you bring billions of Swiss franc to Switzerland, you really can not get a lot of things there, that is a small country with limited physical goods and services, however many billionaires store their wealth into Switzerland just because its secret banking service
Clearly you have never been to Switzerland.  Probably never even seen a picture of the place.  Limited physical 'goods and services'? You are clearly smoking way too much crack and heroin.  You can get anything in Switzerland.

You get TV from Japan and Korea, cars from Germany, Computer from US, Airbus from France, get almost everything else cheaply from china, but Switzerland? A couple of clocks filled with diamonds selling for millions, not interested for majority of the new generation except people who have nowhere to throw their money
legendary
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103 days, 21 hours and 10 minutes.
I have to agree with you that there is horrible and to long and reliant on middle men. Bitcoin to me is meant to take us away from  the middle man and into straight transaction relying on nobody but miners and your wallet security.
I'm still hopeful all that funny business will fade away and we will make straight transaction payments with bitcoin. I do question if it currently gets enough usage to warrant that though.
sr. member
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I too agree that these are too many steps between being thirsty and having a coffee. But if we don't go through this, we probably won't have sellers/retailers accepting Bitcoin soon... So this is a necessary evil, I think.

If one starts out with a good supply of bitcoin in one's wallet, whether from mining, employment or purchase, it is easier to purchase goods or make a donation over the web using bitcoin than any other method of payment and it's less risky, too. Complexities appear only if you are living "hand to mouth" when it comes to your bitcoin wallet.  But then, many people live hand to mouth when it comes to fiat.

legendary
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Welt Am Draht
There are far too many people providing solutions to problems that don't really exist and this is why there'll be very few Bitcoin focused businesses that survive long term.

It could also be argued that Bitcoin itself doesn't really solve many day to day problems for first world folks however you want to frame it. It's those who are slightly outside that world who should be the ones driving it.
legendary
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Right, but is there any incentive to actually build those services on top of Bitcoin?
hero member
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The reason there is zero user adoption is because of lack of incentive.   Not anything else.

Everyone who thinks ease-of-use is more important that incentive has it backwards.

We have made Bitcoin easy to use many times over.   Circle was supposed to be the easiest way to get Bitcoin.  Did adoption start?

No.

Why?  Because it doesn't matter how easy something is to use if people still have no reason to use it.

You're correct that these crazy multi-faceted roundabout methods to get a coffee with Bitcoin are bad.   But they're just a symptom of the larger problem.

Products and services need to be built on top of the bitcoin protocol.  Each product/service will have its own marketing team and incentive structure.

The innovation on the layer above is where incentive is supposed to come from.  

Can the protocol itself support all the innovation that we need on the layer above?   That's the other question.

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