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Bitcoin Unlimited: Articles of Confederation

Article 1: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System for Planet Earth

https://bitco.in/forum/threads/bitcoin-unlimited-ideas-arguments-and-proposals.123/#post-2903

This is too much, I can't  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Hahahaha I'm reading that now...  Cheesy Cheesy I'm in tears.
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Bitcoin Unlimited: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System for Planet EarthFrappuccinos, Hot Dogs, and Bus Tickets

- Low fees are desirable

- Instant (0-conf) transactions are useful

TL;DR version ^^
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Bitcoin Unlimited: Articles of Confederation

Article 1: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System for Planet Earth

This is too much, I can't  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Epic laughs over there.  It's like a Swiss vault filled with comedy gold!

I can't tell if Bitcoin Unlimited is real or just a (Poe-etic) way to troll the XTurds into splitting into even smaller groups of malcontents.

Either way, it is glorious to watch Frap.doc, a former Monopolist Maximalist Supremacist, spec'ing an altcoin.    Grin

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theZerg said: ↑

    I thought that BU was additionally going to vote for 100 & 101. Is that also out of the baseline?

I still don't get what this was meant to entail?

Is it just an announcement that "we support the concept of 100 and 101" and nothing else in terms of code execution in BU? Or is the addition of bigger blocks to BU somehow dependent on the more restrictive rules of those 2 implementations?

Perhaps the term "flag" is confusing me. This usually means an "option" for an argument in Linux terms.

As an aside, I guarantee you core dev and idiots like brg444 et al are watching this discussion and are are already formulating ways to attack and lie about how harmful BU will be.

These armchair engineers don't even know what they want; their only design requirement is excluding Evil Blockstream!
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Bitcoin Unlimited: Articles of Confederation

Article 1: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System for Planet Earth

https://bitco.in/forum/threads/bitcoin-unlimited-ideas-arguments-and-proposals.123/#post-2903

This is too much, I can't  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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BIP 100 is a fucking mirage  Cheesy

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Not even BIP100 achieves 75% and they have been stable at around 60% for months already.

Everything is going swimmingly. Hearndresen ostracised, price up, XTards butthurt. 
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29/oct/2015

Monthly average closing down into <1 per thousand.

70 : 30 Votes for big blocks.


lel like them votes matters/count for anything - and especially for BIP100. Roll Eyes

if they take power, bitcoin will crash and burn, leaving them corporate farmers with peanuts and their Ph farms to rent for google or whatevs.

anyway, tolerance et al., i'd be tempted to say do it.. DO IT BITCHEZ! Grin

Miners matter. You dont. You'll get big blocks next year.

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29/oct/2015

Monthly average closing down into <1 per thousand.

70 : 30 Votes for big blocks.


lel like them votes matters/count for anything - and especially for BIP100. Roll Eyes

if they take power, bitcoin will crash and burn, leaving them corporate farmers with peanuts and their Ph farms to rent for google or whatevs.

anyway, tolerance et al., i'd be tempted to say do it.. DO IT BITCHEZ! Grin


legendary
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29/oct/2015

Monthly average closing down into <1 per thousand.

70 : 30 Votes for big blocks.
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29/oct/2015

Monthly average closing down into <1 per thousand.
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I have already explained why we have less nodes today then we did in the past. I will repeat for the third time in this discussion that SPV wallets and web wallets and an influx of "normal" Bitcoin users who are not ideologically motivated to run a full node. This and the increased difficulty is part of the reason for this decline.

We are not at a all time low in terms of node count actually, node count has increased after the launch of XT, and since then it has actually stabilized. I do expect to see a trend reversal with increased adoption as we are already partially seeing today.
You are hopeless. Yes, that's an ad hominem and a non-argument. Still, yours are non-arguments as well.
If Bitcoin does not scale to accommodate a greater amount of transactions directly then this would impact node count as well when compared to allowing increased transactional capacity, since increased adoption would also lead to an increased node count, therefore increasing the blocksize needs to ideally be a balancing act between actual adoption and transaction volume.

Why do you keep repeating these lies?  Angry
If they where lies you would have been able to disprove them or at least effectively argue against my claims. So far you have failed to so, which is probably why you are now just resorting to calling me a liar.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-i-support-bip101-1164464
Argument from ignorance/silence.

There's no way Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto is 6 foot.
On a serious note, I still do not understand how big blockers still don't seem to get it. We already have centralized mining, im still waiting for a convincing explanation of how centralizing the nodes would be a good idea (and this is what would happen once the blocks become too big and they will). Having to rely on offchain transactions isn't ideal, but the world isn't ideal, and it's certainly better than a group of 4 or 5 private companies owning most of the nodes.
Increasing the blocksize would not make mining more centralized. The blocksize has no impact on mining centralization whatsoever. I am not advocating centralizing the nodes either. You are correct in thinking that no solution is ideal which is why I think that increasing the blocksize is the best solution which maximizes decentralization and financial freedom compared to the other alternatives. If Bitcoin does not scale to accommodate a greater amount of transactions directly then this would impact node count as well when compared to allowing increased transactional capacity, since increased adoption would also lead to an increased node count, therefore increasing the blocksize needs to ideally be a balancing act between actual adoption and transaction volume.
Proof by assertion. That you continue repeating your opinions doesn't make them arguments.

I clearly remember discussing mining centralization with you, where you insisted it's not worsened by larger blocks, because mining centralization != pool centralization, and miners have a choice selecting a pool. Well, in the spherical cows world, I could even agree. In reality, shit gets centralized.
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I have already explained why we have less nodes today then we did in the past. I will repeat for the third time in this discussion that SPV wallets and web wallets and an influx of "normal" Bitcoin users who are not ideologically motivated to run a full node. This and the increased difficulty is part of the reason for this decline.

We are not at a all time low in terms of node count actually, node count has increased after the launch of XT, and since then it has actually stabilized. I do expect to see a trend reversal with increased adoption as we are already partially seeing today.

Yes we are.

https://bitnodes.21.co/dashboard/?days=365

Individual cases such as the one of your friend don't really matter in the grand scheme of things. The concern is with the trend. Now the trend clearly shows that the total node count, whatever the reason is, has progressively declined from its historic heights despite a clear increase in Bitcoin adoption.
Factually speaking we are not at a all time low today. In the grand scheme of things it can often be these type of individual cases that as a whole can effect the trend.
You are one sad individual....  Undecided
Of course back to ad hominem again.

hmyea.

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I have already explained why we have less nodes today then we did in the past. I will repeat for the third time in this discussion that SPV wallets and web wallets and an influx of "normal" Bitcoin users who are not ideologically motivated to run a full node. This and the increased difficulty is part of the reason for this decline.

We are not at a all time low in terms of node count actually, node count has increased after the launch of XT, and since then it has actually stabilized. I do expect to see a trend reversal with increased adoption as we are already partially seeing today.

Yes we are.

https://bitnodes.21.co/dashboard/?days=365

Individual cases such as the one of your friend don't really matter in the grand scheme of things. The concern is with the trend. Now the trend clearly shows that the total node count, whatever the reason is, has progressively declined from its historic heights despite a clear increase in Bitcoin adoption.
Factually speaking we are not at a all time low today. In the grand scheme of things it can often be these type of individual cases that as a whole can effect the trend.
You are one sad individual....  Undecided
Of course back to ad hominem again.

The truth speaks for its self.
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I have already explained why we have less nodes today then we did in the past. I will repeat for the third time in this discussion that SPV wallets and web wallets and an influx of "normal" Bitcoin users who are not ideologically motivated to run a full node. This and the increased difficulty is part of the reason for this decline.

We are not at a all time low in terms of node count actually, node count has increased after the launch of XT, and since then it has actually stabilized. I do expect to see a trend reversal with increased adoption as we are already partially seeing today.

Yes we are.

https://bitnodes.21.co/dashboard/?days=365

Individual cases such as the one of your friend don't really matter in the grand scheme of things. The concern is with the trend. Now the trend clearly shows that the total node count, whatever the reason is, has progressively declined from its historic heights despite a clear increase in Bitcoin adoption.
Factually speaking we are not at a all time low today. In the grand scheme of things it can often be these type of individual cases that as a whole can effect the trend.

You are one sad individual....  Undecided
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More laughs courtesy of Frap.doc's Island of Misfit Gavinistas, as they continue their bizarre transformation from Monopolist Maximalist Supremacists to Buttcoiners.

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I am still so disgusted by this that is it hard to get excited about bitcoin finally re-entering a bull phase.

What is also disgusting is how Peter and the rest of the BS crew are now happily talking on reddit about forking bitcoin to include their new op codes, op codes for which there neither is consensus for or full understanding on the implications. But they get to claim consensus because they've banned/censored everyone on reddit and the bitcoin-dev board.

Since this happened a few months ago I've started to re-read about various points in history when a minority of a population was able to radically re-form a society and crush all opposition. It is always the same, a small 5% somehow are able to claim authority, they then use that authority to silence/kill/drive away the 5-10% that is willing to fight back, and the other 90% just go along. The Russian revolution and following White emigre is one example, the Iranian revolution and following emigration of secular intellectuals is another (there are many more in just the past 150 years).

According to our old pal rocks, Peter Todd's CLTV soft fork is EXACTLY LIKE the Bolsheviks murdering the Czar and plunging Russia into 100 years of terror, starvation, and darkness.

And also LITERALLY THE SAME THING AS the brutal fundamentalist regime of the mullahs lobotomizing Iran's 3000 years of accumulated intellectual capital, dontcha know!

Wow, so much butt-rage...that many solar masses of butt-rage will probably collapse into a butt hole!
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MOAR sweet cream of comedy from the lolcows at the rump forum:

Gavin Andresen's post got censored "moderated" @ bitcoin-dev mailing list.

https://bitco.in/forum/threads/censorship-at-bitcoin-dev.154/

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I don't even know where to start... what a sadness.

TIL the definition of "censorship" is "moderation with which I disagree."   Roll Eyes

Gavin cens0red, bitcoin up! Grin
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Moreover this is really beside the point as node count in itself is pretty much useless as a statistic.

The real numbers we should be concerned about is the cost of the option to run a full node.

This cost unequivocally increases as Bitcoin grows.
In terms of the cost of running a full node it would still be negligible for most people in the developed world to run a full node under the BIP100 regime. Which is why I find the cost of running a full node in this case not a compelling argument for why we should not increase the blocksize.
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I have already explained why we have less nodes today then we did in the past. I will repeat for the third time in this discussion that SPV wallets and web wallets and an influx of "normal" Bitcoin users who are not ideologically motivated to run a full node. This and the increased difficulty is part of the reason for this decline.

We are not at a all time low in terms of node count actually, node count has increased after the launch of XT, and since then it has actually stabilized. I do expect to see a trend reversal with increased adoption as we are already partially seeing today.

Yes we are.

https://bitnodes.21.co/dashboard/?days=365

Individual cases such as the one of your friend don't really matter in the grand scheme of things. The concern is with the trend. Now the trend clearly shows that the total node count, whatever the reason is, has progressively declined from its historic heights despite a clear increase in Bitcoin adoption.
Factually speaking we are not at a all time low today. In the grand scheme of things it can often be these type of individual cases that as a whole can effect the trend.
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If Bitcoin does not scale to accommodate a greater amount of transactions directly then this would impact node count as well when compared to allowing increased transactional capacity, since increased adoption would also lead to an increased node count, therefore increasing the blocksize needs to ideally be a balancing act between actual adoption and transaction volume.

Why do you keep repeating these lies?  Angry
If they where lies you would have been able to disprove them or at least effectively argue against my claims. So far you have failed to so, which is probably why you are now just resorting to calling me a liar.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-i-support-bip101-1164464

lel 4 pages thread! Cheesy

such consensus..

sry, BIP 101 is dead, dead and deader.

now let us have fun in our 100+ pages thread. Grin
Because your thread has more pages it means you are right? I am not convinced, you will have to come up with a better argument then that.

Err im so not tryin to convince you about anything..
Im merely making fun of you.
If you cant even see this, man you are one specimen of a pathetic fool troll. Roll Eyes
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