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Topic: Bitcoin XT - Officially #REKT (also goes for BIP101 fraud) - page 84. (Read 378993 times)

legendary
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But that may not be necessary as Peter R, our prized blue-ribbon winning purebred spherical Holstein, just can't seem to quit us!   Cheesy

Man, I thought I was a spherical cow counter from the subartic tundra.  Now that I find out I'm actually a blue-ribbon winning purebred spherical Holstein, I'm going to have to change my /r/bitcoinxt flair again Grin:



Prize-winning purebred holstein:

legendary
Activity: 2156
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Our cup runneth over with the sweet milk of the XT lolcows!

This is just too perfect.

First, in a (/r/bitcoinxt?) post that seems to have disappeared, Gavin (to his credit) told his superstitious cult that CLTV is great and not the devil.

Then this happened.  The level of self-clowing is over 9000.

https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3sp91t/how_is_xtbip101_going_to_deal_with_cltv_v4_blocks/

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jtoomim 10 points 1 day ago

This is a problem. Because the check in Bitcoin Core is for block version greater than v3, BitcoinXT will show up as supporting CLTV when currently it does not.

The rules for BIP65 (CLTV) activation are this: At 75%, BIP65 nodes will reject blocks if they have a block version greater than 3 and if they include a transaction with the new OP_CLTV instruction incorrectly (i.e. will enforce OP_CLTV). At 95%, BIP65 nodes will reject blocks with a version of 3 or below, and will enforce OP_CLTV on all blocks. Because BIP101 nodes will be interpreted as enforcing OP_CLTV when they do not, this makes mining with BIP101 without OP_CLTV dangerous as soon as OP_CLTV reaches 75%.

I find it interesting that Core chose to use this v4 check after BIP101 and BitcoinXT had been released.

The only way I see to resolve this is to add OP_CLTV support to BitcoinXT.


Gee, that's too bad about the "the technicalities of version bits" which now allow every node to share in the fun of spoofing XT/101.   Grin

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legendary
Activity: 2156
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
I still can't see a single good reason for XT.

what are we going to talk about when XT becomes an old dead memory?

Bitcoin Unlimited and/or NG perhaps?

Now that XT is obviously a non-starter beyond all shadow of a doubt (even for the most brainwashed Gavinista try-hards), we get to enjoy the fracturing of the XTurds into mutually antagonistic/hostile subgroups.

Narcissicm of small differences guarantees they will hate each other far more than even their old nemesis, the Blockstream/Thermos/PTodd Axis of Sensor Ships!

If we get too bored, we'll simply pop over to bitco.in or the Bitcoin Judas forum to gather fresh new comedy milk from their small but productive herds of lolcows.

But that may not be necessary as Peter R, our prized blue-ribbon winning purebred spherical Holstein, just can't seem to quit us!   Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 2156
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
I'm a bit disappointed the the Winklevii seem stuck at the first base of "bitcoin is a get rich in fiat scheme". Sad news, but not wholly unsurprising :/

Don't fret my dear, the Winkles understand Bitcoin better than you do.

I've seen them speak live and in-person.  They grok crypto, and are each individually smarter than fellow Harvard grad Zuckerworm.

Together, they are going to play a large role in catalyzing the economic revolution and restoring financial sovereignty.

Leave it to you to make a 'zomg Gemini is d000med' mountain out of a courtesy molehill that is entirely within the exchange's TOS.
donator
Activity: 980
Merit: 1000
I still can't see a single good reason for XT.

what are we going to talk about when XT becomes an old dead memory?

The State and the bankster clique will keep trying to coopt Bitcoin one way or the other. In that sense it won't go away.
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
I still can't see a single good reason for XT.

what are we going to talk about when XT becomes an old dead memory?
legendary
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Terminated.
I still can't see a single good reason for XT. These long replies tend to be useless. Putting the 'free market' label on random words isn't helping you.
legendary
Activity: 1260
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fail of a corporation reversing trades now: https://archive.is/W3x7G

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On the evening of Friday, 13 November 2015, a Gemini customer notified us that they had placed a very large market order on the exchange in error.
After reviewing the trade, our account review team and executive management determined that the trade was made due to customer error, and meets our criteria for reversal as defined in our terms of service. Following this determination, we reversed each trade that resulted from the market order.
You are receiving this email because you were the counterparty to one of the trades that took place as a result of the erroneous customer order. You may notice that your account balances have changed as a result. You will also see an admin credit and debit entry in your transaction history on Gemini for the trade reversal.
Gemini customers are ultimately responsible for ensuring the accuracy of their orders before placing trades. Trade reversal decisions are made fully at the discretion of Gemini management in cases where the erroneous nature of the trade is clear, notification by the customer is swift, and the impact on all affected parties has been considered and weighed.
We understand you may have questions related to this trade reversal, and encourage you to write us with any questions or concerns you may have.
Thanks,
Gemini Support


thats how the statist noobs wanted it, thats is how they'll get it.

I'm a bit disappointed the the Winklevii seem stuck at the first base of "bitcoin is a get rich in fiat scheme". Sad news, but not wholly unsurprising :/

so many unsurprising things.
donator
Activity: 980
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legendary
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fail of a corporation reversing trades now: https://archive.is/W3x7G

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On the evening of Friday, 13 November 2015, a Gemini customer notified us that they had placed a very large market order on the exchange in error.
After reviewing the trade, our account review team and executive management determined that the trade was made due to customer error, and meets our criteria for reversal as defined in our terms of service. Following this determination, we reversed each trade that resulted from the market order.
You are receiving this email because you were the counterparty to one of the trades that took place as a result of the erroneous customer order. You may notice that your account balances have changed as a result. You will also see an admin credit and debit entry in your transaction history on Gemini for the trade reversal.
Gemini customers are ultimately responsible for ensuring the accuracy of their orders before placing trades. Trade reversal decisions are made fully at the discretion of Gemini management in cases where the erroneous nature of the trade is clear, notification by the customer is swift, and the impact on all affected parties has been considered and weighed.
We understand you may have questions related to this trade reversal, and encourage you to write us with any questions or concerns you may have.
Thanks,
Gemini Support


thats how the statist noobs wanted it, thats is how they'll get it.

I'm a bit disappointed the the Winklevii seem stuck at the first base of "bitcoin is a get rich in fiat scheme". Sad news, but not wholly unsurprising :/
hero member
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off-topic and I am sorry but I could not help myself. Why did satoshi ever stop posting visiting us?
There are many theories of this. One of them is can Bitcoin continue to function without centralized control? By leaving us he in effect left Bitcoin leaderless and that is by design. This block size issue is likely to be the perfect test since the community has no choice but to implement a hard fork. If Bitcoin survives this it will come out way stronger, there is however also a significant chance that block size issue will turn Bitcoin into a failed experiment.  By the way I would not consider your post off topic at all.
Here is the blocksize thread from 2010, it certainly is interesting to read: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/patch-increase-block-size-limit-1347
legendary
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"When they came for FN I said nothing, because I didn't want to lose my invitations to popular cocktail parties..."

 Roll Eyes

YMMV, but I welcome the wrath of the SJW and do not fear their weapons of xenophobia/racism accusations, nor their threats of social ostracism.

Tolerating and facilitating intentional communities bound by tradition and ethnicity is the epitome of libertarianism/minachy.

What sets the movement back is the knee-jerk finger wagging by the Professional Libertarians and Undergraduate Anarchists about open borders Right Fucking Now No Matter What and the mandatory cultural atomicity thereby required/entailed.

French people in France have every right to national self-determination.  Tranzi Eurocrats in Brussels have no right to force them to open their borders to millions of non-French who are culturally hostile to the foundational ideals of La Republic.

I'm a whole load of yes and no about all of that. Sure, tolerate the intolerable, but within limits, and it's heavily context dependent also. At the end of the day, the bunker strategy is not actually rational, and only limits the freedom of people, replaced with more state control. Sounds like more anti-libertarianism to me, but I'm a bit of a beginner on the topic.
sr. member
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Satoshi decided for us. Should we tear apart the whole thing and have it rewritten by "the economic majority"?

The will of the economic majority is more important then Satoshi's vision. Invoking Satoshi's vision surely must be a mistake on your behalf however since he did support increasing the blocksize:

Quote from: Satoshi Nakamoto
While I don't think Bitcoin is practical for smaller micropayments right now, it will eventually be as storage and bandwidth costs continue to fall.  If Bitcoin catches on on a big scale, it may already be the case by that time.  Another way they can become more practical is if I implement client-only mode and the number of network nodes consolidates into a smaller number of professional server farms.  Whatever size micropayments you need will eventually be practical.  I think in 5 or 10 years, the bandwidth and storage will seem trivial.
Quote from: Satoshi Nakamoto
Long before the network gets anywhere near as large as that, it would be safe for users to use Simplified Payment Verification (section Cool to check for double spending, which only requires having the chain of block headers, or about 12KB per day.  Only people trying to create new coins would need to run network nodes.  At first, most users would run network nodes, but as the network grows beyond a certain point, it would be left more and more to specialists with server farms of specialized hardware.
Quote from: Satoshi Nakamoto
The eventual solution will be to not care how big it gets.
Quote from: Satoshi Nakamoto
But for now, while it’s still small, it’s nice to keep it small so new users can get going faster. When I eventually implement client-only mode, that won’t matter much anymore.
Quote from: Satoshi Nakamoto
The current system where every user is a network node is not the intended configuration for large scale. That would be like every Usenet user runs their own NNTP server. The design supports letting users just be users.

He even specified how we should phase it in:
Quote from: Satoshi Nakamoto
It can be phased in, like:

if (blocknumber > 115000)
    maxblocksize = largerlimit

It can start being in versions way ahead, so by the time it reaches that block number and goes into effect, the older versions that don't have it are already obsolete.

When we're near the cutoff block number, I can put an alert to old versions to make sure they know they have to upgrade.


Interesting with such Satoshi foresee for the need of bigger maximum blocksize limits in future, he did not put some mechanism for automatic increases, like every block reward halving = maximum blocksize limit doubling.
legendary
Activity: 1260
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fail of a corporation reversing trades now: https://archive.is/W3x7G

Quote
On the evening of Friday, 13 November 2015, a Gemini customer notified us that they had placed a very large market order on the exchange in error.
After reviewing the trade, our account review team and executive management determined that the trade was made due to customer error, and meets our criteria for reversal as defined in our terms of service. Following this determination, we reversed each trade that resulted from the market order.
You are receiving this email because you were the counterparty to one of the trades that took place as a result of the erroneous customer order. You may notice that your account balances have changed as a result. You will also see an admin credit and debit entry in your transaction history on Gemini for the trade reversal.
Gemini customers are ultimately responsible for ensuring the accuracy of their orders before placing trades. Trade reversal decisions are made fully at the discretion of Gemini management in cases where the erroneous nature of the trade is clear, notification by the customer is swift, and the impact on all affected parties has been considered and weighed.
We understand you may have questions related to this trade reversal, and encourage you to write us with any questions or concerns you may have.
Thanks,
Gemini Support


thats how the statist noobs wanted it, thats is how they'll get it.
legendary
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lmao ice whats that new profile pic? you french now?

Today, all of civilization is French.

Besides, I've always had a fondness for the elder Le Pen and more recently developed a little crush on Marine.

While not True Libertarians® anyone that sends transnational progressives and other Marxists into howling fits of rage is A-OK in my book.   Smiley

ay, cheers mon ami!

im more of a marion crush <3

Je ne peux que vous souhaitez bonne chance pour la suite. Ca va être la galère....

heh, thx, we all in the same globalist bs war against terrorism whilst being milked by them banksters...

fud is the way into the nwo.

fuckem. at least i got bitcoins.

Monde yeux...
legendary
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that break up between daughter and father is quite fishy tho.

hope marine has not sold her soul.
legendary
Activity: 2156
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
lmao ice whats that new profile pic? you french now?

Today, all of civilization is French.

Besides, I've always had a fondness for the elder Le Pen and more recently developed a little crush on Marine.

While not True Libertarians® anyone that sends transnational progressives and other Marxists into howling fits of rage is A-OK in my book.   Smiley

Dunno Ice, love ya dude, but Front National genuinely are so xenophobic that they're openly racist really. Seriously, you'll very easily get tarred with that brush.

Le Pen and her British equivalents remind me of the Fake-a-tarians that totally saturate the American media outlets; there to make the ideology look bad. There's nothing libertarian about closed borders and/or rejecting non-native workers from working in a cogent population.

"When they came for FN I said nothing, because I didn't want to lose my invitations to popular cocktail parties..."

 Roll Eyes

YMMV, but I welcome the wrath of the SJW and do not fear their weapons of xenophobia/racism accusations, nor their threats of social ostracism.

Tolerating and facilitating intentional communities bound by tradition and ethnicity is the epitome of libertarianism/minachy.

What sets the movement back is the knee-jerk finger wagging by the Professional Libertarians and Undergraduate Anarchists about open borders Right Fucking Now No Matter What and the mandatory cultural atomicity thereby required/entailed.

French people in France have every right to national self-determination.  Tranzi Eurocrats in Brussels have no right to force them to open their borders to millions of non-French who are culturally hostile to the foundational ideals of La Republic.
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1002
lmao ice whats that new profile pic? you french now?

Today, all of civilization is French.

Besides, I've always had a fondness for the elder Le Pen and more recently developed a little crush on Marine.

While not True Libertarians® anyone that sends transnational progressives and other Marxists into howling fits of rage is A-OK in my book.   Smiley

Dunno Ice, love ya dude, but Front National genuinely are so xenophobic that they're openly racist really. Seriously, you'll very easily get tarred with that brush.

Le Pen and her British equivalents remind me of the Fake-a-tarians that totally saturate the American media outlets; there to make the ideology look bad. There's nothing libertarian about closed borders and/or rejecting non-native workers from working in a cogent population.

that antisemitic xenophbic thing is nothing but preformatted socialist mainstreameries, no offense.

jean marie le pen is one of the last french war hero, he surely have seen it all and his dedication to his country has been flawless.




legendary
Activity: 2156
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
lmao ice whats that new profile pic? you french now?

Today, all of civilization is French.

Besides, I've always had a fondness for the elder Le Pen and more recently developed a little crush on Marine.

While not True Libertarians® anyone that sends transnational progressives and other Marxists into howling fits of rage is A-OK in my book.   Smiley

ay, cheers mon ami!

marion for the win <3 ^^

Smart and hawt.



10/10 would like a smootch too!
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