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Topic: Bitcoin XT - Officially #REKT (also goes for BIP101 fraud) - page 82. (Read 378993 times)

legendary
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I'm a bit disappointed the the Winklevii seem stuck at the first base of "bitcoin is a get rich in fiat scheme". Sad news, but not wholly unsurprising :/

Don't fret my dear, the Winkles understand Bitcoin better than you do.

I've seen them speak live and in-person.  They grok crypto, and are each individually smarter than fellow Harvard grad Zuckerworm.

Together, they are going to play a large role in catalyzing the economic revolution and restoring financial sovereignty.

Leave it to you to make a 'zomg Gemini is d000med' mountain out of a courtesy molehill that is entirely within the exchange's TOS.

11, confirmed.
legendary
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http://insidebitcoins.com/news/andreas-antonopoulos-trolls-are-disrupting-bitcoin-development/35829

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According to Antonopoulos, the possible fracturing of the Bitcoin community as a whole could be partially due to paid trolls who work for various government agencies around the world.

Roll Eyes

for once he does not completely deludes himself with that socialist soup he drinks as ouzo.


"creating a toxic user community" Grin
hero member
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I'm going to be nice. I'm helping the XT'ers out.

Why not propose a serious implementation of IBLT before attempting to popularise a hostile chain-fork attempt? It's clear that the latter strategy isn't working, but guess what? If you could do a successful trial of IBLT on testnet, then your position is strengthened a great deal. The mistake, as it seems to me, is to try to do it the other way round: push hard for the 8MB fork without IBLT to mitigate the bandwidth issues, when that's what all of Andresen's blocksize research was predicated on to begin with.

Why did Gavin offer an implementation of the outcome of his experiments into changing the blocksize before he implemented the fundamentals of the research?
Because the network can handle an increased blocksize without IBLT. Furthermore we should not rely on unfinished technology when faced with increased transaction volume. If it can be implemented that would be great. There is also another aspect to this which I found interesting:

Quote from: Kalle Rosenbaum
The problem, a miner solving a Bitcoin block want to get that block out to all the other miners as fast as possible. If some other miner, B, solves a block roughly at the same time, a race starts. The block that reaches a majority of the network’s hashing power first will probably be the winning block.

This means that there’s incentive for the miner to keep the block small so that it propagates the network faster. Smaller blocks means fewer transactions. Fewer transactions means higher fees for end users. Higher fees means less adoption.
Therefore if IBLT is not implemented then there will be an incentive for miners to keep the blocks smaller unless the transaction fees outweigh the benefit of doing so, which considering your position I would not think that this would be such a bad outcome.
legendary
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I'm going to be nice. I'm helping the XT'ers out.

Why not propose a serious implementation of IBLT before attempting to popularise a hostile chain-fork attempt? It's clear that the latter strategy isn't working, but guess what? If you could do a successful trial of IBLT on testnet, then your position is strengthened a great deal. The mistake, as it seems to me, is to try to do it the other way round: push hard for the 8MB fork without IBLT to mitigate the bandwidth issues, when that's what all of Andresen's blocksize research was predicated on to begin with.

Why did Gavin offer an implementation of the outcome of his experiments before he implemented the fundamentals of the research?
hero member
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Just have a look at this  Grin HAHAHA

https://archive.is/gqHB8

They managed to be simultaneously delusional and desperate in the same post. Another eXTreme achievement.  Cheesy

Oh, and Poe's Law is hitting even among their ranks. Can't tell satire any more. I can understand that feeling just fine, mind.
this is seriously funny, but off-the-reservation-batshite-crazy at the same time ... worse yet it provoked me into looking at r.bitcoinxt for the first time and my eye-balls feel dirty now Sad ... glorifying dear leader benny diktator hearn with his picture on top is more than a little creepy, just sayin guys.

So now I'm thinking, let the max_block_size float up to any unlimited size. But have a limit on how fast it can rise that makes practical sense, a rate limiter of some sort so it can grow as fast the network grows but not so fast that an attacker could game it over the medium/short term to force smaller users off the network with unrealistic hardware upgrade requirements. Ultimately though have an infinite limit to max block size in the long term, as Mike Hearn says.

marcus_of_augustus - April 10, 2013, 07:56:02 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1791022

That was from 10 April 2013. I wouldn't change much in that quote with new information since then, (you left out much that still has relevance, especially the concluding sentence, in your haste to spin your twisted angle in italicised bolded glory).

The biggest new information since then is how Gavin and Mike chose to wantonly split the community in a blatant political power grab with all their "meta" governance BS, which is just cover for their deficient technical skills ... at that point all bets were off and any hope for an amicable technical consensus based on "best effort engineering" for such a multi-variate problem. They reap what they sow and you bunch are fools for following and championing such meglomaniacal incompetents, that's all I need to know for now.

Please, I do not expect a reply from you. Your words are basically worthless, repetitive garbage, my reply was for the interested reader.
Giving people the free choice to take a different path from Core is not a power grab unless you think that all power should reside within Core. If you believe differently then that is fine, however the Bitcoin protocol does allow us all to make the free choice of what code to run.
legendary
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Just have a look at this  Grin HAHAHA

https://archive.is/gqHB8

They managed to be simultaneously delusional and desperate in the same post. Another eXTreme achievement.  Cheesy

Oh, and Poe's Law is hitting even among their ranks. Can't tell satire any more. I can understand that feeling just fine, mind.

this is seriously funny, but off-the-reservation-batshite-crazy at the same time ... worse yet it provoked me into looking at r.bitcoinxt for the first time and my eye-balls feel dirty now Sad ... glorifying dear leader benny diktator hearn with his picture on top is more than a little creepy, just sayin guys.

So now I'm thinking, let the max_block_size float up to any unlimited size. But have a limit on how fast it can rise that makes practical sense, a rate limiter of some sort so it can grow as fast the network grows but not so fast that an attacker could game it over the medium/short term to force smaller users off the network with unrealistic hardware upgrade requirements. Ultimately though have an infinite limit to max block size in the long term, as Mike Hearn says.

marcus_of_augustus - April 10, 2013, 07:56:02 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1791022

That was from 10 April 2013. I wouldn't change much in that quote with new information since then, (you left out much that still has relevance, especially the concluding sentence, in your haste to spin your twisted angle in italicised bolded glory).

The biggest new information since then is how Gavin and Mike chose to wantonly split the community in a blatant political power grab with all their "meta" governance BS,


Conspiracy BS.
legendary
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Terminated.
You saying that there is near to zero support for BIP101 is simply not true.
-snip-
I have not said that and my statement is true. XT != BIP 101. I have said that there is near zero support for XT (look at e.g. miners).
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
Just have a look at this  Grin HAHAHA

https://archive.is/gqHB8

They managed to be simultaneously delusional and desperate in the same post. Another eXTreme achievement.  Cheesy

Oh, and Poe's Law is hitting even among their ranks. Can't tell satire any more. I can understand that feeling just fine, mind.

this is seriously funny, but off-the-reservation-batshite-crazy at the same time ... worse yet it provoked me into looking at r.bitcoinxt for the first time and my eye-balls feel dirty now Sad ... glorifying dear leader benny diktator hearn with his picture on top is more than a little creepy, just sayin guys.

So now I'm thinking, let the max_block_size float up to any unlimited size. But have a limit on how fast it can rise that makes practical sense, a rate limiter of some sort so it can grow as fast the network grows but not so fast that an attacker could game it over the medium/short term to force smaller users off the network with unrealistic hardware upgrade requirements. Ultimately though have an infinite limit to max block size in the long term, as Mike Hearn says.

marcus_of_augustus - April 10, 2013, 07:56:02 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1791022

That was from 10 April 2013. I wouldn't change much in that quote with new information since then, (you left out much that still has relevance, especially the concluding sentence, in your haste to spin your twisted angle in italicised bolded glory).

The biggest new information since then is how Gavin and Mike chose to wantonly split the community in a blatant political power grab with all their "meta" governance BS, which is just cover for their deficient technical skills ... at that point all bets were off and any hope for an amicable technical consensus based on "best effort engineering" for such a multi-variate problem. They reap what they sow and you bunch are fools for following and championing such meglomaniacal incompetents, that's all I need to know for now.

Please, I do not expect a reply from you. Your words are basically worthless, repetitive garbage, my reply was for the interested reader.
legendary
Activity: 1162
Merit: 1004
Just have a look at this  Grin HAHAHA

https://archive.is/gqHB8

They managed to be simultaneously delusional and desperate in the same post. Another eXTreme achievement.  Cheesy

Oh, and Poe's Law is hitting even among their ranks. Can't tell satire any more. I can understand that feeling just fine, mind.

this is seriously funny, but off-the-reservation-batshite-crazy at the same time ... worse yet it provoked me into looking at r.bitcoinxt for the first time and my eye-balls feel dirty now Sad ... glorifying dear leader benny diktator hearn with his picture on top is more than a little creepy, just sayin guys.

So now I'm thinking, let the max_block_size float up to any unlimited size. But have a limit on how fast it can rise that makes practical sense, a rate limiter of some sort so it can grow as fast the network grows but not so fast that an attacker could game it over the medium/short term to force smaller users off the network with unrealistic hardware upgrade requirements. Ultimately though have an infinite limit to max block size in the long term, as Mike Hearn says.

marcus_of_augustus - April 10, 2013, 07:56:02 AM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1791022
hero member
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We do not not need to trust any group of developers with the future of Bitcoin, Bitcoin is trust less, if anyone introduces code we do not agree with we can always choose not to adopt it.
Having a laugh != personal attack. You might want to revisit that definition. What you said is true though. Nobody likes Hearn, XT nor the buggy code (I don't want to look for old information - it's on reddit) that he has implemented and thus there is near zero support for it.
You saying that there is near to zero support for BIP101 is simply not true, furthermore it now seems like more options are starting to appear like Bitcoin unlimited.

https://bitco.in/forum/threads/bitcoin-unlimited-ideas-arguments-and-proposals.123/#post-2903
legendary
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-snip-
We do not not need to trust any group of developers with the future of Bitcoin, Bitcoin is trust less, if anyone introduces code we do not agree with we can always choose not to adopt it.
Having a laugh != personal attack. You might want to revisit that definition. What you said is true though. Nobody likes Hearn,

Nobody is listening to you and your ad hominem laughter, but many listen to Mike.
legendary
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Terminated.
-snip-
We do not not need to trust any group of developers with the future of Bitcoin, Bitcoin is trust less, if anyone introduces code we do not agree with we can always choose not to adopt it.
Having a laugh != personal attack. You might want to revisit that definition. What you said is true though. Nobody likes Hearn, XT nor the buggy code (I don't want to look for old information - it's on reddit) that he has implemented and thus there is near zero support for it.
hero member
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Just have a look at this  Grin HAHAHA

https://archive.is/gqHB8

They managed to be simultaneously delusional and desperate in the same post. Another eXTreme achievement.  Cheesy
It's probably the same person that helps Peter Rtroll write his papers. Cheesy There was a time when one could actually discuss with them, but now it is just getting silly.
Such ad hominem threads like this one will never convince a majority in the bitcoin community. Your 'strategy' won't work.
It does seem like all they have doing over the last page is conduct personal attacks on Mike, Hearn and Peter R, which I personally think are unjustified and are mostly comprised of taking what they said out of context. Furthermore I actually think it is irrelevant what these people believe or what their motivations are. What matters is what is in the code, their actions and the content of their arguments related to the code that they advocate. We do not not need to trust any group of developers with the future of Bitcoin, Bitcoin is trust less, if anyone introduces code we do not agree with we can always choose not to adopt it.
legendary
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Just have a look at this  Grin HAHAHA

https://archive.is/gqHB8

They managed to be simultaneously delusional and desperate in the same post. Another eXTreme achievement.  Cheesy
It's probably the same person that helps Peter Rtroll write his papers. Cheesy There was a time when one could actually discuss with them, but now it is just getting silly.

Such ad hominem threads like this one will never convince a majority in the bitcoin community. Your 'strategy' won't work.

Sure, the majority seems overwhelming in this subreddit... Grin
legendary
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Just have a look at this  Grin HAHAHA

https://archive.is/gqHB8

They managed to be simultaneously delusional and desperate in the same post. Another eXTreme achievement.  Cheesy
It's probably the same person that helps Peter Rtroll write his papers. Cheesy There was a time when one could actually discuss with them, but now it is just getting silly.

Such ad hominem threads like this one will never convince a majority in the bitcoin community. Your 'strategy' won't work.
legendary
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Terminated.
Just have a look at this  Grin HAHAHA

https://archive.is/gqHB8

They managed to be simultaneously delusional and desperate in the same post. Another eXTreme achievement.  Cheesy
It's probably the same person that helps Peter Rtroll write his papers. Cheesy There was a time when one could actually discuss with them, but now it is just getting silly.
legendary
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Just have a look at this  Grin HAHAHA

https://archive.is/gqHB8

They managed to be simultaneously delusional and desperate in the same post. Another eXTreme achievement.  Cheesy

Oh, and Poe's Law is hitting even among their ranks. Can't tell satire any more. I can understand that feeling just fine, mind.

ROFLCOPTER
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
Just have a look at this  Grin HAHAHA

https://archive.is/gqHB8

They managed to be simultaneously delusional and desperate in the same post. Another eXTreme achievement.  Cheesy

Oh, and Poe's Law is hitting even among their ranks. Can't tell satire any more. I can understand that feeling just fine, mind.

this is seriously funny, but off-the-reservation-batshite-crazy at the same time ... worse yet it provoked me into looking at r.bitcoinxt for the first time and my eye-balls feel dirty now Sad ... glorifying dear leader benny diktator hearn with his picture on top is more than a little creepy, just sayin guys.
legendary
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Just have a look at this  Grin HAHAHA

https://archive.is/gqHB8

They managed to be simultaneously delusional and desperate in the same post. Another eXTreme achievement.  Cheesy

Oh, and Poe's Law is hitting even among their ranks. Can't tell satire any more. I can understand that feeling just fine, mind.


"But their huge egos caused them to use a 95% threshold! "

lmao.
donator
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Just have a look at this  Grin HAHAHA

https://archive.is/gqHB8

They managed to be simultaneously delusional and desperate in the same post. Another eXTreme achievement.  Cheesy

Oh, and Poe's Law is hitting even among their ranks. Can't tell satire any more. I can understand that feeling just fine, mind.
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