"Bitcoin" XT Status Update - page 5.

Nxtblg

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 17, 2015, 08:35:24 AM

Quote from: Nxtblg on August 17, 2015, 08:22:34 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 16, 2015, 03:24:46 PM

So much for respecting the precautionary principle ("the burden of proof that it is not harmful falls on those taking an action").

Isn't that the one which - if it had been around as of the mid-1960s - would have nixed the Apollo moon-landing program?

No, it's the one of the good engineering practices that made Apollo a success.

I had a hunch that you'd move the goal posts...

...Anyhoo, this is the cryptocurrency frontier: I won't get captious over whatever principle you use to keep your own boat afloat. It's just that in the wide wide world of Big-Government Realville, the "precautionary principle" devolves quite easily into the "Nervous Nellie Principle" and/or the "EPA Shenanigan Principle." But as I stipulated, this observation ain't pertinent to the cryptocurrency frontier.

iCEBREAKER

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: Nxtblg on August 17, 2015, 08:22:34 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 16, 2015, 03:24:46 PM

So much for respecting the precautionary principle ("the burden of proof that it is not harmful falls on those taking an action").

Isn't that the one which - if it had been around as of the mid-1960s - would have nixed the Apollo moon-landing program?

No, it's the one of the good engineering practices that made Apollo a success.

Nxtblg

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 16, 2015, 03:24:46 PM

So much for respecting the precautionary principle ("the burden of proof that it is not harmful falls on those taking an action").

Isn't that the one which - if it had been around as of the mid-1960s - would have nixed the Apollo moon-landing program?

canth

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 16, 2015, 09:50:56 PM

There is no "censorship" here to justify. Cut the "this feels so wrong" diva crap, Meryl Streep. Cheesy

That "90% of /r/Bitcoin users" is exactly the trendy faddish mob I was talking about, and their daft opinions in no way satisfy the precautionary principle. Not that you GAF about that old thing!

Even *IF* thermos needed or wanted to justify his moderation, argumentum ad populum would be a poor way to do it.

Why not? Because

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TALKING ABOUT BITCOIN, EVEN IF IN A GROUP, DOES NOT MAKE YOU PART OF BITCOIN.

Well, I'm unsubscribed, so I guess no - I don't GAF about r/bitcoin. The real question is why Theymos gives such a damn about people wanting to discuss things that impact, oh, Bitcoin.

canth

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Quote from: balu2 on August 16, 2015, 10:00:28 PM

Quote from: canth on August 16, 2015, 09:21:55 PM

How far has bitcoin fallen that censorship is justified?

So you say that and in the same sentence support a censorship within Bitcoin (blacklisting)? You don't make any sense at all. You can't be anti-censorship and support XT at the same time.

Focus people, focus. Point me to a piece of code in Bitcoin/BitcoinXT that involves blacklists rather than some conjecture about what evil Hearn is going to do in the future when he's got 'full control of Bitcoin Inc'.

balu2

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Quote from: canth on August 16, 2015, 09:21:55 PM

How far has bitcoin fallen that censorship is justified?

So you say that and in the same sentence support a censorship within Bitcoin (blacklisting)? You don't make any sense at all. You can't be anti-censorship and support XT at the same time.

iCEBREAKER

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: canth on August 16, 2015, 09:21:55 PM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 16, 2015, 03:24:46 PM

Quote from: canth on August 16, 2015, 07:54:21 AM

Some deep analysis there. Not. C'mon...that's the best you've got?

Patience, my dear. "Deep analysis" might take a day or two. Wink

Meanwhile, any response to the immediately obvious red flags, like

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Conspicuous by its absence from the README is that (AFAICT from the commit comment) incoming clearnet connections will kick a Tor peer off. /u/luke-jr pointed this out below. So don't just trust the description of diffs.

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You rushed out to join the trendy XT fad before knowing WTF is in it. So much for respecting the precautionary principle ("the burden of proof that it is not harmful falls on those taking an action"). No wonder you are now so defensive about it! Grin

"If 90% of /r/Bitcoin users find these policies to be intolerable, then I want these 90% of /r/Bitcoin users to leave."
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h9cq4/its_time_for_a_break_about_the_recent_mess/

If we as a community have come to needing to ban discussion on something that most of the community feels is important enough to talk about, something has seriously gone downhill. Want to call XT an altcoin? Gavincoin? CIACoin? Fine...bring it on. It is only reddit and only one subreddit at that, but this feels so wrong. How far has bitcoin fallen that censorship is justified?

There is no "censorship" here to justify. Cut the "this feels so wrong" diva crap, Meryl Streep. Cheesy

That "90% of /r/Bitcoin users" is exactly the trendy faddish mob I was talking about, and their daft opinions in no way satisfy the precautionary principle. Not that you GAF about that old thing!

Even *IF* thermos needed or wanted to justify his moderation, argumentum ad populum would be a poor way to do it.

Why not? Because

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TALKING ABOUT BITCOIN, EVEN IF IN A GROUP, DOES NOT MAKE YOU PART OF BITCOIN.

canth

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 16, 2015, 03:24:46 PM

Quote from: canth on August 16, 2015, 07:54:21 AM

Some deep analysis there. Not. C'mon...that's the best you've got?

Patience, my dear. "Deep analysis" might take a day or two. Wink

Meanwhile, any response to the immediately obvious red flags, like

Quote

Conspicuous by its absence from the README is that (AFAICT from the commit comment) incoming clearnet connections will kick a Tor peer off. /u/luke-jr pointed this out below. So don't just trust the description of diffs.

?

You rushed out to join the trendy XT fad before knowing WTF is in it. So much for respecting the precautionary principle ("the burden of proof that it is not harmful falls on those taking an action"). No wonder you are now so defensive about it! Grin

"If 90% of /r/Bitcoin users find these policies to be intolerable, then I want these 90% of /r/Bitcoin users to leave."
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h9cq4/its_time_for_a_break_about_the_recent_mess/

If we as a community have come to needing to ban discussion on something that most of the community feels is important enough to talk about, something has seriously gone downhill. Want to call XT an altcoin? Gavincoin? CIACoin? Fine...bring it on. It is only reddit and only one subreddit at that, but this feels so wrong. How far has bitcoin fallen that censorship is justified?

iCEBREAKER

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: canth on August 16, 2015, 07:54:21 AM

Some deep analysis there. Not. C'mon...that's the best you've got?

Patience, my dear. "Deep analysis" might take a day or two. Wink

Meanwhile, any response to the immediately obvious red flags, like

Quote

Conspicuous by its absence from the README is that (AFAICT from the commit comment) incoming clearnet connections will kick a Tor peer off. /u/luke-jr pointed this out below. So don't just trust the description of diffs.

?

You rushed out to join the trendy XT fad before knowing WTF is in it. So much for respecting the precautionary principle ("the burden of proof that it is not harmful falls on those taking an action"). No wonder you are now so defensive about it! Grin

canth

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on August 16, 2015, 01:01:26 AM

Quote from: BitcoinEXpress on August 16, 2015, 12:54:34 AM

Quote from: canth on August 15, 2015, 09:52:10 PM

Quote from: BitcoinEXpress on August 15, 2015, 09:43:56 PM

Quote from: canth on August 15, 2015, 09:18:33 PM

How so? I'm running an XT node (as well as a bitcoin core / armory node and several SPV wallets).

1. Centralized - My node is not centralized or under the control of any centralized company. Matter of fact, I rely upon ~ 4 different wallet maintainers.
2. Blacklisting - Other than luke-jr, who is blacklisting?
3. Tracking - Bitcoin works over Tor/I2p/VPN. Whether you use a full node or SPV, you can maintain privacy if you desire that.
4. Banning - huh? that's r/bitcoin maybe. Not Bitcoin.

You need a serious Koolaid detox intervention asap.

Banning or blacklisting for illegal activities or any activity any reason one a select few deem so is banning regardless of how you label it.

~BCX~

Who or what is being banned or blacklisted by whom? Srsly, I don't know what you're talking about.

Haven't really bother in looking at Bitcoin XT beyond just downloading and running blindly I see.

Dig a little deeper then come back and talk.

~BCX~

Here you go; hope this helps answer your questions.

Five XT Secrets Mike Hearn Doesn't Want You To Know

Some deep analysis there. Not. C'mon...that's the best you've got?

iCEBREAKER

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: BitcoinEXpress on August 16, 2015, 12:54:34 AM

Quote from: canth on August 15, 2015, 09:52:10 PM

Quote from: BitcoinEXpress on August 15, 2015, 09:43:56 PM

Quote from: canth on August 15, 2015, 09:18:33 PM

How so? I'm running an XT node (as well as a bitcoin core / armory node and several SPV wallets).

1. Centralized - My node is not centralized or under the control of any centralized company. Matter of fact, I rely upon ~ 4 different wallet maintainers.
2. Blacklisting - Other than luke-jr, who is blacklisting?
3. Tracking - Bitcoin works over Tor/I2p/VPN. Whether you use a full node or SPV, you can maintain privacy if you desire that.
4. Banning - huh? that's r/bitcoin maybe. Not Bitcoin.

You need a serious Koolaid detox intervention asap.

Banning or blacklisting for illegal activities or any activity any reason one a select few deem so is banning regardless of how you label it.

~BCX~

Who or what is being banned or blacklisted by whom? Srsly, I don't know what you're talking about.

Haven't really bother in looking at Bitcoin XT beyond just downloading and running blindly I see.

Dig a little deeper then come back and talk.

~BCX~

Here you go; hope this helps answer your questions.

Five XT Secrets Mike Hearn Doesn't Want You To Know

BitcoinEXpress

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Quote from: canth on August 15, 2015, 09:52:10 PM

Quote from: BitcoinEXpress on August 15, 2015, 09:43:56 PM

Quote from: canth on August 15, 2015, 09:18:33 PM

How so? I'm running an XT node (as well as a bitcoin core / armory node and several SPV wallets).

1. Centralized - My node is not centralized or under the control of any centralized company. Matter of fact, I rely upon ~ 4 different wallet maintainers.
2. Blacklisting - Other than luke-jr, who is blacklisting?
3. Tracking - Bitcoin works over Tor/I2p/VPN. Whether you use a full node or SPV, you can maintain privacy if you desire that.
4. Banning - huh? that's r/bitcoin maybe. Not Bitcoin.

You need a serious Koolaid detox intervention asap.

Banning or blacklisting for illegal activities or any activity any reason one a select few deem so is banning regardless of how you label it.

~BCX~

Who or what is being banned or blacklisted by whom? Srsly, I don't know what you're talking about.

Haven't really bother in looking at Bitcoin XT beyond just downloading and running blindly I see.

Dig a little deeper then come back and talk.

~BCX~

canth

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Quote from: tokeweed on August 15, 2015, 09:56:24 PM

Quote from: canth on July 17, 2015, 07:21:42 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on July 17, 2015, 06:55:18 AM

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~~Bitcoin XT~~ Gavincoin Status Update

Please fix title.

It's funny that those who likely contribute very little to the community manage to disrespect someone like Gavin that committed thousands of lines of code improving the very thing that we all rely on. Rather pathetic, if you ask me.

My banker doesn't think so. It's a public service.

I was gonna write some code for bitcoin-core, but then I got high. Oooh wee oooh. I was gonna go to a bitcoin meetup but then I got high. Now all I do is troll on bitcointalk and you know why? Because I got high, because I got high, because I got high. La la la la...

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Life, Love and Laughter...

Quote from: canth on July 17, 2015, 07:21:42 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on July 17, 2015, 06:55:18 AM

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~~Bitcoin XT~~ Gavincoin Status Update

Please fix title.

It's funny that those who likely contribute very little to the community manage to disrespect someone like Gavin that committed thousands of lines of code improving the very thing that we all rely on. Rather pathetic, if you ask me.

My banker doesn't think so. It's a public service.

canth

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Quote from: BitcoinEXpress on August 15, 2015, 09:43:56 PM

Quote from: canth on August 15, 2015, 09:18:33 PM

How so? I'm running an XT node (as well as a bitcoin core / armory node and several SPV wallets).

1. Centralized - My node is not centralized or under the control of any centralized company. Matter of fact, I rely upon ~ 4 different wallet maintainers.
2. Blacklisting - Other than luke-jr, who is blacklisting?
3. Tracking - Bitcoin works over Tor/I2p/VPN. Whether you use a full node or SPV, you can maintain privacy if you desire that.
4. Banning - huh? that's r/bitcoin maybe. Not Bitcoin.

You need a serious Koolaid detox intervention asap.

Banning or blacklisting for illegal activities or any activity any reason one a select few deem so is banning regardless of how you label it.

~BCX~

Who or what is being banned or blacklisted by whom? Srsly, I don't know what you're talking about.

BitcoinEXpress

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Quote from: canth on August 15, 2015, 09:18:33 PM

How so? I'm running an XT node (as well as a bitcoin core / armory node and several SPV wallets).

1. Centralized - My node is not centralized or under the control of any centralized company. Matter of fact, I rely upon ~ 4 different wallet maintainers.
2. Blacklisting - Other than luke-jr, who bloa
3. Tracking - Bitcoin works over Tor/I2p/VPN. Whether you use a full node or SPV, you can maintain privacy if you desire that.
4. Banning - huh? that's r/bitcoin maybe. Not Bitcoin.

You need a serious Koolaid detox intervention asap.

Banning or blacklisting for illegal activities or any activity any reason a select few deem so, is banning regardless of how you label it.

~BCX~

canth

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Quote from: BitcoinEXpress on August 15, 2015, 09:11:25 PM

Bitcoin XT Update:

It's still Crypto-Paypal

1. Centralized
2. Blacklisting
3. Tracking
4. Banning

All at the whim of a select few.

Correct me if I am wrong.

~BCX~

Added: Let's not even get into the technical or exploit potential.

How so? I'm running an XT node (as well as a bitcoin core / armory node and several SPV wallets).

1. Centralized - My node is not centralized or under the control of any centralized company. Matter of fact, I rely upon ~ 4 different wallet maintainers.
2. Blacklisting - Other than luke-jr, who bloa
3. Tracking - Bitcoin works over Tor/I2p/VPN. Whether you use a full node or SPV, you can maintain privacy if you desire that.
4. Banning - huh? that's r/bitcoin maybe. Not Bitcoin.

BitcoinEXpress

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Bitcoin XT Update:

It's still Crypto-Paypal

1. Centralized
2. Blacklisting
3. Tracking
4. Banning

All at the whim of a select few.

Correct me if I am wrong.

~BCX~

Added: Let's not even get into the technical or exploit potential.

canth

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Heh...or it could just be trading in general. Last Saturday the market took a dump without any XT debate, so it's hard to say that this has anything to do with forks. Even so, let's say I agree - $4 is pretty trivial.

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The traders decide what is bitcoin, and what is not bitcoin. (Adam Smith, The wealth of nations, 1776, page 1)

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