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Quote from: hilariousetc on May 28, 2020, 03:37:45 AM

I don't think hacking is the obvious one. What a mighty coincidence it would be that someone's account only gets hacked after they die.

Realistically speaking - no - the way you put it.
But my objection was more towards the imposter being in control from the beginning. I just don't see that.

Quote from: hilariousetc on May 28, 2020, 03:37:45 AM

Of course one of his family members retrieving the funds and account is also plausible as someone suggested elsewhere, but then that would mean one of his family members is the sort of scumbag that would do this, which is less likely than he just gave his account to someone he spoke to online.

We can agree to leave his family out of this, and go back to the main question:

"Did Bruno voluntarily give access to his account?" [for money or without]
My line of thinking indicates a solid "no", for various reasons, the main one being the failed Gleb account sale.

But since we are at it, how plausible would an inside job scenario be, just to smear Bruno's account and contribution, for constantly busting scam-friendly alt accounts?
Pretty hilarious bud, I know. Wink

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Quote from: snipie on May 28, 2020, 07:30:39 AM

I said that exception since Gleb is no longer related to Bruno from 2 years.
Buying accounts isn't prohibited in the forum, same goes for having it as collateral. Since Suchmoon is controlling that account, then it is his property and no longer Bruno's one.
For the other 3 accounts, that we are aware about, there is no sign that it changed hands hence it is the property of a deceased person, hacked in a way or another by a strange guy claiming to be a dead person. Such impersonation shouldn't be allowed (exactly like satoshi's account) and the accounts should be locked (or banned).
Now if a Bruno's close relative (inheritance?) wants to control the account or what we supposed to be a hacker claims he bought the account, then they should prove it (solid proof) and handling the account to them could be discussed.

Sure, but someone could have purchased Gleb's accounts behind the scenes therefore they're now arguably the 'legitimate' property of someone else. Proving it would be easy to fake so I'm not sure what would be valid evidence. Currently there's no forum policy on what happens to the accounts of the deceased but maybe now's time to discuss it, and especially the ramifications of what could happen when we allow them to be either locked of transferred, but going by theymos' post below he'll probably largely keep out of it and let the forum police itself on these matters:

Quote from: theymos on April 13, 2020, 03:04:20 PM

Is it 100% confirmed that he died? That everhere.com site kind of looks like a scam... Though based on Bruno's recent posts, it seems plausible.

In general, giving titles/badges to users who died is difficult/problematic. It's almost a sort of "KYC", since death is inextricably linked to one's physical identity. It also opens several cans of worms: for example, should the account be locked after the person died? If so, it prevents their heirs from accessing PMs or even selling the account (which is allowed). If not, then you'd have users actively posting while wearing "RIP" badges.

I'm not going to do it regularly, but I'll make an exception here and give VIP status & a custom title to Phinnaeus Gage and Gleb Gamow. However, I know that these accounts changed hands in the past, and maybe arrangements have been for this to happen again in the future; therefore, if either account ever posts in the future, I will remove this stuff from the account.

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Quote from: snipie on May 27, 2020, 07:31:54 AM

I believe after TECSHARE intervention there is no need for more discussion:

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I called the Boersma Funeral Home, and the person who answered confirmed that he knew Bruno, and he had passed. I just thought people would like to know so we can end the speculation about Bruno himself.

There is enough evidence that the account is controlled by another person claiming to be Bruno ("dead") and until proven otherwise, i call for a permaban or a lock for all Bruno's accounts (except maybe Gleb which is controlled by suchmoon normally).
Can we lock the topic?

Why would that account be exempt from banning though? Why wouldn't whoever has access to his other accounts now be allowed to keep them? Maybe someone bought his accounts like suchmoon did, but would that mean they're allowed to keep them until they do something bad with them? Banning/locking the accounts of the deceased is a complex issue but it doesn't look like we've got an official forum policy on it from theymos, but I don't think they should be locked on a whim.

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Quote from: Cryptotourist on May 27, 2020, 04:42:09 AM

Well, that's your opinion, not mine.
I'm seeing two different personalities here, based on what I read and feel, exactly as I already mentioned.

What needs connecting, is the dots after Bruno's death.
I believe he was in control till then, and his death synced in just fine.

So the main question remains, hacked or sold?
Hacked is the obvious reply, all things considered.

I don't think hacking is the obvious one. What a mighty coincidence it would be that someone's account only gets hacked after they die. Of course one of his family members retrieving the funds and account is also plausible as someone suggested elsewhere, but then that would mean one of his family members is the sort of scumbag that would do this, which is less likely than he just gave his account to someone he spoke to online.

Quote from: snipie on May 27, 2020, 07:31:54 AM

I believe after TECSHARE intervention there is no need for more discussion:

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Quote from: YOSHIE on May 27, 2020, 01:05:19 PM

Quote from: Timelord2067 on May 27, 2020, 03:38:56 AM

@Yoshi forgot one key thing in his photos comparison - beards don't grow that fast.

yes, I didn't compare @Bruno's beard, because in the first photo he posted, while in the hospital, it didn't show a bearded photo, but @Phinnaeus Gage said it was the latest photo at the moment.
If it is true that it is @Bruno's I think it was taken before @Bruno's performed brain surgery, still in early treatment at the hospital.

Agreed - I'd say that's very likely.

Quote from: Timelord2067 on May 27, 2020, 03:38:56 AM

In Bruno's pre-death Plead pic he was scruffy, but mostly clean shaven. However, a month post-death, Bruno's grown his full beard again. Anyone wanna bet the pic came from Bruno's phone and was taken months ago?

not sure, @Phinnaeus Gage can get his latest photo from Bruno, except @Phinnaeus Gage took 80s photos when Bruno didn't have a beard.
No new photos and no active accounts after @Bruno's was declared dead, except the current account is held by frauds and prostitutes.

I'm working on something for the Known Alts thread at the moment, hopefully I can get it done before tomorrow. (this is to identify any other alts Bruno may have had which the hacker may also have gained access to and will likely go on to scam here).

At the moment, I think we need to "follow the money" and see where the Plead donation funds went.

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on May 27, 2020, 03:38:56 AM

@Yoshi forgot one key thing in his photos comparison - beards don't grow that fast.

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Whoever is behind this scam is going to be sorry. The cheat never came back because we already knew he was a fake.
The members who donated the money to donate to someone who died do not even realize that it is just another benefit. He is still alive on earth but his soul is burning in hell. He will pay for what he has done. Whether he gets back or uses the alt account, he might create another scene and what a fuss.

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Rest in peace brother Bruno and let this fake Bruno to die in hell, F you MF. It's sad that Bruno's account ended up this way. May be theymos can consider locking Phinnaeus Gage account, also restore the text that was in this post. Those last words from Bruno are important part of the history of bitcointalk.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on May 27, 2020, 03:35:00 AM

Quote from: Cryptotourist on May 26, 2020, 11:41:03 PM

I think we are witnessing two different series of events.

1. Bruno made a plead, just before he died.
2. His account was sold/hacked.

The way I see it, the hacker/buyer waited for the funds to be moved by Bruno's family, to start posting using Bruno's Cage account.
If that hypothesis is correct, then the imposter will never be able to sign anything from the plead donation address.

Or the person who made that donation thread was whoever Bruno sold or gave the account to. That would be the more likely situation in my opinion.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on May 27, 2020, 03:35:00 AM

It probably wasn't hacked. Just think of how much of a coincidence it is that your account would get hacked very shortly after you die. Why wasn't it hacked whilst he was alive? Accounts don't magically become easy to hack once someone has died. He'd sold or attempted to sell his accounts before so it's not surprising that this happened. Hopefully the person in charge of the account will fill us in on what happened since the account is ruined now anyway.

I got you. It is not possible for an account to be hacked at this time Roll Eyes

Bruno seems to have a lot of difficulties around money. The fact that he was sick was real, so he tried to sell his account for extra money. But the question is when this account changes owners, will the donation we raise be used for himselt? Or it is used for someone else. The current owner is trying to cheat this community again, I think he won't publish the truth Roll Eyes

Quote from: Timelord2067 on May 27, 2020, 03:38:56 AM

@Yoshi forgot one key thing in his photos comparison - beards don't grow that fast.

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The picture was taken from before, not the current one to be of interest. I remember I saw it before. But this shows that the current owner certainly knows Bruno to get it

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@Yoshi forgot one key thing in his photos comparison - beards don't grow that fast.

In Bruno's pre-death Plead pic he was scruffy, but mostly clean shaven. However, a month post-death, Bruno's grown his full beard again. Anyone wanna bet the pic came from Bruno's phone and was taken months ago?

Quote from: hilariousetc on May 27, 2020, 03:35:00 AM

The account isn't banned as of yet.

Bruno's previously unknown alt UID Bitcoin 100 was banned in 2018 and six weeks later he sold his Gleb Gamow UID to Suchmoon. (Ban evasion perhaps??) ??

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Quote from: Cryptotourist on May 26, 2020, 11:41:03 PM

Or the person who made that donation thread was whoever Bruno sold or gave the account to. That would be the more likely situation in my opinion.

Quote from: ChuckBuck on May 27, 2020, 02:48:09 AM

I just don't understand why the account was hacked in a short time Huh

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Besides of many user still curious how @Bruno account got hacked, sold or changed hand. Can we just locked or ban @Bruno account to end this drama?

We have enough drama in this forum, especially on Meta and Reputation board... I don't want to see another drama again.

I believe he's already banned by theymos quietly as there's no such post(s) of clearance on this matter from his end. He was last seen "Today at 03:13:42 AM", so it's done for him.

The account isn't banned as of yet.

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Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on May 26, 2020, 01:43:02 PM

I doubt theymos banned him, as, for what I know, theymos doesn't ban anyone at first sight. Most likely, he is waiting for some time (as we all do), for a proof of ownership from Bruno. And this can't be less than 24h, in my opinion, maybe even more. I believe theymos is giving him (the account) a chance. But if no proof will be provided soon, most likely, the account will be banned or locked.

You should have looked when the said account was logged in last, be rest assure that, Theymos himself got angry with this scenario and probably ban or locked the account to curb further spread of this disease in the community. Giving this account a chance is an encouragement to scammers around the world to hack and extort gullible users in this industry and I believe Theymos won't take such sh**t for a friend. @Bruno is dead and buried.

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Quote from: ChuckBuck on May 27, 2020, 02:35:11 AM

Oh my god, I can't understand what the hell is going on here Roll Eyes

Nothing much, just the usual Post Death Stress Disorder...

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Quote from: xxjumperxx on May 27, 2020, 02:41:57 AM

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The Account part, nobody is sure. Alot of theories but nothing confirmed.
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Have seen it, thank you very much Cheesy

Although it is impossible to know who is standing in the account, Bruno is truly dead, and the person who owns the account is lying Roll Eyes

How stupid it is to use an account that has been recognized by everyone. Damn scammers always want to take advantage of the reputation of others to make money. They never respect the dead, it's frustrating Angry

I just don't understand why the account was hacked in a short time Huh

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Quote from: ChuckBuck on May 27, 2020, 02:35:11 AM

Wait... what? what the fuck is that? Huh

I'm late here. I thought Bruno was dead? Why is he still here and posting this article? Is it a scam? Bruno said that he only lived for 2 months with a tumor in his brain, and according to what happened, Bruno died. Has everyone been fooled here? Or is this account already owned by another user?

Oh my god, I can't understand what the hell is going on here Roll Eyes

Fact -> Bruno is dead

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The Account part, nobody is sure. Alot of theories but nothing confirmed.
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Wait... what? what the fuck is that? Huh

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Quote from: Cryptotourist on May 26, 2020, 11:41:03 PM

Butt hurt enemy?

While this sounds pretty hilarious, it might be possible.

But then, shouldn't the phone/ laptop/ PC be in his immediately family's possession? Pretty sure they wouldn't simply pass them to some random stranger that goes, "Hey it's me ur brother".

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Quote from: NotATether on May 26, 2020, 03:46:57 AM

~~If you don't sign a message from 1FkHCFv8PN1kerJct3RsQQpMcRoTnx2vWe, then you are an imposter.~~

http://web.archive.org/web/20200502091546/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5236380.0

Quote from: hilariousetc on May 26, 2020, 03:52:09 AM

How do you know it wasn't this guy who posted that? The funds moved recently so it's probable.

Cripes, I think we were suckered. I didn't realize 34 outputs, pretty much every transaction ever sent to it, were moved to another wallet address the day before the hacker started posting. https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/fc73ccf71eccb2f1783e8ca5236c1073aeb4970eed20c24268d90207f869ec48

Quote from: UserU on May 26, 2020, 06:41:37 AM

It's strange, that the person who accessed his phone/ computer/ laptop somehow managed to know Bitcointalk. Could be an acquaintance/ friend of him.

Butt hurt enemy?