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Quote from: Wind_FURY on September 05, 2019, 12:14:48 AM

BCH QR codes for donations printed in water bottles. Users must be careful, because they might send Bitcoins in them. Cool

it wouldn't work with anything except the oldest possible wallet software, the address format has been different for a long time now.

Is that why the donations weren't processing? Hahaha.

Quote from: Harlot on September 05, 2019, 02:01:00 PM

Basing it from the news and from what my friends who recently visited in Hong Kong the violence and protest had ended already and what the media is doing is just inflating the whole commotion. The bill has already been withdrawn and what we are seeing now (or what we don't see) is just the media showing what they want to see happening in Hong Kong. Even before this news of the bill being withdrawn I have friends who visited Hong Kong and they say that the violence was just happening in a small part of Hong Kong.

Of course. A country under a nationwide strike/protest would be a state of national emergency, and would require international intervention.

But the protests lasting since July is impressive. Next protests, maybe Bitcoiners should raise their arms in support.

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Basing it from the news and from what my friends who recently visited in Hong Kong the violence and protest had ended already and what the media is doing is just inflating the whole commotion. The bill has already been withdrawn and what we are seeing now (or what we don't see) is just the media showing what they want to see happening in Hong Kong. Even before this news of the bill being withdrawn I have friends who visited Hong Kong and they say that the violence was just happening in a small part of Hong Kong.

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The protest in Hong Kong has been going on for a while now and I read that the controversial bill has been withdrawn which to me is a great start to resolving the debacle that have led both parties to this point.

Donating bitcoin for protest purpose is not something I would want to encourage in my opinion because of the aftermath that could result from such action. Governments for one is not favorably disposed to bitcoin neither are they favorably disposed to protesters and would look for every means necessary to discredit either of the two. Donating bitcoin for that purpose, a propaganda could be launched to claim foreign individuals are the one sponsoring the protests and are funding it through "illegal" means this if pursued successfully could affect the credibility of the protests and thereafter defeat the purpose why the citizens are protesting.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on September 04, 2019, 04:24:26 AM

Are there Bitcoiners in Hong Kong? How is the situation over there? I believe it should be Bitcoin's time, and help protesters in collecting donations, and help move value in Bitcoin.

I was not aware of the Hong Kong situation until i see this thread, hope it is regarding the extradition bill and i was dumbfound when i saw that 5 people are dead during these protest. I am yet to read the extend of these protest and the way in which the government is dealing these protesters by silencing everyone with brute force rather than sorting the root issues they have at hands.

Quote from: Kakmakr on September 05, 2019, 12:45:23 AM

So basically what is happening is that the protestors are trying to use any alternative to government backed organizations and technologies to boycott their government and this is what Bitcoin is meant to be. Wink

It is really great to see people trying to overcome any government regulation with the help of alternative payment methods but what if the government put a temporary ban on its usage until everything is calm. The way in which they have dealt these protest makes me wonder that the government will do everything in their power to stop any protest even banning alternative payments methods to fund any movements.

Economically speaking, Hong Kong is doomed anyway. When these demonstrations would settle, they would have a stricter policy on payments and China would make them realize who's the boss there. With no Chinese tourists and Chinese business, Hong Kong would be nothing. If China could economically control the politics of Taiwan, a far away political land, they'd punish every Hong Kong activist and helpers unless they leave the country.

True. Hongkongers should be grateful China shows respect when they could just cut the lines and force their power over Hongkong. If it weren't for the one country two system agreement, these protest could have ended in just a day.

The people in China has much respect to their government that they look at it as their father and do as what their father says. Technically Hongkong is part of China whether they like it or not China will take over Hongkong sooner but this protest has been prolonged too much that I think is funded to weaken China's economy.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on September 05, 2019, 10:56:57 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on September 04, 2019, 04:24:26 AM

Are there Bitcoiners in Hong Kong? How is the situation over there? I believe it should be Bitcoin's time, and help protesters in collecting donations, and help move value in Bitcoin.

I was not aware of the Hong Kong situation until i see this thread, hope it is regarding the extradition bill and i was dumbfound when i saw that 5 people are dead during these protest. I am yet to read the extend of these protest and the way in which the government is dealing these protesters by silencing everyone with brute force rather than sorting the root issues they have at hands.

Quote from: Kakmakr on September 05, 2019, 12:45:23 AM

So basically what is happening is that the protestors are trying to use any alternative to government backed organizations and technologies to boycott their government and this is what Bitcoin is meant to be. Wink

It is really great to see people trying to overcome any government regulation with the help of alternative payment methods but what if the government put a temporary ban on its usage until everything is calm. The way in which they have dealt these protest makes me wonder that the government will do everything in their power to stop any protest even banning alternative payments methods to fund any movements.

Economically speaking, Hong Kong is doomed anyway. When these demonstrations would settle, they would have a stricter policy on payments and China would make them realize who's the boss there. With no Chinese tourists and Chinese business, Hong Kong would be nothing. If China could economically control the politics of Taiwan, a far away political land, they'd punish every Hong Kong activist and helpers unless they leave the country.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on September 04, 2019, 04:24:26 AM

Are there Bitcoiners in Hong Kong? How is the situation over there? I believe it should be Bitcoin's time, and help protesters in collecting donations, and help move value in Bitcoin.

I was not aware of the Hong Kong situation until i see this thread, hope it is regarding the extradition bill and i was dumbfound when i saw that 5 people are dead during these protest. I am yet to read the extend of these protest and the way in which the government is dealing these protesters by silencing everyone with brute force rather than sorting the root issues they have at hands.

Quote from: Kakmakr on September 05, 2019, 12:45:23 AM

So basically what is happening is that the protestors are trying to use any alternative to government backed organizations and technologies to boycott their government and this is what Bitcoin is meant to be. Wink

It is really great to see people trying to overcome any government regulation with the help of alternative payment methods but what if the government put a temporary ban on its usage until everything is calm. The way in which they have dealt these protest makes me wonder that the government will do everything in their power to stop any protest even banning alternative payments methods to fund any movements.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on September 04, 2019, 04:24:26 AM

Are there Bitcoiners in Hong Kong? How is the situation over there? I believe it should be Bitcoin's time, and help protesters in collecting donations, and help move value in Bitcoin.

I didn’t know of any protest going on in Hong Kong as regards bitcoin and what led to the protest but I doubt if you will get anyone here who would disclose is identity; don’t forget that we are all operating an anonymous system. Bitcoiners might be protesting, but we need to understand the level of acceptance of bitcoin in Hong Kong and how many people are really using the system.

One thing about protest is that it is meant to attract more people who are in the same line of thought or same community of bitcoin to join, but if we still have very low compliance in Hong Kong, this protest may not be a successful one because their voice would not be really heard. I don’t think this would have been the right time for such protest to emanate.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on September 05, 2019, 12:14:48 AM

BCH QR codes for donations printed in water bottles. Users must be careful, because they might send Bitcoins in them. Cool

it wouldn't work with anything except the oldest possible wallet software, the address format has been different for a long time now.

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Quote from: Carlton Banks on September 04, 2019, 06:24:32 PM

there were Hong Kong protestors suggesting bank runs last week, but this didn't materialise in the end.

Direct Bitcoin use in commerce was suggested as a part of the same basic strategy of taking economic power away from the Chinese and/or Hong Kong governments, and there were reports of a number of Hong Kong businesses accepting multiple cryptocurrencies in support of this. But it's not quite caught on fire, so to speak, just yet

Hong Kong would be a fantastic test case for a significant or dominant Bitcoin based economy; developed 1st world country, good/well established business culture, lots of tech and techy people, small geographically, high population density.

Or Bitcoiners on the ground just be in involvement directly with the protest, and, as a start, help out with donations. Protesters are losing precious hours from work, they need to eat too.

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Quote from: franky1 on September 04, 2019, 02:55:37 PM

using privacy fears of a PUBLIC event is a stupid sales pitch for btc utility

Protesters still keep their identities private, especially since their police have been stepping out of bounds with their arrests. They even resorted to using dyed water at some point to make it easy to identify those who participated after the fact, because they don't know who the protesters are. Bitcoin absolutely can help in this case, especially if other retailers follow the lead of stores like this.

Quote from: Leonardo7 on September 04, 2019, 11:10:06 PM

I don't like the ideology of trying to raise donations to protester by using bitcoin. This can silently be done without any public notice. I don't want the government to point a finger to bitcoin that it was used against the state.

Can't get donations if you don't raise awareness, unfortunately. Sure this might put Bitcoin in some crosshairs, but events like this show off one of Bitcoin's strongest use cases. If it shouldn't be promoted here, where should you promote it?

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There are several things being done with Bitcoin in Japan as part of their protest, like this https://news.bitcoin.com/cryptocurrencies-such-as-bitcoin-cash-shine-during-hong-kong-protests/ and https://news.bitcoin.com/cryptocurrencies-such-as-bitcoin-cash-shine-during-hong-kong-protests/

So basically what is happening is that the protestors are trying to use any alternative to government backed organizations and technologies to boycott their government and this is what Bitcoin is meant to be. Wink

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Quote from: franky1 on September 04, 2019, 10:07:16 AM

1. the protests have been going on since june.. bit late to the scream party

Why? Is it "late" to use Bitcoin in everything else?

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2. today the government is withdrawing a potential bill that if it were not withdrawn would cause more chaos. thus he has now allayed the reason for the protests.. in short they have no reason to protest

Wrong information. That was only one of five protester demands. There are four more reasons to protest.

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3. a protest is just people turning up and shouting... what exactly would be donated.. mouth wash, shoes? hong kong aint that poor

Don't protesters eat? Is a little help from Bitcoiners unwelcome?

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4. trying to use proper political problems as a gimmick for some bitcoin advertising where one person has to convert fiat into btc for like 1 hour which gets converted to another fiat is not good use case of bitcoin. the fee's alone would actually sway people away from using it

Political gimmick? Then what use is a censorship-resistant money?

I heard Bitcoin Cash is being used in the protests, with BCH QR codes for donations printed in water bottles. Users must be careful, because they might send Bitcoins in them. Cool

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I don't like the ideology of trying to raise donations to protester by using bitcoin. This can silently be done without any public notice. I don't want the government to point a finger to bitcoin that it was used against the state.

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there were Hong Kong protestors suggesting bank runs last week, but this didn't materialise in the end.

Direct Bitcoin use in commerce was suggested as a part of the same basic strategy of taking economic power away from the Chinese and/or Hong Kong governments, and there were reports of a number of Hong Kong businesses accepting multiple cryptocurrencies in support of this. But it's not quite caught on fire, so to speak, just yet

Hong Kong would be a fantastic test case for a significant or dominant Bitcoin based economy; developed 1st world country, good/well established business culture, lots of tech and techy people, small geographically, high population density.

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That is a good idea, to used bitcoin in the Hong Kong for a donation, and it will improved the market, which every one known that bitcoin is the number one of alt-coin in the cryptocurrency industries.

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Quote from: franky1 on September 04, 2019, 02:55:37 PM

summary:
topic creator has not done the research to realise that protests of 2-3 months have ended.

Summary, franky1 is not reading the news:
Hong Kong protesters vow to stay on the streets despite Carrie Lam concession

Quote from: franky1 on September 04, 2019, 02:55:37 PM

also holding/supplying a placard is not illegal.

There are a few countries out there in which holding a placard might land you in jail, and that if you're lucky.
And contrary to what some believe, holding one with f** Clinton or Trump won't get you in anywhere near that much trouble as a f*** Xi or CPC one.

Quote from: hatshepsut93 on September 04, 2019, 04:33:35 PM

Are you aware that people get beaten, mutilated and jailed for participating in those protests, or are you just trolling as always?

Sometimes he's not even trying to troll, he really believes what's he is saying no matter how ridiculous that is for some of us.

Quote from: BIN-BIN on September 04, 2019, 01:25:47 PM

My question is what is the protest for and why is there need for donations before protesting, is the Hung Kong government against bitcoin and have they formulate a policy that have direct impact on bitcoin transactions that warrant protest.

Why are there protests in Hong Kong? All the context you need
And, by the way, I really have a feeling the government is not that hung, after all the Chief Executive of Hong Kong is a female Cheesy

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Quote from: franky1 on September 04, 2019, 02:55:37 PM

also holding/supplying a placard is not illegal. so trying to phrase it like btc is needed for legal/privacy protections is twisting reality.

using privacy fears of a PUBLIC event is a stupid sales pitch for btc utility

Are you aware that people get beaten, mutilated and jailed for participating in those protests, or are you just trolling as always?

Quote from: franky1 on September 04, 2019, 02:55:37 PM

i could mix btc millions of times.. but when i go to an exchange to get fiat.. and use fiat to buy supplies.. yep fiat traces pop up
i could buy supplies in secret, but its hard to hide a placard if the purpose of a placard is to be seen.. once seen, yep traces pop up

But with Bitcoin and mixing identities of donators are protected, while with traditional payments they might be not, especially if they were done via a local bank or payment company.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on September 04, 2019, 02:39:40 PM

Theoretically Bitcoin can be quite useful, especially if those who receive donations will use mixers before selling coins on exchanges to buy supplies - it would prevent government from identifying protestors by looking at their bank transactions.

i could mix btc millions of times.. but when i go to an exchange to get fiat.. and use fiat to buy supplies.. yep fiat traces pop up
i could buy supplies in secret, but its hard to hide a placard if the purpose of a placard is to be seen.. once seen, yep traces pop up

also holding/supplying a placard is not illegal. so trying to phrase it like btc is needed for legal/privacy protections is twisting reality.

using privacy fears of a PUBLIC event is a stupid sales pitch for btc utility

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Theoretically Bitcoin can be quite useful, especially if those who receive donations will use mixers before selling coins on exchanges to buy supplies - it would prevent government from identifying protestors by looking at their bank transactions. But on practice Bitcoin awareness is still too low for Bitcoin to become the primary method of donations - we can see from all the other protests in the world that Bitcoin is used very rarely in them.

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Quote from: DooMAD on September 04, 2019, 01:58:06 PM

I mean, maybe there's a cost for printing all those placards they seem to be carrying in the photos I've seen

if you see different people with the same placards, you need to realise that those making them standardised placards, sell them.. protests have become a business these days.. those selling placards dont make a loss
prime example:

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