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Topic: Bitcoinica liquidator wants to hear from users - page 10. (Read 64418 times)

legendary
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I have good feelings about this delay, look like they are doing something

yes, it seems something is going on, im not exactly sure what, however im okay for them to hold out for good news, like mark giving us back our coins. that would be cool.

After all this time, do you think good things can happen in this world?!
legendary
Activity: 1022
Merit: 1000
I have good feelings about this delay, look like they are doing something
sr. member
Activity: 321
Merit: 250
Bitbuy.nl!
Got this 4th Dec after inquiring

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The Liquidators report on the progress of the liquidation will be emailed to creditors shortly.
 
Regards
Anne Swanepoel
Secretary
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PKF Corporate Recovery & Insolvency (Auckland) Limited
Level 3, 48 Courthouse Lane | PO Box 3678, Auckland 1140, New Zealand
[email protected]
www.pkfcr.co.nz
P:
+64 9 302 0521
F:
+64 9 302 0536
DDI:
+64 9 306 7423

They have a different definition of "shortly" than I have. Anyone contacted them past two weeks?
poi
newbie
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Merit: 0
Got this 4th Dec after inquiring

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The Liquidators report on the progress of the liquidation will be emailed to creditors shortly.
 
Regards
Anne Swanepoel
Secretary
Description: C:\Users\annes\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Signatures\Corporate-PKF-Email-Small.jpg
PKF Corporate Recovery & Insolvency (Auckland) Limited
Level 3, 48 Courthouse Lane | PO Box 3678, Auckland 1140, New Zealand
[email protected]
www.pkfcr.co.nz
P:
+64 9 302 0521
F:
+64 9 302 0536
DDI:
+64 9 306 7423
sr. member
Activity: 325
Merit: 250
Our highest capital is the Confidence we build.
I wonder if they'll crash the market when they sell the BTC? 

i really hope they dont sell my coins and give me $11 each for them :/

That would be a pity shameless robbery Undecided

FTFY

But sadly that's a usual kind of robbery for the legacy "justice" system... Undecided
legendary
Activity: 1868
Merit: 1023
I had been thinking they'd liquidate at market value and give us the surplus from the increase in BTC value.  Now I'm thinking the company owners will get the surplus.   If so, they're going to make a killing.

Does anyone know common wealth law on this?
hero member
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First bits: 12good
I wonder if they'll crash the market when they sell the BTC? 

i really hope they dont sell my coins and give me $11 each for them :/

That would be a pity  Undecided
legendary
Activity: 1868
Merit: 1023
I wonder if they'll crash the market when they sell the BTC? 
sr. member
Activity: 321
Merit: 250
Bitbuy.nl!
I PM'D Roger Ver this week and he told me he heard the liquidator has gotten hold of the passwords to the Gox accounts, so hopefully we will hear about the progress soon. The report is due soon anyway.
hero member
Activity: 661
Merit: 500
We could also draft letters to both Gox and the Liquidator, asking for an official response from each of them on what they are waiting for to move forward, as we are blind right now to what the hold up is. We could get these letters posted on the blogs to get some publicity.

I wrote the following to the liquidator on Sept 17:

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Hi Anne,

In the second report you alluded to the possibility of legal action against MtGox in order to gain access to the Bitcoinica funds stored there.

1) Has there been any progress in this area? If so, how can the creditors help?

2) Is there a date for when to expect the 3rd report?

3) Does PKFCR have a fiduciary duty towards the Bitcoinica creditors?

4) Is PKFCR aware of the fact that DHS has seized 5M of MtGox's customer deposits and that Coinlab is witholding another 5M of customer deposits? MtGox is a huge counter party risk for Bitcoinica creditors given their current situation.

Bitcoinica is a small company, I was hoping that the liquidation could be a more swift affair in the interest of the creditors.

On Oct 10 I finally got a reply which I can't share here because it comes with a lot of legal boiler plate but instead of answers I got a brief statement that every time they write an email it adds costs to the liquidation, which will affect the distribution to creditors.  (... I wonder how much they will charge for that?)

So you better keep your mouth shut and every 6 month you can expect another scrap of information in the shape of a liquidator report detailing 0 progress. Oh and another 50.000 USD please for our service. Suffice it to say that the Bitcoinica debacle has been a real education for me. Faith in humanity has dropped a few notches.



Agreed.  That's why I think if PC and Ver can reach an agreement soon it would all be in our best interests.  Not to mention Mt Cox holding our coins. 

Otherwise, I am sure these people would face much more of a shit storm if the general public finds out about how this has been handled (in the form of further litigation) - some of these people are "influential" in the BTC community.  Why would anyone trust anything to someone in the past that has acted not in the best interest of the creditors involved? 

All I know, and I don't know much, is that Amir seems to be forthright with what he has been saying.  I mean.. then you get pictures of letters sent by random people containing fortune cookies..derp..what is going on here?  jesus
hero member
Activity: 661
Merit: 500
Yeah, all out open positions were supposed to be liquidated at like $11.00 or something.

Screw that. I want the coins I deposited. Gox has them.

No, I meant additional cash from open positions using leverage.  If you remember, that was in addition to the coins you actually transferred in yourself.  There was a spot to mark this for the liquidators.  If you failed to do so, I would contact them.
hero member
Activity: 761
Merit: 500
Mine Silent, Mine Deep
We could also draft letters to both Gox and the Liquidator, asking for an official response from each of them on what they are waiting for to move forward, as we are blind right now to what the hold up is. We could get these letters posted on the blogs to get some publicity.

I wrote the following to the liquidator on Sept 17:

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Hi Anne,

In the second report you alluded to the possibility of legal action against MtGox in order to gain access to the Bitcoinica funds stored there.

1) Has there been any progress in this area? If so, how can the creditors help?

2) Is there a date for when to expect the 3rd report?

3) Does PKFCR have a fiduciary duty towards the Bitcoinica creditors?

4) Is PKFCR aware of the fact that DHS has seized 5M of MtGox's customer deposits and that Coinlab is witholding another 5M of customer deposits? MtGox is a huge counter party risk for Bitcoinica creditors given their current situation.

Bitcoinica is a small company, I was hoping that the liquidation could be a more swift affair in the interest of the creditors.

On Oct 10 I finally got a reply which I can't share here because it comes with a lot of legal boiler plate but instead of answers I got a brief statement that every time they write an email it adds costs to the liquidation, which will affect the distribution to creditors.  (... I wonder how much they will charge for that?)

So you better keep your mouth shut and every 6 month you can expect another scrap of information in the shape of a liquidator report detailing 0 progress. Oh and another 50.000 USD please for our service. Suffice it to say that the Bitcoinica debacle has been a real education for me. Faith in humanity has dropped a few notches.

sr. member
Activity: 300
Merit: 250
Yeah, all out open positions were supposed to be liquidated at like $11.00 or something. 

Screw that. I want the coins I deposited. Gox has them.
hero member
Activity: 661
Merit: 500
It's clear what the hold-up is. The liquidator has no power and Karpeles gives a shit about bitcoinica users. MtGox needs all the funds it can get right now just to keep afloat. Perhaps he would have been bankrupt already if it wasn't for our coins and fiat.

Yeah, all out open positions were supposed to be liquidated at like $11.00 or something.  I almost forgot all about the "cash" I should still have, if that even is a real thing anymore.  Ugh..
legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1001
It's clear what the hold-up is. The liquidator has no power and Karpeles gives a shit about bitcoinica users. MtGox needs all the funds it can get right now just to keep afloat. Perhaps he would have been bankrupt already if it wasn't for our coins and fiat.
sr. member
Activity: 300
Merit: 250
We could also draft letters to both Gox and the Liquidator, asking for an official response from each of them on what they are waiting for to move forward, as we are blind right now to what the hold up is. We could get these letters posted on the blogs to get some publicity.

hero member
Activity: 661
Merit: 500
where wont the thread get moved to?  probably right back to this sub forum?  problem is, not many people visit this one. 
hero member
Activity: 661
Merit: 500
we need to start another thread where someone can update a list of all users that want to do this and will keep it up.  from there, we can decide money etc.  perhaps the lawyer(s) will be interested to take a case like this to put their name out in public.  it will hit enough websites if we can throw something at this entire shit crew. 
hero member
Activity: 661
Merit: 500
Lets just get a list going of users here.  If we can find a lawyer that will accept money when he gets ours that would be my first vote.  They literally have all my money, plus I am going to school full time.  I am not sure how much I could actually contribute in the beginning, but I could do something.  

I have a professor from school I took business law from that could most likely direct me to someone.  I probably have some of the least amt. of connections though in the professional world.

Anyone should chime in that has more ideas.
sr. member
Activity: 300
Merit: 250
Im all for it. Have any particular ideas about how we can move forward?

At what price does BTC get to before we start to move on this?  The longer we wait, the worse mt gox looks, who knows what could happen to this company? 

If BTC goes back above 250 I really think we should start to talk more as a group.  This whole  situation is absurd.  It would be worth all users that want to do this to pay a percentage of their future holdings to some lawyer that actually has a fucking plan?  I mean I'm sorry, this liquadators are doing nothing, nor do they mind.  You know mt gox doesnt mind. 
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