Topic: bitcoinlivebets.com stealing all my winnings 30 BTC (Read 14774 times)

Last year bitcoinlivebets stealing all my winnings (30 BTC) but almost nobody believed for my words.

I warned everybody more times not to play on there site. 

if you click on bitcoinlivebets at bitcointalk.org you can see:



if you click on trust there is my topic too behind the reference link:



I was sure that they will disappear sooner or later.   ( i said 1-3 month on March 09, 2014, 10:45:05 PM )

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5612396
” bitcoinlivebets.com  will disappear within 1-3 month  after some big players with big balances try to withdrawal all their funds and only some of them will get it before the site closing.”

i opened at least 6 topics :

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoinlivebetscom-stealing-all-my-winnings-30-btc-300044  bitcoinlivebets.com stealing all my winnings 30 BTC
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/arbsmiddles-between-bitcoinlivebets-and-other-sites-312080  arbs/middles between bitcoinlivebets and other sites 
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/real-story-how-bitcoincasinopro-handling-issues-309060    real story : how bitcoincasinopro handling issues
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/2593238-bicoinlivetbets-stealing-all-my-winnings-30btc-3600-a.html
http://www.bookmakersforum.com/bookmakers/bitcoinlivebets-stealing-all-my-winnings-30btc-3600/264

i wrote (private) messages about this issue to all bitcoin sports books (at bitcointalkorg), but they do nothing and to top it all  bitcoincasinopro contribute to bitcoinlivebets
stealing.
http://bitcoincasinopro.com/reviews/bitcoinlivebets-com/29-60-btc-complaint-against-bitcoinlivebets-com-unsubstantiated/

It is obviously for a 10 years old child, who could use calculator that bitcoinlivebets added a fake bet (above 10 times more stake than the max. 3 BTC)  to my account to
http://www25.zippyshare.com/d/26342332/73256/bitcoinkivebetsfakeaccounthistory.xlsx
(the old links does not work)

From all posted details, i think if they can answer the above 4 questions then the case will solve itself.

bitcoinlivebets clearly stated that the maximum bet was 3btc.

By allowing a user to place a higher bet (if it was actually real) they broke their own rules as was clearly stated.
The bet in question should either be

a) null and void and money returned as it broke the terms and conditions
b) have 3btc taken from it and the rest refunded as the excess of the bet was against their terms and conditions.

If they are trying to claim that it was still possible to place high bets (nearly 10x the maximum allowed) then that is their fault and their mistake.

there is no way in hell the bet should be taken the way it has, it should be null and void or else they are breaking their own rules.
If they are going to keep the coins and accept the bet then it renders every other term and coindition on their rules null and void as they have proven that it is fine to break their rules and they actually break their own rules

either way, i wont be touching this company with a 10ft barge pole and i would advise anyone else to do the same.

real story: how bitcoincasinopro handling issues
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/real-story-how-bitcoincasinopro-handling-issues-309060

what do you think if i start a new topic on bitcoincasinopro , will they answer me ?
i will share all our email conversation

you answered nothing :   you never sent me nothing

here is my first 4 question:

1 : Could you confirm that your users can place 30 BTC on an itf tennis match total games ?    yes/no

2 : Could you confirm that i asked my withdrawal to 1MCLkWa9BU2vEt5vJG9nojJc78N4WN6dZP  address and not 1PzrpRWJRzLtAdDtn1SWEAz2o2YHh9o13x ?     yes/no

3: Could you confirm that any of these sender address(48) in the below transaction belongs to you
https://blockchain.info/tx/ec5bc76182707a2f8b45e18bf024cfa5aecef6498229e1d3ac0bca880d2300f2   ?     yes/no

4: Can you give me transaction detalis on this record  7888 17.08.2013, 15:08 Uhr Einzahlung: + 1,094120 BTC   ?  hash

but like earlier you wont say nothing again ,  only we have 700 users , never happend, ....   
yes,  i hope it will never happen again, you wont dare to do it again

we answered all questions off you.

We also had a check from an external rating Site (bitcoincasinopro). You can also read the Article on the Site.


Sorry...sometimes you also lose a bet. We have more than 700 users. There is no Problem like you have with us.

You won more than xx btc's on our page. So be happy!

after bitcoincasinopro shared  this post http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/reviews/bitcoinlivebets-com/29-60-btc-complaint-against-bitcoinlivebets-com-unsubstantiated/  without noticed me about it or asked me about my outpayment address
bitcoincasinopro  does not answer for my emails more than 9 days (3-4 emails)

i do not understand how could afford bitcoincasinopro  not to answer to complaints/questions.
At least they should say we closed your complaint, do not send any new emails in this subject.



bitcoinlivebets have to prove to send it to my address but until now they prove nothing ,
they also never answered any of my questions in this forum
bitcoincasinopro got an address from bitcoinlivebets (that does not belong to me)  and ignoring all my emails after it

i will share more information

my emails to  bitcoincasinopro:

it is time to be a tennis player,  play on challenger and itf tournaments  and you can earn $10000 or more weekly
only place 3-4 bets at 30 BTC on yourself

but i am sure i was the only person who could bet 29,601 BTC , nobody else,  or bitcoinlivebets added that bet excatly 29,601 BTC  to be able to falsified my withdrawals amount to only 10%

in here there is another issue:

this transaction mentioned above:
https://blockchain.info/tx/ec5bc76182707a2f8b45e18bf024cfa5aecef6498229e1d3ac0bca880d2300f2  does not belong to me

from transaction list:
9069 28.08.2013, 01:25 Uhr Auszahlung: 1MCLkWa9BU2vEt5vJG9nojJc78N4WN6dZP   -26,474000 BTC

Bitcoinlivebets  could you confirm  this record in my transaction list? 


i asked my withdrawal to 1MCLkWa9BU2vEt5vJG9nojJc78N4WN6dZP  address

until now bitcoincasinopro  does nothing , i am waiting their answer more than 2 days, they public that post on their webpage without asking me  about outpayment address and others

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-can-i-prove-that-an-address-does-not-belong-to-me-304872    here is another topic  

i am sure bitcoinlivebets cant prove that any of the sender addresses (48 pieces)  belong to him
but as i see nobody cares about it

he just faked details here...we discussed it with him in several times....also a expert for betting sites had looked on the details.


http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/reviews/bitcoinlivebets-com/29-60-btc-complaint-against-bitcoinlivebets-com-unsubstantiated/


so for us is no more need to discuss it here with him. We will also have in the future a better look on betting like this. It was luck for us, that he lose his big bet. Before he also had won with other accounts XX BTC's.

if you had any more questions--> write us a message!

As I've said, the only way you are going to get this sorted out is with arbitration. If they agree to it, then you will get a decision one way or the other. If they don't agree to it, then that would be terrible PR for them. So I expect they will agree. But you have to get the ball rolling .....

 

was placed by bitcoinlivebets



xlsx file where you can check the unbelievable coincidence  (5 minutes only)
http://www46.zippyshare.com/d/82456415/1815851/bitcoinkivebetsfakeaccounthistory.xlsx

1st lost account:
1st deposit 0,5 BTC   https://blockchain.info/tx/2f0378c9d5b7baf080d40e345fdc127fb1f8487d6c29dbb581a23b745dd9dfb8      
2nd deposit 1 BTC   https://blockchain.info/tx/200df200776a3cbba3a042e50bd200eeda957ece976c1ab186c842e3eb806f85      
3rd deposit 1.1 BTC   https://blockchain.info/tx/8386bf5b6fcb47c267e2f9f63d9cc75c05e4f032eb146b7a6bcc21460507fab2         
1st withdrawal 3 BTC (-0.5% FEE)   https://blockchain.info/tx/f15ef48d160b8a37f3a1bcf658146cb44674685dcfc5258c97910f7376e78ad6      
4th deposit 10 BTC   https://blockchain.info/tx/43ee8d0eae3b1f22445761ed8dc3af6a1a5df4c1e6f807c5045007c09e34e39e      
2nd withdrawal 26,48 BTC (full balance) https://blockchain.info/tx/73fed1684d8240f943245148951753dd1ec37b21ba21506d68a9a19e8cfe1e54   
in 2 transcation (-0.5 % FEE)   https://blockchain.info/tx/92080917a31320a17bd8f64d01f7271f54341593aa9e902c53ef8f41e8b0ad83   


2nd account:
1st deposit 8 BTC:   https://blockchain.info/tx/18592e5e0c4c9d85339522f8e421d8471ca7ed3885b809882a25b91a61ea288f
1st withdrawal  1.2BTC (instead of 12 BTC) acccount balance: 24,24 BTC : https://blockchain.info/tx/a83779b04c91a6803b3d86bdd1378eeaee0834c2efe30ccb45a50ffc5aebd21b     requested: 18.09.2013 14:06 recieved:  20.09.2013 19:46 ( 53,5 hours left)
2nd withdrawal: (full balance) 2.089 BTC (instead of 20.89) : https://blockchain.info/tx/0954400b3b0a4d90063c2fc14e822a371dd58f5e0425cc2f5d1839187694eb06   requested: 19.09.2013 22:04 recieved:  20.09.2013 19:48 ( 21,5 hours left)  (but beetween the last 2 withdrawals recieving time only 2 minutes, the fake bet was placed beetween the 2 withdrawals )

This is true.  If a book has a limit of several thousand dollars on a low level tennis tournament, it's because someone has made a mistake.  It doesn't look good that the site has refused to address the question 'what are your betting limits for Challenger type tennis tournaments?"

That doesn't mean the bet wasn't placed.  I would like to hear more about the "mistakes" that the bettor in question had taken advantage of in the past.

This is why I'll wait with betting on bookers that deal with btc. Its so easy for someone to not be legit in this cryptocoinbusiness. I really hope everything sorts out OP.

There is something seriously wrong with risk management if you allow people to bet 29BTC to some random never heard tennis tournament. I've done arbitrage for a living so I would say I'm (or at least was in 2010-2011, I doubt they've changed that much) well aware of the betting limits in the industry. There is just no way some bitcoin sportsbook can take that much action.

What are your betting limits in a Champions League football, let's say Ajax vs. AC Milan which was played today.

I have no idea what really happened here. OP clearly violated the TOS by creating two accounts but did he increase his bet size ten times compared to his previous bets? How can you take that much action? I'm at loss with this case 

What were some of the amounts of other withdraws? You make an interesting point about withdrawing 1.2 BTC. I have no dog in this fight but like to know what really happened.

Maybe someone that can speak the betters native language, because I think he is having trouble conveying his point. He doesn't seem to be a native English speaker.

My suggestion is this.

It's pretty clear that this dispute is not going to be sorted out here by you and they arguing about what has happened.

I'd say the best thing is for you to offer to bitcoinlivebets.com to agree arbitration by some trusted forum member.

if they don't agree, then that looks very bad for them (they should have an arbitration procedure anyway) so it is in their interests to agree.

Then you can let the arbitrator decide.

yes, you always paid me out   

can you confirm that it is unreal that a bookmaker allows their users to put $3500 on an itf tennis match total games?

i can imagine they raised only my stake limit, and only after this issue was posted to public

Can you imagine that there is any bookmaker in the word who allow placing more than 30 BTC ($3500) on an itf tennis quarterfinal match , despite of the winner gets  only $245      
(one of the biggest bookmaker, pinnacle sports allow such high stakes only after half a day after the odds showed up and only atp wta tours, not noname itf, )
(bitbook, bitsaloon, nitrogensports use pinnaclesports prices)

here is a snippet from one of these books message to me :
 "The truth is that Pinnacle is a great book and I think it'd be very hard for a BTC book to offer better lines than them and not go out of business. "

for example , wta China,   Prize Money: $5,185,625    (not $10,000  like at my fake bet)

you can place only EUR 481 on total games , not about $ 3500 (red circles : indicates a circled "bet type" with a lower maximum)



they give a date 17/09/2013 , that they raised all of their users limit ,  after this time i placed 8 bets with under 3 btc, but on my 9th (fake) bet i placed 29, 601 BTC (instead of the max:30)

I can see on your wallet that we (Anonibet) have paid you 13 BTC winnings

i will put a question day after day

Here is the first one :

Can you imagine that i withdrawed only 1.2 BTC instead of 12 BTC the half amount of my full account balance ( account balance at this point 24,24 BTC )  when i  have more than 1000 BTC in my bitcoin wallet ?



if you can it imagine then please share your opinion what could be the reason



from my 1st account transaction list:    7888 17.08.2013, 15:08 Uhr Einzahlung: + 1,094120 BTC     (there is no such record in my bitcoin wallet history)

we still expained it in detail. it was possible to place higher bets.

This is something I want to know too. And please explain why you changed the rules after that. The 29BTC bet happened when the max. was still 3BTC

How is it possible that OP was able to bet 29BTC when your website says max bet 3BTC?

I'm not taking a side here. There is just something wrong with this case.

I am not into sports betting (because I do not like sports and do not follow it), but thanks for the offer

if you want you can try our service...you will se you can trust us

Like I said before. I could be wrong I haven't made up my mind yet.

we surley didn't do that...we have more than 700users who trusts us...

Well, if I see all the evidence and stuff, it really looks like they just took the BTC.
 I could be wrong, but it really looks that way.

I played a lot on this site, I never have a problem. They are very kind and open-minded, so of course you can trust the site. It's better than any other bitcoin sportsbook sites.

You'd think if they were going to run, they would do so with all of the winnings.

cost of their reputation in this case in much lesser than these 30 btc in question

so your not participating is not as big of a deal
on the other hand, if those who are currently using their site would suddenly start to abandon it, in fear of losing money...

Well, I want to try that site, but after that

i am waiting for bitcoincasinopro answer

i found my 1st lost account password, so i could login and save transaction list
that bring up another issues

9069    28.08.2013, 01:25 Uhr    Auszahlung: 1MCLkWa9BU2vEt5vJG9nojJc78N4WN6dZP    -26,474000 BTC
...
7888    17.08.2013, 15:08 Uhr    Einzahlung:     + 1,094120 BTC    (another strange record in my history, deposit that i have never requested)

i asked my withdrawal to 1MCLkWa9BU2vEt5vJG9nojJc78N4WN6dZP  address but  bitcoinlivebets

shared this https://blockchain.info/tx/ec5bc76182707a2f8b45e18bf024cfa5aecef6498229e1d3ac0bca880d2300f2  transaction to bitcoincasinopro, (that does not belong to me )
(perhaps they have bugs in their site engine, and payed it out to another user, and after they realized this they sent it in 2 transactions
https://blockchain.info/tx/92080917a31320a17bd8f64d01f7271f54341593aa9e902c53ef8f41e8b0ad83
https://blockchain.info/tx/73fed1684d8240f943245148951753dd1ec37b21ba21506d68a9a19e8cfe1e54
-0.5% FEE )

i opened another topic too
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-can-i-prove-that-an-address-does-not-belong-to-me-304872     how can i prove that an address does not belong to me ?


i wrote private message and shared this issue to all bitcoin gambling sites in this forum :

(.....  
all your goal is that bitcoin spread as fast as can, and you have more and more players , but such cases like mine will slow this unfortunately
......
i am writing to you because i hope at least one of you can see what happend here and perhaps can do something , convince bitcoinlivebets its obviously cheating
beacuse it looks like nobody care about how bitcoinlivebets robbed one of its customer (in this whole bitcointalkorg forum)  
.....
)

i asked topic moderators to help me (to login my account and save it, thx for it)


i shared almost all evidence, so i cant understand , why cant nobody see that bitcoinlivebets is the cheater (fake bet and only 10% withdrawed amount)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3231993   (do the math please, in takes only 5 minutes )

Any more news on this?

so here is my 1st lost account history too, restored from my sql database , but i will ask bitcoinlivebets to share the real one too  ,
my 1st lost account there is nothing to do with, i only shared it because bitcoinlivebets tried to use my last 26,48 BTC withdrawal in my lost account (that was happend 1 month ago) for that they paid me out (correctly)

The article is getting wrote up as we speak we pretty confident in the decision we have made I hope both parties happy but one thing is for certain this case has been extremely hard as English appears to be a 3rd language for both parties.

i am registered at more than 70 bookmakers
i have bet history from all bets

here is a snippet from bitcoinlivebets history (from my first lost account)


check the row number #5 #6 , and you are still placing bets here?   middles and both sides/bets at the same bookmakers

i will recover my lost account balance history too (from my sql database bet history) , and share it   
(  to prove the lost account withdrawals amounts too ,i got them about 1 month ago but bitcoinlivebets  try to use this/these withdrawals for proving, but what?  i do not understand )

now bitcoinlivebets try to mislead bitcoincasinopro   with these transaction  that was more than 1 month ago  , check it  2013-08-28 12:47:16

as i wrote it earlier i had a lost account at their site
it can be found in my first post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3216511

"please, I moved another flat and i lost my password for this site and the password for my email address, so it was impossible to recover it and use it."

tha account we are talking about and faked was registered at  2013.08.29. 13:29  

http://www46.zippyshare.com/v/82456415/file.html

if you have 5 minutes , please do some math , only adding numbers
you will see the reason why the fake bet stake is exactly 29,601 BTC

cos the 12 -> 1.2 and 20.89  -> 2.089 (withdrawal amount faking) conversation only could be matched with that abnormal stake

i am an active old forum member on these sites too

Join Date: 08-09-10   http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/2593238-bicoinlivetbets-stealing-all-my-winnings-30btc-3600-a.html

Registered: Nov 21, 2012  http://www.bookmakersforum.com/bookmakers/bitcoinlivebets-stealing-all-my-winnings-30btc-3600/264  

i was invited to betatest to the new site of bookmakersforum  (" I (Pierluigi Buccioli, Founder of Bookmakers Review )  decided to invite a small number of players that" )





i withdrawed 28.000 EUR form mtgox in January ,  you can check it in my earlier post,  ( i got only this amount after 40 days,  there is also a topic in here, i think everybody knows about slow withdrawal of mtgox)
i got the  “Trusted” Status (Level 2)
"ALL documents must be notarized with apostille (this is mandatory and applies to customers from the countries listed under the Apostille Convention https://support.mtgox.com/entries/22138375-Apostille-needed-countries) and sent by priority mail to the address at the bottom of this page."

i share this because i think you have to know that i am not a little liar stupid kid

so you can take me seriously , when i claim that  bitcoinlivebets fake my account

sorry we wrote a lot of answers to you. Also discussed it here.  We have more than 600Users. There has been no problem like you anytime before.

If you want you can sure place bets in the future also on our page.

those who do not want to read all posts, here are the significant facts

i made 2 withdrawals 12 BTC and 20.89 BTC

-   but i got only 1.2 BTC and 2.089 BTC  (so only 10%)
-   and bitcoinlivebets added a fake bet to my account  


Total number of games 20.5 Romeo, Caroline - Szupper, Marlies   o   -147
Stake: 29,601000 BTC (Bet by slip 29,601000 BTC), Possible winnings: 0,000000 BTC

bitcoinlivebets claim that
   

-   in their first reply they talking about voiding my bets , breaking their rules  (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3216511)  and ” are not able to pay more than the amounts of 1.2 and 2.089 BTC „  but nothing about the fake bet (i have never placed) i earlier asked them what this bet is  http://www.imageupload.co.uk/files/mrktze2sf9ccml1l62jz.jpg )
-   i placed 10 times more amount (29,601 BTC) on that fake bet, despite of earlier my highest stake was only 3 BTC
-   they increased their maximum bet amount on 9/17/2013 , but i put my whole account balance on a noname itf tennis match, insted of such players matches as Radwanska, Gulbis, Cornet ,Becker and only after the 8th match where i could bet on with higher amount (you can check my 8 bets that i placed after 9/17/2013 , max. 2 and 3 BTC  round sums, no decimal point  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300044.msg3220301#msg3220301 )
-   i withdrawed first only 1.2 BTC when my account balance was 24,24 BTC (not the half 12 BTC, only 1.2)  (in my bitcoin wallet i have more than 1000 bitcoins and i have fun with withdrawing 1.2 BTC)
-   they know that i will make another withdrawal request and so they paid it out only 53 hours later
-   i placed that fake bet when my account balance was 31,69 BTC, i opened the bet slip and typed 29,601,  consider i have never placed 3 decimal points sums,  insted of round sums at 10 times less stakes
-   and after my lost fake bet i withdrawed the remaining 2.089 BTC , and i got it after 21 hours without charged any fee (but earlier they always charged me and their customers with 0.5% fee)
-   it is only coincidence that if you count with 12 BTC withdrawal in the account balance history then exactly 20.89 remaning in my account before the they added the false bet , which equals exactly my second withdrawal request amount  (you can check it in here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3220958 )

so i had to bet on that tennis match exactly 29,601  beacuse with other amount the 12 -> 1.2  and 20.89 -> 2.089 conversation wont match  
(do not forget that bitcoinlivebets admit/shared those numbers too https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3220958 )



the fake bet match was a quarterfinal match , the winner gets $245  

(ITF Women’s Circuit $10,000 – 32 Draw (2% Fee = $200)
32 Singles 16 Doubles (per team)

Winner $1,568 $637
Finalist $ 980 $343
Semi-finalist $ 490 $196
Quarter-finalist $ 245 $ 98
Round of 16 $ 196 $ 49
Round of 32 $ 98 -
Total $7,644 $2,156

29,601 BTC is about $3600

(so if you are interested in it is time to you to launch a betting mafia, you could bet on itf tennis matches about 30 BTC on every market, (with multiple accounts more and more)  at bitcoinlivebets ,and you have to pay only a little sum to the cheating tennis player  , that would be the last day of a bookmaker who would accept such high stakes on such matches )

the maximum bet is on their site 3 BTC at this time



"Minimum bet: 0.001 BTC, maximum bet 3 BTC per bet combination"
after 5 minutes form my post , where i said that the max is only 3 BTC , the staring page changed  



"Minimum bet: 0.001 BTC"  
on there site there is nothing about withdrawal fees, of course they will update after my post, but you can check it in google site cache service

Earlier i  had 2 more withdrawals : with 0.5% fee   in my lost account , not in the new one
3 BTC --> 2.98511 BTC  
https://blockchain.info/tx/f15ef48d160b8a37f3a1bcf658146cb44674685dcfc5258c97910f7376e78ad6

26,474 BTC --> 9.93273311 BTC  +  16.40947689 BTC  =  26,34220799 ( i got this in 2 transactions)

https://blockchain.info/tx/73fed1684d8240f943245148951753dd1ec37b21ba21506d68a9a19e8cfe1e54
https://blockchain.info/tx/92080917a31320a17bd8f64d01f7271f54341593aa9e902c53ef8f41e8b0ad83

and here are the last two grabled withdrawals, without any fee  (1.2 and 2.089 insted of  12 and 20.89)

https://blockchain.info/de/tx/0954400b3b0a4d90063c2fc14e822a371dd58f5e0425cc2f5d1839187694eb06
https://blockchain.info/de/tx/a83779b04c91a6803b3d86bdd1378eeaee0834c2efe30ccb45a50ffc5aebd21b

(here i do not understand why the input output is much higher than the Estimated BTC Transacted)

there are 32 hours difference beetween the withdrawal requests but i got them only 2 minutes difference 53 hours (2 days 5 hours) later from my 1st withdrawal request (you can check it in the first bitcoinlivebets post in  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300044.msg3217793#msg3217793   )

bitcoinlivebets refered that they paid me out earlier 26 BTC,  but it is normal , i do not understand, perhaps they think if they paid me out earlier they did me a favor

first i sent this picture to bitcoinlivebets, but nothing happend



here is the evidence that bitcoinlivebets faked my account history, and added a false/fake bet to my account

they also modified my first 12 BTC (half of my current balance at that moment 24,24 BTC, i decided to withdraw only half)  withdrawal to 1.2  BTC and the second one 20.89 btc  to 2.089 btc

the last two columns (that i created, you can check it if you start from the button and add the stakes, winnings and loss) shows the current account balance at that moment , the false balance and the real one
if you  count with the faked 1.2 BTC  withdrawal amount then the balance will be 31,69 BTC before they added the fake bet to my history  with 29,601 stake ,  and so remain only 2,089 BTC  on my account

but if i count with the real amount 12 BTC then the account balance will be 20,89 BTC before that fake bet, what a suprise  my second requested withdrawal amount

or can it be only coincidence that  if i count that way the sums equals

i made video from my screen with my account history and transaction list on it,  to have more evidence before other faking happens or i cannot access to the site

Thats why you just dont bother betting ans KEEPING your winnings online once you log off!

Always withdraw your winnings!!

i have also screenshots,  will share it within 10 minutes

i can give you (send pm)  pro trusted user my login details  username/pass to login and check it  please , save it, make screenshots

i have an insight that bitcoinlivebets will fake my account or make it unavailable

here is my transaction list
No.   Point of time   Reference   Amount
14305   19.09.2013, 22:04 Uhr   Auszahlung: 1K42cYkr5wMND8myEhjfMvHxQVWmeq9Vok   -2,089000 BTC
14249   19.09.2013, 19:46 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6618   - 29,601000 BTC
14241   19.09.2013, 19:39 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6609 (Unterschein-ID 14105)   + 5,850000 BTC
14134   19.09.2013, 12:08 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6597 (Unterschein-ID 14093)   + 3,800000 BTC
13854   19.09.2013, 08:57 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6609   - 3,000000 BTC
13853   19.09.2013, 08:38 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6598 (Unterschein-ID 14094)   + 3,750000 BTC
13852   19.09.2013, 08:38 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6545 (Unterschein-ID 14041)   + 5,250000 BTC
13823   19.09.2013, 00:07 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6598   - 3,000000 BTC
13822   19.09.2013, 00:03 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6597   - 2,000000 BTC
13745   18.09.2013, 16:46 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6567   - 2,000000 BTC
13692   18.09.2013, 14:06 Uhr   Auszahlung: 1K42cYkr5wMND8myEhjfMvHxQVWmeq9Vok   -1,200000 BTC
13691   18.09.2013, 13:56 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6545   - 3,000000 BTC
13688   18.09.2013, 13:26 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6514 (Unterschein-ID 14010)   + 4,500000 BTC
13678   18.09.2013, 12:05 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6515 (Unterschein-ID 14011)   + 5,550000 BTC
13677   18.09.2013, 11:45 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6469 (Unterschein-ID 13964)   + 5,250000 BTC
13610   17.09.2013, 22:08 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6515   - 3,000000 BTC
13609   17.09.2013, 22:07 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6514   - 3,000000 BTC
13521   17.09.2013, 17:16 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6469   - 3,000000 BTC
13490   17.09.2013, 12:42 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6351 (Unterschein-ID 13830)   + 5,550000 BTC
13483   17.09.2013, 11:07 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6350 (Unterschein-ID 13829)   + 5,550000 BTC
13479   17.09.2013, 10:07 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6378 (Unterschein-ID 13857)   + 5,430000 BTC
13478   17.09.2013, 10:07 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6376 (Unterschein-ID 13855)   + 3,900000 BTC
13310   16.09.2013, 16:45 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6378   - 3,000000 BTC
13308   16.09.2013, 16:42 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6376   - 3,000000 BTC
13258   16.09.2013, 11:50 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6351   - 3,000000 BTC
13257   16.09.2013, 11:49 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6350   - 3,000000 BTC
13096   16.09.2013, 07:51 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6340 (Unterschein-ID 13770)   + 1,850000 BTC
13078   16.09.2013, 01:52 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6340   - 1,000000 BTC
13074   16.09.2013, 01:27 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6338   - 3,000000 BTC
13052   15.09.2013, 22:26 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6331   - 3,000000 BTC
10646   04.09.2013, 19:12 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 5186 (Unterschein-ID 12110)   + 5,550000 BTC
10632   04.09.2013, 18:27 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 5184 (Unterschein-ID 12108)   + 4,200000 BTC
10562   04.09.2013, 13:30 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 5187   - 2,640000 BTC
10561   04.09.2013, 13:27 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 5186   - 3,000000 BTC
10560   04.09.2013, 13:24 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 5185   - 2,210000 BTC
10559   04.09.2013, 13:24 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 5184   - 2,000000 BTC
10488   03.09.2013, 22:56 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 5119 (Unterschein-ID 12033)   + 3,800000 BTC
10438   03.09.2013, 18:28 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 5119   - 2,000000 BTC
10364   03.09.2013, 11:07 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 5014 (Unterschein-ID 11928)   + 4,200000 BTC
10358   03.09.2013, 10:33 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 5016 (Unterschein-ID 11930)   + 2,100000 BTC
10349   03.09.2013, 05:32 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 4916 (Unterschein-ID 11827)   + 5,700000 BTC
10263   02.09.2013, 19:51 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 5017   - 1,140000 BTC
10262   02.09.2013, 19:50 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 5016   - 1,000000 BTC
10261   02.09.2013, 19:48 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 5015   - 2,200000 BTC
10260   02.09.2013, 19:48 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 5014   - 2,000000 BTC
10117   02.09.2013, 10:55 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 4916   - 3,000000 BTC
9986   01.09.2013, 18:30 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 4867   - 1,000000 BTC
9713   31.08.2013, 21:26 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 4678 (Unterschein-ID 11506)   + 2,850000 BTC
9652   31.08.2013, 16:58 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 4678   - 1,500000 BTC
9524   31.08.2013, 01:39 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 4506 (Unterschein-ID 11331)   + 5,700000 BTC
9435   30.08.2013, 17:19 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 4466 (Unterschein-ID 11291)   + 2,625000 BTC
9436   30.08.2013, 17:19 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 4467 (Unterschein-ID 11292)   + 2,625000 BTC
9370   30.08.2013, 00:12 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 4506   - 3,000000 BTC
9311   29.08.2013, 18:15 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 4467   - 1,500000 BTC
9310   29.08.2013, 18:12 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 4466   - 1,500000 BTC
9309   29.08.2013, 18:05 Uhr   Einzahlung:   + 8,000000 BTC

here is my account history: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3219851

found this  , the fake bet that bitcoinlivebets added to my account  was a quarter final match

you can count how much money get the winner and the looser

i) ITF Women’s Circuit $10,000 – 32 Draw (2% Fee = $200)
32 Singles 16 Doubles (per team)

Winner $1,568 $637
Finalist $ 980 $343
Semi-finalist $ 490 $196
Quarter-finalist $ 245 $ 98
Round of 16 $ 196 $ 49
Round of 32 $ 98 -
Total $7,644 $2,156

so i was so mad to place 3500 $ to such a match on noname players , that is what bitcoinlivebets try to give you to believe that

here is my 2 regular withdrawals when bitcoinlivebets charged the amount 0.5% :  
(on there site there is nothing about withdrawal fees, of course they will update after my post, but you can check in in google site cache service)

3 BTC --> 2.98511 BTC https://blockchain.info/tx/f15ef48d160b8a37f3a1bcf658146cb44674685dcfc5258c97910f7376e78ad6
about 26,474 BTC (i dont know the correct amount, lost my details) --> 9.93273311 BTC  +  16.40947689 BTC  =  26,34220799 ( i got this in 2 transactions)

https://blockchain.info/tx/73fed1684d8240f943245148951753dd1ec37b21ba21506d68a9a19e8cfe1e54
https://blockchain.info/tx/92080917a31320a17bd8f64d01f7271f54341593aa9e902c53ef8f41e8b0ad83

This is also suspicious   , that my last 2 withdrawals (modified to 10% , 12 -> 1.2, 20.89 -> 2.089 ) not charged with 0.5% fee  , but these are not regular withdrawals ,

the timestamp of these withdrawals are grampled/fake/modifed at least the second one. (there are 32 hours difference beetween them, if we could believe to the timestamps)
i got them only 2 minutes difference (you can check it at the first post of bitcoinlivebets,) ,   53 hours (2 days 5 hours) later from my 1st withdrawal request if we could believe the first timestamp

bitcoinbetlives claim that i first withdrawed only 1.2 BTC  (when my balance was at least 20-25 BTC, i will count it later)  then i bet on an itf noname women tennis match  with 29,601000 BTC (10 times more then the  maxiumum bet amout  i placed ever here, about after 46 bets ) ,  but keep 2,089 BTC on my account , that i withdrawed after lost the fake bet  , so insted of  placed 30 BTC (what they claim now is the max bet), i filled the betting slip  with the 29,601 numbers

 so i risk almost all my account balace to a noname tennis match,  and not to an a match like this one , that i placed earlier
Final Result (in sets - best of 3) Radwanska, Agnieszka - Cabeza Candela, Estrella   2:0   -400
Stake: 3,000000 BTC (Bet by slip 3,000000 BTC), Possible winnings: 3,750000 BTC

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=215014.140 

check this topic too

bitcoinlivebets changed its tactic  talking about the false bet (they added to my account) , and not multiple account, and breaking rules

Sure, after you told us that this information in the english translation is old. Thank you for that. After user requests, we increased our maximum bet amount on 9/17/2013 for most bet types and pre match bets.
If your bet amount was just a literal error why didn't you tell us that just after you made the bet slip before the game started?

I am very sorry you lost your bet.

15 minutes ago  on their homepage :

"Minimum bet: 0.001 BTC, maximum bet 3 BTC per bet combination"

now :

" Minimum bet: 0.001 BTC"

of corse you can look at the timestamps on my false withdrawals (decreased only 10%) and the false bet
after i will share all my account histroy you could count my account balance

bitcoinlivebets says that i withdrawed  1.2  BTC  then placed a bet with  29,601 BTC  (but only 3 BTC is the max) and after it made another withdrawal 2.089 BTC  ,
(betting amount is about (1000%)  10 times more of the withdrawal amout )

and they always charged my withdrawals with some fee , but in this time i could get the whole amont 

i will share you all earlier withdrawals

"By the way, we paid also your 26 BTC you requested with your first account."

of course you paid , beacuse if a player wins and withdraw their winnings it is normal that sportsbookmakers pay them out

you paid out only 10% of my withdrawal     i requested 12 BTC and 20.89 BTC  

max bet is only 3 BTC , so it is imposibble to bet 29,601 BTC (with all my account balance amount) , you are lying again , or you have a very big bug in your site engine

i will share you all my account histroy , i made screenshots

"Minimum bet: 0.001 BTC, maximum bet 3 BTC per bet combination"

I hope problem is solved sbrzol. I really like this site, I know they work hard. I hope they will be here forever.

We didn't banish this user after we found the second account or the crawling actions. We just alludet, that we don't allow it in general. So the user could and can bet, deposit and withdrawl all the time.

We paid the exactly requested amount.

https://blockchain.info/de/tx/0954400b3b0a4d90063c2fc14e822a371dd58f5e0425cc2f5d1839187694eb06
https://blockchain.info/de/tx/a83779b04c91a6803b3d86bdd1378eeaee0834c2efe30ccb45a50ffc5aebd21b
By the way, we paid also your 26 BTC you requested with your first account.

I still don't get what is exactly the problem. It seems like that the user is now saying, he didn't add following bet to his account:


I hope it is okay to post your bet slips after you started this thread so I can defend our service a little bit. Of course I can remove it or post your transaction logs if you allow it.

After his lose of this bet slip, he threated us on several support tickets to pay the full amount he lost or he will publish something:
 (thus was it written)

Our site is after a lot of work more worth than I can allow to get a bad reputation by holding back some btc or similar things. We try to continue to offer a reliable service with honest methods. We expect honesty on the user side, too.

some gambling and dice games have problem like these they don't want to pay just want to have all in pocket

I have not read the complaint or even received one from sbrzol yet so this is a simple assumption response. If the player wasn't banned for winning previously or abusing some form of new player promotion, bitcoinlivebets will probably have a hard time convincing me or others that they have a legitimate reason for withholding the players winning bitcoins. When a bet is accepted it should stand unless a bad line was accidentally published or presented as an obvious error. It would appear the company basically "free rolled" him knowing they wasn't going to pay him if his bets happen to win.

they should have not refer such rules that they added before they answer my ticket ,after my registration,  that i have never accepted

"It is not allowed to use the site with tools which refresh it automatically (for example to crawl the odds)."


and try to understand this rule , this rule is about multiple persons (?) ,  not multiple accoun

"Membership is free. Accounts may only be created for natural persons and may not be used by multiple persons or for commercial use."

You should have read the ToS before signing up and depositing coins.

i will come up with another post about this site if this issue wont be resolved soon

bitcoinlivebets can say at any time that you ”crawl” their site and so break their rules , and hold back all your winnings

briefly:  they claim i broke their rules.     
-one of the rule they refer was added after i registered (29.08.2013),(without any customer notification/confirmation)   you can check google web cache to this page : http://bitcoinlivebets.com/index.php?action=agb
-the other rule for multiple accounts ,   i lost both my account password and email address password, so i cant recover it, so i had to create a new account and used only the new one, never made multiple/duplicate bets ,( i cannot access to the lost account) ,  i told this to bicoinlivebets, refer to other bookmakers behavior in such cases (lost account and new account) but 2 days left and i havent got any answer (my only fault is not to contact them when i create this new account, and bitcoinlivebets think it should cost me 30 BTC, 3500$ )

so i decide to share all about this issue to everybody on this forum
and please help me, give me bitcoin/betting links/sites/forums , where to share

and here is the whole story: 

i made 2 withdrawals 12 BTC and 20.89 BTC  four and five days ago.
 After about 30 hours from my first withdrawal i wrote a support ticket , because i did not get my btc.
”more than 1 day left from my withdrawal , it is time to send it to my address (both)”

”Sorry for the delay. We just sent you the Bitcoins.”

but i got 1.2 and 2.089 BTC only, without any other comment, so only 10%
and they added a  false bet to my accounthistory (perhaps to zero my account balance)
Total number of games 20.5 Romeo, Caroline - Szupper, Marlies   o   -147
Stake: 29,601000 BTC (Bet by slip 29,601000 BTC), Possible winnings: 0,000000 BTC

i asked them about this false bet and why i got only 10% of my btc

the answer:

"please note you earned with your first account already 16 BTC with bets which we offered accidently and no other bookmaker offered. You saw, that we paid you immediately this amount instead of voiding these bets (we could do that according to our Terms but we didnt).
However, this time we are not able to pay more than the amounts of 1.2 and 2.089 BTC you apparently requested, paid out yesterday both.

Note that due to our General Terms and Conditions it is not allowed to hold multiple accounts like you did.
It is also not allowed to crawl the pages like you did.
You accepted, but broke the rules."

I contacted them again :

"i think it is my and your interest to solve this issue.
First of all, i never made any duplicated/multiple bets, check it please, I moved another flat and i lost my password for this site and the password for my email address, so it was impossible to recover it and use it.
i had to create another account. (you should consider multiple accounts without multipe bets equal to single account, because the goal to forbid multiple accounts is to forbid multiple bets on the same market, not to get around the stake limit, i never did, you can check it)
okey it is my fault not to contact you at this time and say that i lost my account and could i create another one. sorry for that

if you know all what you say why are you waiting so far? i do not understand

(in ie8 the support answer cannot be opened )

i was the first who give you trust on bitcointalk.org

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:wkd1xD4d4b4J:bitcoinlivebets.com/index.php%3Faction%3Dagb+&cd=1
It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on 11 Sep 2013 13:28:58 GM
”It is not allowed to use the site with tools which refresh it automatically (for example to crawl the odds).”
so you add this new rule after i registered, and i never get any notification/email that your rules changed, and you never asked your customers to accept the new rules. and after all of you trying to refer this rule.

- you can try to forbid to crawl() your page but earlier betway.com tried to do similiar think, but removed it later not to losing its gambling license

https://www.bookmakersreview.com/bookmaker-news/betway-removes-terms-targeting-matched-bettors-and-arbers/44248

" Earlier last week, at the end of a review of the sportsbook rules, the Maltese bookmaker decided to remove the infamous rule and released the following official statement we publish in full:
"During early 2009, a paragraph was added to our terms and conditions that specifically disallowed matched betting and arbitrage betting. ""


" However, if the creation of multiple accounts is seen to be an honest mistake (for example you forgot your password and tried to create a new account rather than contacting support for assistance) then we will close the players duplicate account and transfer any balances to their original account at no additional charge."

i admit to make a mistake not to contacting to you when make a new account, but please you do not make a bigger mistake to hold back my BTC.

so my only fault is not to contact you when i lost my accout password (and email) and made a new account, but never placed any multiple/duplicate bet. and you think it should cost me 30 BTC about 3500 $
"

2 days left but no answer,  i asked them 3 hours ago again when will they answer, but still no answer
(in their gambling topic there is an answer from yesterday so they read my answers/tickets)