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hero member
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Last year bitcoinlivebets stealing all my winnings (30 BTC) but almost nobody believed for my words.

I warned everybody more times not to play on there site. 

if you click on bitcoinlivebets at bitcointalk.org you can see:



if you click on trust there is my topic too behind the reference link:



I was sure that they will disappear sooner or later.   ( i said 1-3 month on March 09, 2014, 10:45:05 PM )

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5612396
” bitcoinlivebets.com  will disappear within 1-3 month  after some big players with big balances try to withdrawal all their funds and only some of them will get it before the site closing.”

i opened at least 6 topics :

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoinlivebetscom-stealing-all-my-winnings-30-btc-300044  bitcoinlivebets.com stealing all my winnings 30 BTC
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/arbsmiddles-between-bitcoinlivebets-and-other-sites-312080  arbs/middles between bitcoinlivebets and other sites 
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/real-story-how-bitcoincasinopro-handling-issues-309060    real story : how bitcoincasinopro handling issues
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/2593238-bicoinlivetbets-stealing-all-my-winnings-30btc-3600-a.html
http://www.bookmakersforum.com/bookmakers/bitcoinlivebets-stealing-all-my-winnings-30btc-3600/264

i wrote (private) messages about this issue to all bitcoin sports books (at bitcointalkorg), but they do nothing and to top it all  bitcoincasinopro contribute to bitcoinlivebets
stealing.
http://bitcoincasinopro.com/reviews/bitcoinlivebets-com/29-60-btc-complaint-against-bitcoinlivebets-com-unsubstantiated/

It is obviously for a 10 years old child, who could use calculator that bitcoinlivebets added a fake bet (above 10 times more stake than the max. 3 BTC)  to my account to
http://www25.zippyshare.com/d/26342332/73256/bitcoinkivebetsfakeaccounthistory.xlsx
(the old links does not work)
newbie
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we answered all questions off you.

We also had a check from an external rating Site (bitcoincasinopro). You can also read the Article on the Site.


Sorry...sometimes you also lose a bet. We have more than 700 users. There is no Problem like you have with us.

You won more than xx btc's on our page. So be happy!

you answered nothing :   you never sent me nothing

here is my first 4 question:

1 : Could you confirm that your users can place 30 BTC on an itf tennis match total games ?    yes/no

2 : Could you confirm that i asked my withdrawal to 1MCLkWa9BU2vEt5vJG9nojJc78N4WN6dZP  address and not 1PzrpRWJRzLtAdDtn1SWEAz2o2YHh9o13x ?     yes/no

3: Could you confirm that any of these sender address(48) in the below transaction belongs to you
https://blockchain.info/tx/ec5bc76182707a2f8b45e18bf024cfa5aecef6498229e1d3ac0bca880d2300f2   ?     yes/no

4: Can you give me transaction detalis on this record  7888 17.08.2013, 15:08 Uhr Einzahlung: + 1,094120 BTC   ?  hash

but like earlier you wont say nothing again ,  only we have 700 users , never happend, ....   
yes,  i hope it will never happen again, you wont dare to do it again




From all posted details, i think if they can answer the above 4 questions then the case will solve itself.

sr. member
Activity: 358
Merit: 250
bitcoinlivebets clearly stated that the maximum bet was 3btc.

By allowing a user to place a higher bet (if it was actually real) they broke their own rules as was clearly stated.
The bet in question should either be

a) null and void and money returned as it broke the terms and conditions
b) have 3btc taken from it and the rest refunded as the excess of the bet was against their terms and conditions.

If they are trying to claim that it was still possible to place high bets (nearly 10x the maximum allowed) then that is their fault and their mistake.

there is no way in hell the bet should be taken the way it has, it should be null and void or else they are breaking their own rules.
If they are going to keep the coins and accept the bet then it renders every other term and coindition on their rules null and void as they have proven that it is fine to break their rules and they actually break their own rules

either way, i wont be touching this company with a 10ft barge pole and i would advise anyone else to do the same.
hero member
Activity: 569
Merit: 500
hero member
Activity: 569
Merit: 500
what do you think if i start a new topic on bitcoincasinopro , will they answer me ?
i will share all our email conversation
hero member
Activity: 569
Merit: 500
we answered all questions off you.

We also had a check from an external rating Site (bitcoincasinopro). You can also read the Article on the Site.


Sorry...sometimes you also lose a bet. We have more than 700 users. There is no Problem like you have with us.

You won more than xx btc's on our page. So be happy!

you answered nothing :   you never sent me nothing

here is my first 4 question:

1 : Could you confirm that your users can place 30 BTC on an itf tennis match total games ?    yes/no

2 : Could you confirm that i asked my withdrawal to 1MCLkWa9BU2vEt5vJG9nojJc78N4WN6dZP  address and not 1PzrpRWJRzLtAdDtn1SWEAz2o2YHh9o13x ?     yes/no

3: Could you confirm that any of these sender address(48) in the below transaction belongs to you
https://blockchain.info/tx/ec5bc76182707a2f8b45e18bf024cfa5aecef6498229e1d3ac0bca880d2300f2   ?     yes/no

4: Can you give me transaction detalis on this record  7888 17.08.2013, 15:08 Uhr Einzahlung: + 1,094120 BTC   ?  hash

but like earlier you wont say nothing again ,  only we have 700 users , never happend, ....   
yes,  i hope it will never happen again, you wont dare to do it again










sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
we answered all questions off you.

We also had a check from an external rating Site (bitcoincasinopro). You can also read the Article on the Site.


Sorry...sometimes you also lose a bet. We have more than 700 users. There is no Problem like you have with us.

You won more than xx btc's on our page. So be happy!
hero member
Activity: 569
Merit: 500
after bitcoincasinopro shared  this post http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/reviews/bitcoinlivebets-com/29-60-btc-complaint-against-bitcoinlivebets-com-unsubstantiated/  without noticed me about it or asked me about my outpayment address
bitcoincasinopro  does not answer for my emails more than 9 days (3-4 emails)

i do not understand how could afford bitcoincasinopro  not to answer to complaints/questions.
At least they should say we closed your complaint, do not send any new emails in this subject.


Your request seems a little backwards.  It's not your obligation to prove an address isn't yours— thats basically impossible— if someone owes you money its their responsibility to prove to you the address they paid was one you gave them.

bitcoinlivebets have to prove to send it to my address but until now they prove nothing ,
they also never answered any of my questions in this forum
bitcoincasinopro got an address from bitcoinlivebets (that does not belong to me)  and ignoring all my emails after it

i will share more information

my emails to  bitcoincasinopro:


hero member
Activity: 569
Merit: 500
it is time to be a tennis player,  play on challenger and itf tournaments  and you can earn $10000 or more weekly
only place 3-4 bets at 30 BTC on yourself

but i am sure i was the only person who could bet 29,601 BTC , nobody else,  or bitcoinlivebets added that bet excatly 29,601 BTC  to be able to falsified my withdrawals amount to only 10%
hero member
Activity: 569
Merit: 500
he just faked details here...we discussed it with him in several times....also a expert for betting sites had looked on the details.


http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/reviews/bitcoinlivebets-com/29-60-btc-complaint-against-bitcoinlivebets-com-unsubstantiated/


so for us is no more need to discuss it here with him. We will also have in the future a better look on betting like this. It was luck for us, that he lose his big bet. Before he also had won with other accounts XX BTC's.

if you had any more questions--> write us a message!

in here there is another issue:

this transaction mentioned above:
https://blockchain.info/tx/ec5bc76182707a2f8b45e18bf024cfa5aecef6498229e1d3ac0bca880d2300f2  does not belong to me

from transaction list:
9069 28.08.2013, 01:25 Uhr Auszahlung: 1MCLkWa9BU2vEt5vJG9nojJc78N4WN6dZP   -26,474000 BTC

Bitcoinlivebets  could you confirm  this record in my transaction list? 


i asked my withdrawal to 1MCLkWa9BU2vEt5vJG9nojJc78N4WN6dZP  address

until now bitcoincasinopro  does nothing , i am waiting their answer more than 2 days, they public that post on their webpage without asking me  about outpayment address and others

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-can-i-prove-that-an-address-does-not-belong-to-me-304872    here is another topic  

i am sure bitcoinlivebets cant prove that any of the sender addresses (48 pieces)  belong to him
but as i see nobody cares about it

sr. member
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he just faked details here...we discussed it with him in several times....also a expert for betting sites had looked on the details.


http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/reviews/bitcoinlivebets-com/29-60-btc-complaint-against-bitcoinlivebets-com-unsubstantiated/


so for us is no more need to discuss it here with him. We will also have in the future a better look on betting like this. It was luck for us, that he lose his big bet. Before he also had won with other accounts XX BTC's.

if you had any more questions--> write us a message!
hero member
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As I've said, the only way you are going to get this sorted out is with arbitration. If they agree to it, then you will get a decision one way or the other. If they don't agree to it, then that would be terrible PR for them. So I expect they will agree. But you have to get the ball rolling .....

 
hero member
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That doesn't mean the bet wasn't placed.  I would like to hear more about the "mistakes" that the bettor in question had taken advantage of in the past.

was placed by bitcoinlivebets



xlsx file where you can check the unbelievable coincidence  (5 minutes only)
http://www46.zippyshare.com/d/82456415/1815851/bitcoinkivebetsfakeaccounthistory.xlsx
hero member
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What were some of the amounts of other withdraws? You make an interesting point about withdrawing 1.2 BTC. I have no dog in this fight but like to know what really happened.

1st lost account:
1st deposit 0,5 BTC   https://blockchain.info/tx/2f0378c9d5b7baf080d40e345fdc127fb1f8487d6c29dbb581a23b745dd9dfb8      
2nd deposit 1 BTC   https://blockchain.info/tx/200df200776a3cbba3a042e50bd200eeda957ece976c1ab186c842e3eb806f85      
3rd deposit 1.1 BTC   https://blockchain.info/tx/8386bf5b6fcb47c267e2f9f63d9cc75c05e4f032eb146b7a6bcc21460507fab2         
1st withdrawal 3 BTC (-0.5% FEE)   https://blockchain.info/tx/f15ef48d160b8a37f3a1bcf658146cb44674685dcfc5258c97910f7376e78ad6      
4th deposit 10 BTC   https://blockchain.info/tx/43ee8d0eae3b1f22445761ed8dc3af6a1a5df4c1e6f807c5045007c09e34e39e      
2nd withdrawal 26,48 BTC (full balance) https://blockchain.info/tx/73fed1684d8240f943245148951753dd1ec37b21ba21506d68a9a19e8cfe1e54   
in 2 transcation (-0.5 % FEE)   https://blockchain.info/tx/92080917a31320a17bd8f64d01f7271f54341593aa9e902c53ef8f41e8b0ad83   


2nd account:
1st deposit 8 BTC:   https://blockchain.info/tx/18592e5e0c4c9d85339522f8e421d8471ca7ed3885b809882a25b91a61ea288f
1st withdrawal  1.2BTC (instead of 12 BTC) acccount balance: 24,24 BTC : https://blockchain.info/tx/a83779b04c91a6803b3d86bdd1378eeaee0834c2efe30ccb45a50ffc5aebd21b     requested: 18.09.2013 14:06 recieved:  20.09.2013 19:46 ( 53,5 hours left)
2nd withdrawal: (full balance) 2.089 BTC (instead of 20.89) : https://blockchain.info/tx/0954400b3b0a4d90063c2fc14e822a371dd58f5e0425cc2f5d1839187694eb06   requested: 19.09.2013 22:04 recieved:  20.09.2013 19:48 ( 21,5 hours left)  (but beetween the last 2 withdrawals recieving time only 2 minutes, the fake bet was placed beetween the 2 withdrawals )





full member
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we still expained it in detail. it was possible to place higher bets.

There is something seriously wrong with risk management if you allow people to bet 29BTC to some random never heard tennis tournament. I've done arbitrage for a living so I would say I'm (or at least was in 2010-2011, I doubt they've changed that much) well aware of the betting limits in the industry. There is just no way some bitcoin sportsbook can take that much action.

What are your betting limits in a Champions League football, let's say Ajax vs. AC Milan which was played today.

I have no idea what really happened here. OP clearly violated the TOS by creating two accounts but did he increase his bet size ten times compared to his previous bets? How can you take that much action? I'm at loss with this case  Huh






This is true.  If a book has a limit of several thousand dollars on a low level tennis tournament, it's because someone has made a mistake.  It doesn't look good that the site has refused to address the question 'what are your betting limits for Challenger type tennis tournaments?"

That doesn't mean the bet wasn't placed.  I would like to hear more about the "mistakes" that the bettor in question had taken advantage of in the past.
newbie
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This is why I'll wait with betting on bookers that deal with btc. Its so easy for someone to not be legit in this cryptocoinbusiness. I really hope everything sorts out OP.
sr. member
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we still expained it in detail. it was possible to place higher bets.

There is something seriously wrong with risk management if you allow people to bet 29BTC to some random never heard tennis tournament. I've done arbitrage for a living so I would say I'm (or at least was in 2010-2011, I doubt they've changed that much) well aware of the betting limits in the industry. There is just no way some bitcoin sportsbook can take that much action.

What are your betting limits in a Champions League football, let's say Ajax vs. AC Milan which was played today.

I have no idea what really happened here. OP clearly violated the TOS by creating two accounts but did he increase his bet size ten times compared to his previous bets? How can you take that much action? I'm at loss with this case  Huh



sr. member
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i will put a question day after day

Here is the first one :

Can you imagine that i withdrawed only 1.2 BTC instead of 12 BTC the half amount of my full account balance ( account balance at this point 24,24 BTC )  when i  have more than 1000 BTC in my bitcoin wallet ?



if you can it imagine then please share your opinion what could be the reason



from my 1st account transaction list:    7888 17.08.2013, 15:08 Uhr Einzahlung: + 1,094120 BTC     (there is no such record in my bitcoin wallet history)




What were some of the amounts of other withdraws? You make an interesting point about withdrawing 1.2 BTC. I have no dog in this fight but like to know what really happened.
sr. member
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My suggestion is this.

It's pretty clear that this dispute is not going to be sorted out here by you and they arguing about what has happened.

I'd say the best thing is for you to offer to bitcoinlivebets.com to agree arbitration by some trusted forum member.

if they don't agree, then that looks very bad for them (they should have an arbitration procedure anyway) so it is in their interests to agree.

Then you can let the arbitrator decide.

Maybe someone that can speak the betters native language, because I think he is having trouble conveying his point. He doesn't seem to be a native English speaker.
hero member
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My suggestion is this.

It's pretty clear that this dispute is not going to be sorted out here by you and they arguing about what has happened.

I'd say the best thing is for you to offer to bitcoinlivebets.com to agree arbitration by some trusted forum member.

if they don't agree, then that looks very bad for them (they should have an arbitration procedure anyway) so it is in their interests to agree.

Then you can let the arbitrator decide.
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