bitcoinlivebets.com stealing all my winnings 30 BTC

sbrzol

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Last year bitcoinlivebets stealing all my winnings (30 BTC) but almost nobody believed for my words.

I warned everybody more times not to play on there site.

if you click on bitcoinlivebets at bitcointalk.org you can see:

if you click on trust there is my topic too behind the reference link:

I was sure that they will disappear sooner or later. ( i said 1-3 month on March 09, 2014, 10:45:05 PM )

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5612396
” bitcoinlivebets.com will disappear within 1-3 month after some big players with big balances try to withdrawal all their funds and only some of them will get it before the site closing.”

i opened at least 6 topics :

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoinlivebetscom-stealing-all-my-winnings-30-btc-300044 bitcoinlivebets.com stealing all my winnings 30 BTC
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/arbsmiddles-between-bitcoinlivebets-and-other-sites-312080 arbs/middles between bitcoinlivebets and other sites
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/real-story-how-bitcoincasinopro-handling-issues-309060 real story : how bitcoincasinopro handling issues
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/2593238-bicoinlivetbets-stealing-all-my-winnings-30btc-3600-a.html
http://www.bookmakersforum.com/bookmakers/bitcoinlivebets-stealing-all-my-winnings-30btc-3600/264

i wrote (private) messages about this issue to all bitcoin sports books (at bitcointalkorg), but they do nothing and to top it all bitcoincasinopro contribute to bitcoinlivebets
stealing.
http://bitcoincasinopro.com/reviews/bitcoinlivebets-com/29-60-btc-complaint-against-bitcoinlivebets-com-unsubstantiated/

It is obviously for a 10 years old child, who could use calculator that bitcoinlivebets added a fake bet (above 10 times more stake than the max. 3 BTC) to my account to
http://www25.zippyshare.com/d/26342332/73256/bitcoinkivebetsfakeaccounthistory.xlsx
(the old links does not work)

trilightzone.org

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Quote from: sbrzol on October 08, 2013, 11:30:37 AM

Quote from: BitcoinLiveBets.com on October 08, 2013, 07:06:17 AM

we answered all questions off you.

We also had a check from an external rating Site (bitcoincasinopro). You can also read the Article on the Site.

Sorry...sometimes you also lose a bet. We have more than 700 users. There is no Problem like you have with us.

You won more than xx btc's on our page. So be happy!

you answered nothing : you never sent me nothing

here is my first 4 question:

1 : Could you confirm that your users can place 30 BTC on an itf tennis match total games ? yes/no

2 : Could you confirm that i asked my withdrawal to 1MCLkWa9BU2vEt5vJG9nojJc78N4WN6dZP address and not 1PzrpRWJRzLtAdDtn1SWEAz2o2YHh9o13x ? yes/no

3: Could you confirm that any of these sender address(48) in the below transaction belongs to you
https://blockchain.info/tx/ec5bc76182707a2f8b45e18bf024cfa5aecef6498229e1d3ac0bca880d2300f2 ? yes/no

4: Can you give me transaction detalis on this record 7888 17.08.2013, 15:08 Uhr Einzahlung: + 1,094120 BTC ? hash

but like earlier you wont say nothing again , only we have 700 users , never happend, ....
yes, i hope it will never happen again, you wont dare to do it again

From all posted details, i think if they can answer the above 4 questions then the case will solve itself.

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bitcoinlivebets clearly stated that the maximum bet was 3btc.

By allowing a user to place a higher bet (if it was actually real) they broke their own rules as was clearly stated.
The bet in question should either be

a) null and void and money returned as it broke the terms and conditions
b) have 3btc taken from it and the rest refunded as the excess of the bet was against their terms and conditions.

If they are trying to claim that it was still possible to place high bets (nearly 10x the maximum allowed) then that is their fault and their mistake.

there is no way in hell the bet should be taken the way it has, it should be null and void or else they are breaking their own rules.
If they are going to keep the coins and accept the bet then it renders every other term and coindition on their rules null and void as they have proven that it is fine to break their rules and they actually break their own rules

either way, i wont be touching this company with a 10ft barge pole and i would advise anyone else to do the same.

sbrzol

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real story: how bitcoincasinopro handling issues
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/real-story-how-bitcoincasinopro-handling-issues-309060

sbrzol

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what do you think if i start a new topic on bitcoincasinopro , will they answer me ?
i will share all our email conversation

sbrzol

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Quote from: BitcoinLiveBets.com on October 08, 2013, 07:06:17 AM

we answered all questions off you.

We also had a check from an external rating Site (bitcoincasinopro). You can also read the Article on the Site.

Sorry...sometimes you also lose a bet. We have more than 700 users. There is no Problem like you have with us.

You won more than xx btc's on our page. So be happy!

you answered nothing : you never sent me nothing

here is my first 4 question:

1 : Could you confirm that your users can place 30 BTC on an itf tennis match total games ? yes/no

2 : Could you confirm that i asked my withdrawal to 1MCLkWa9BU2vEt5vJG9nojJc78N4WN6dZP address and not 1PzrpRWJRzLtAdDtn1SWEAz2o2YHh9o13x ? yes/no

3: Could you confirm that any of these sender address(48) in the below transaction belongs to you
https://blockchain.info/tx/ec5bc76182707a2f8b45e18bf024cfa5aecef6498229e1d3ac0bca880d2300f2 ? yes/no

4: Can you give me transaction detalis on this record 7888 17.08.2013, 15:08 Uhr Einzahlung: + 1,094120 BTC ? hash

but like earlier you wont say nothing again , only we have 700 users , never happend, ....
yes, i hope it will never happen again, you wont dare to do it again

BitcoinLiveBets.com

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we answered all questions off you.

We also had a check from an external rating Site (bitcoincasinopro). You can also read the Article on the Site.

Sorry...sometimes you also lose a bet. We have more than 700 users. There is no Problem like you have with us.

You won more than xx btc's on our page. So be happy!

sbrzol

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after bitcoincasinopro shared this post http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/reviews/bitcoinlivebets-com/29-60-btc-complaint-against-bitcoinlivebets-com-unsubstantiated/ without noticed me about it or asked me about my outpayment address
bitcoincasinopro does not answer for my emails more than 9 days (3-4 emails)

i do not understand how could afford bitcoincasinopro not to answer to complaints/questions.
At least they should say we closed your complaint, do not send any new emails in this subject.

Quote from: gmaxwell on September 29, 2013, 08:46:59 PM

Your request seems a little backwards. It's not your obligation to prove an address isn't yours— thats basically impossible— if someone owes you money its their responsibility to prove to you the address they paid was one you gave them.

bitcoinlivebets have to prove to send it to my address but until now they prove nothing ,
they also never answered any of my questions in this forum
bitcoincasinopro got an address from bitcoinlivebets (that does not belong to me) and ignoring all my emails after it

i will share more information

my emails to bitcoincasinopro:

sbrzol

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it is time to be a tennis player, play on challenger and itf tournaments and you can earn $10000 or more weekly
only place 3-4 bets at 30 BTC on yourself

but i am sure i was the only person who could bet 29,601 BTC , nobody else, or bitcoinlivebets added that bet excatly 29,601 BTC to be able to falsified my withdrawals amount to only 10%

sbrzol

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Quote from: BitcoinLiveBets.com on October 02, 2013, 06:51:18 AM

he just faked details here...we discussed it with him in several times....also a expert for betting sites had looked on the details.

http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/reviews/bitcoinlivebets-com/29-60-btc-complaint-against-bitcoinlivebets-com-unsubstantiated/

so for us is no more need to discuss it here with him. We will also have in the future a better look on betting like this. It was luck for us, that he lose his big bet. Before he also had won with other accounts XX BTC's.

if you had any more questions--> write us a message!

in here there is another issue:

this transaction mentioned above:
https://blockchain.info/tx/ec5bc76182707a2f8b45e18bf024cfa5aecef6498229e1d3ac0bca880d2300f2 does not belong to me

from transaction list:
9069 28.08.2013, 01:25 Uhr Auszahlung: 1MCLkWa9BU2vEt5vJG9nojJc78N4WN6dZP -26,474000 BTC

Bitcoinlivebets could you confirm this record in my transaction list?

i asked my withdrawal to 1MCLkWa9BU2vEt5vJG9nojJc78N4WN6dZP address

until now bitcoincasinopro does nothing , i am waiting their answer more than 2 days, they public that post on their webpage without asking me about outpayment address and others

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-can-i-prove-that-an-address-does-not-belong-to-me-304872 here is another topic

i am sure bitcoinlivebets cant prove that any of the sender addresses (48 pieces) belong to him
but as i see nobody cares about it

BitcoinLiveBets.com

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he just faked details here...we discussed it with him in several times....also a expert for betting sites had looked on the details.

http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/reviews/bitcoinlivebets-com/29-60-btc-complaint-against-bitcoinlivebets-com-unsubstantiated/

so for us is no more need to discuss it here with him. We will also have in the future a better look on betting like this. It was luck for us, that he lose his big bet. Before he also had won with other accounts XX BTC's.

if you had any more questions--> write us a message!

davidgdg

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As I've said, the only way you are going to get this sorted out is with arbitration. If they agree to it, then you will get a decision one way or the other. If they don't agree to it, then that would be terrible PR for them. So I expect they will agree. But you have to get the ball rolling .....

sbrzol

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Quote from: KGambler on October 01, 2013, 08:48:47 PM

That doesn't mean the bet wasn't placed. I would like to hear more about the "mistakes" that the bettor in question had taken advantage of in the past.

was placed by bitcoinlivebets

xlsx file where you can check the unbelievable coincidence (5 minutes only)
http://www46.zippyshare.com/d/82456415/1815851/bitcoinkivebetsfakeaccounthistory.xlsx

sbrzol

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Quote from: bitcoinsrock on October 01, 2013, 03:38:46 PM

What were some of the amounts of other withdraws? You make an interesting point about withdrawing 1.2 BTC. I have no dog in this fight but like to know what really happened.

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Quote from: MXRider on October 01, 2013, 04:17:11 PM

Quote from: BitcoinLiveBets.com on October 01, 2013, 12:17:08 PM

we still expained it in detail. it was possible to place higher bets.

There is something seriously wrong with risk management if you allow people to bet 29BTC to some random never heard tennis tournament. I've done arbitrage for a living so I would say I'm (or at least was in 2010-2011, I doubt they've changed that much) well aware of the betting limits in the industry. There is just no way some bitcoin sportsbook can take that much action.

What are your betting limits in a Champions League football, let's say Ajax vs. AC Milan which was played today.

I have no idea what really happened here. OP clearly violated the TOS by creating two accounts but did he increase his bet size ten times compared to his previous bets? How can you take that much action? I'm at loss with this case Huh

This is true. If a book has a limit of several thousand dollars on a low level tennis tournament, it's because someone has made a mistake. It doesn't look good that the site has refused to address the question 'what are your betting limits for Challenger type tennis tournaments?"

That doesn't mean the bet wasn't placed. I would like to hear more about the "mistakes" that the bettor in question had taken advantage of in the past.

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This is why I'll wait with betting on bookers that deal with btc. Its so easy for someone to not be legit in this cryptocoinbusiness. I really hope everything sorts out OP.

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Quote from: BitcoinLiveBets.com on October 01, 2013, 12:17:08 PM

we still expained it in detail. it was possible to place higher bets.

There is something seriously wrong with risk management if you allow people to bet 29BTC to some random never heard tennis tournament. I've done arbitrage for a living so I would say I'm (or at least was in 2010-2011, I doubt they've changed that much) well aware of the betting limits in the industry. There is just no way some bitcoin sportsbook can take that much action.

What are your betting limits in a Champions League football, let's say Ajax vs. AC Milan which was played today.

I have no idea what really happened here. OP clearly violated the TOS by creating two accounts but did he increase his bet size ten times compared to his previous bets? How can you take that much action? I'm at loss with this case Huh

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Quote from: sbrzol on October 01, 2013, 12:36:30 PM

i will put a question day after day

Here is the first one :

Can you imagine that i withdrawed only 1.2 BTC instead of 12 BTC the half amount of my full account balance ( account balance at this point 24,24 BTC ) when i have more than 1000 BTC in my bitcoin wallet ?

if you can it imagine then please share your opinion what could be the reason

from my 1st account transaction list: 7888 17.08.2013, 15:08 Uhr Einzahlung: + 1,094120 BTC (there is no such record in my bitcoin wallet history)

What were some of the amounts of other withdraws? You make an interesting point about withdrawing 1.2 BTC. I have no dog in this fight but like to know what really happened.

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Quote from: davidgdg on October 01, 2013, 01:59:11 PM

My suggestion is this.

It's pretty clear that this dispute is not going to be sorted out here by you and they arguing about what has happened.

I'd say the best thing is for you to offer to bitcoinlivebets.com to agree arbitration by some trusted forum member.

if they don't agree, then that looks very bad for them (they should have an arbitration procedure anyway) so it is in their interests to agree.

Then you can let the arbitrator decide.

Maybe someone that can speak the betters native language, because I think he is having trouble conveying his point. He doesn't seem to be a native English speaker.

davidgdg

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My suggestion is this.

It's pretty clear that this dispute is not going to be sorted out here by you and they arguing about what has happened.

I'd say the best thing is for you to offer to bitcoinlivebets.com to agree arbitration by some trusted forum member.

if they don't agree, then that looks very bad for them (they should have an arbitration procedure anyway) so it is in their interests to agree.

Then you can let the arbitrator decide.

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