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Topic: Bitcoin's 21million total coin supply hinders it immensely - page 5. (Read 6028 times)

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I've read somewhere that in a few millions years, the sun is going to die, and we will all die. But I don't care, just like I don't care about the 21 million limit. It shouldn't mean anything to anyone.
Best post in thread.

If you have 10btc today, you don't actually have 10 units of wealth. You have 10,000,000 units of wealth. Call them whatever you want.

When the day comes that 1 Satoshi >= 1 dollar, you will understand why that distinction is important.

Actually you have 1,000,000,000. But who's counting?

legendary
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Stagnation is Death
Look ^ bagholders with riches struck eyes, too bad they will be paupers soon with btc tanking
I see. What coin does the Indian cryptocurrency scene use then?

Machine Coin - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/machinecoin-mac-552633
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This is like complaining there are only so many $1000 bills in the world...absolutely stupid.
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Look ^ bagholders with riches struck eyes, too bad they will be paupers soon with btc tanking
I see. What coin does the Indian cryptocurrency scene use then?
legendary
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Stagnation is Death
The best part about bitcoin is that dumb people fail at understanding it and will be the last to adopt. Its a wealth transfer from the dumb to the smart.

This ^

Look ^ bagholders with riches struck eyes, too bad they will be paupers soon with btc tanking
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The best part about bitcoin is that dumb people fail at understanding it and will be the last to adopt. Its a wealth transfer from the dumb to the smart.

This ^
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The topic has never, ever been discussed before, congrats OP.
Some people will think mBit is a solution.
Others are happy with earning 0.0005 BTC

This "problem" gives hope and purpose to at least a few alt coins which will thrive in the future.
alts like Dimecoin?  Grin Grin Grin I couldn't resist.
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A Great Time to Start Something!
The topic has never, ever been discussed before, congrats OP.
Some people will think mBit is a solution.
Others are happy with earning 0.0005 BTC

This "problem" gives hope and purpose to at least a few alt coins which will thrive in the future.
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Bitcoin has a 21 total of 21million coins that could ever be produced.

I think that in itself hinders Bitcoin immensely, I mean there are over 6billion people on Earth, 300million+ just in America, Billion+ in China, etc etc.

Most people, including myself are turned off by the fact that you have to divide bitcoin into ridiculous decimal places. Most people also don't care about having to do the math behind it to figure how much bitoin is worth this object etc etc. It would of been much better if there were different types of bitcoin, like bitcoin=1bitcoin, macrobitcoin=.5bitcoin, microbitcoin= .25 bitcoin etc etc.

This also leads me to believe, that bitcoin was created as a fun Project by Satoshi, if Bitcoin was meant to be serious, then I'm sure it would of had a more realistic number than 21million total coin supply for long term use, this means bitcoin wasn't meant to serious and regarded as it is today by Satoshi..

From first look with the perspective on someone who never seen or heard about bitcoin before, If I saw that Bitcoin had a total coin supply of 21million coins, or that 21million were the max amount of coins that would ever exist and the ridiculous decimal places and math required for bitcoin..I would bypass Bitcoin easily..This is what most people think when they see or hear of bitcoin...
I have been saying this for 2 years. Nobody listens.
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The best part about bitcoin is that dumb people fail at understanding it and will be the last to adopt. Its a wealth transfer from the dumb to the smart.
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
Bitcoin has a 21 total of 21million coins that could ever be produced.

I think that in itself hinders Bitcoin immensely, I mean there are over 6billion people on Earth, 300million+ just in America, Billion+ in China, etc etc.

Most people, including myself are turned off by the fact that you have to divide bitcoin into ridiculous decimal places. Most people also don't care about having to do the math behind it to figure how much bitoin is worth this object etc etc. It would of been much better if there were different types of bitcoin, like bitcoin=1bitcoin, macrobitcoin=.5bitcoin, microbitcoin= .25 bitcoin etc etc.

This also leads me to believe, that bitcoin was created as a fun Project by Satoshi, if Bitcoin was meant to be serious, then I'm sure it would of had a more realistic number than 21million total coin supply for long term use, this means bitcoin wasn't meant to serious and regarded as it is today by Satoshi..

From first look with the perspective on someone who never seen or heard about bitcoin before, If I saw that Bitcoin had a total coin supply of 21million coins, or that 21million were the max amount of coins that would ever exist and the ridiculous decimal places and math required for bitcoin..I would bypass Bitcoin easily..This is what most people think when they see or hear of bitcoin...

are you stupid, or just trolling?
legendary
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I've read somewhere that in a few millions years, the sun is going to die, and we will all die. But I don't care, just like I don't care about the 21 million limit. It shouldn't mean anything to anyone.

And, unlike the Sun, the bitcoin software can easily be modified to remove the 21 million coin limit.
This has been done already,
it's called an altcoin.
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If you know this you would not even ask the question in the first place http://www.bitnote.co - knowledge is power!
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I've read somewhere that in a few millions years, the sun is going to die, and we will all die. But I don't care, just like I don't care about the 21 million limit. It shouldn't mean anything to anyone.

And, unlike the Sun, the bitcoin software can easily be modified to remove the 21 million coin limit.

Big LOL at the notion that Bitcoins are "scarce".  One Satoshi isn't even the minimum divisible amount and there will be 21 trillion of them when that limit is hit.  Scarce my ass.
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Bitcoin: The People's Bailout
Problem is exactly what you said..mainstream society, which is Most of Society is turned off by all these "microbits" and "satoshi", it's too irregular. I have friends who don't care about Bitcoin but know the basics about it, wanna know why they dont care? Because bitcoin is offputting with all it's math, and the 21million total limit makes it seem as if the currency itself wasn't designed to be thought of seriously.

The math isn't that complicated.  Sounds like the problem is with the public education system, not Bitcoin.  Instead of dumbing down Bitcoin, perhaps the sheeple need to wisen up.
legendary
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Its true though. If there are 21 million bitcoins, and they currently at about 500$, that means there can be about 10.5 billion dollars worth of bitcoin that is avaliable. That is a massive amount of money, but not enough to hold a lot of money for people like governments, or rich people like bill gates. ..

Exactly this^^
The point is,
if governments, or rich people like bill gates would want to buy all those 21 million (or rather ~12.5 million that are mined so far) coins,
they would fail badly.
They'd probably have to pay way more than 10.5 billion dollars to get even half the coins (if there is that much for sale at all).
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It would be more convenient if Bitcoin were to evolve so that 1 unit (say BTC 0.0000001 or whatever) became synonymous with, and had a nominally accepted value of an everyday object such as an apple or a brick or something.

"Bitcoin? That'll do nicely! Your bill, Sir, comes to 4 bricks and 78 pins"


Martin.
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I don't see the problem with people getting used to the denominations.  Everyone does it when they switch from currency to currency. You don't even have to do any calculations when paying, anyway, because it is all digital.
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Okay so we covered how "there's only ever going to be 21 million of them!" is a non-issue, now I see we have moved on to "but people find it hard to deal with more than two decimal places!"

Can we agree that if Bitcoin is ever to be wildly successful, we are still a very very long way, if ever, from Bitcoin being the primary currency of any society? And in fact that may never happen and isn't even something that needs to happen for Bitcoin to be considered a success by some people's metrics?

If we are working from that assumption then it also follows that in stores and on web sites, goods and services are going to continue to be denominated in the primary currency of the region. So let's say $ for the purposes of discussion.

In which case it is going to be down to the Bitcoin user's software to perform a meaningful conversion between $ price and BTC price. And many of them already do this in exactly the following way.

So, for example, something today on sale in a store in the US for $123.45 might be purchased for BTC0.27310739. Instead of the Bitcoin app just showing:

BTC0.27310739

it would make sense for it to instead say something like:

mBTC273.10739
(About $123.45)

Also in a world with much greater adoption of Bitcoin we would assume that the fiat to bitcoin exchange rate will not be so volatile so people will be used to knowing that "one $ is worth about mBTC300" and not see that swing massively on a daily basis.

The use of mBTC here is just an example and in reality it will settle down to whatever denomination makes the most sense.

That's already how Android Wallet presents sums, and I find that pretty intuitive.

So again, I do not see the presence of more than two decimal places to be a major issue.
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