Bitcointalk Escrows - Trade Safely! - page 33.

Bicknellski

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Quote from: redsn0w on May 17, 2015, 02:10:15 AM

Quote from: Bicknellski on May 17, 2015, 02:06:52 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 17, 2015, 02:02:54 AM

Quote from: Bicknellski on May 17, 2015, 02:00:25 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 17, 2015, 01:58:26 AM

If you don't trust any escrow, just don't use their service.

Hey if you want to add anything how about something of substance.

WE ALL KNOW NEVER RISK ANYMORE THAN YOU ARE WILLING TO LOSE.

The question I have is simple why aren't people asking for MORE information?

Seems simple right?

People trust the escrow they use, so they don't ask more information.

[sarcasm]Well then problem solved. They 'trust' a known supporter of a scam and his name is plastered on list as 'reputable' or 'trustworthy'. [/sarcasm]

You are not really helping make this a safer environment for users who want better more trustworthy escrows.

It is only a problem of trust and I know bitcoin does not teach us to trust third part services.... But it is our decision to trust someone.

Well 3rd party services should be better VETTED especially ones like Quickseller. It doesn't require a lot of thought and or work to set up a more rigorous system that allow for the vetting in Real Life of these escrows. Not a hey he is a good guy I trust sort of list that is just going to end badly for everyone using some of these more anonymous and questionable service providers especially ones like Quickseller.

redsn0w

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#Free market

Quote from: Bicknellski on May 17, 2015, 02:06:52 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 17, 2015, 02:02:54 AM

Quote from: Bicknellski on May 17, 2015, 02:00:25 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 17, 2015, 01:58:26 AM

If you don't trust any escrow, just don't use their service.

Hey if you want to add anything how about something of substance.

WE ALL KNOW NEVER RISK ANYMORE THAN YOU ARE WILLING TO LOSE.

The question I have is simple why aren't people asking for MORE information?

Seems simple right?

People trust the escrow they use, so they don't ask more information.

[sarcasm]Well then problem solved. They 'trust' a known supporter of a scam and his name is plastered on list as 'reputable' or 'trustworthy'. [/sarcasm]

You are not really helping make this a safer environment for users who want better more trustworthy escrows.

It is only a problem of trust and I know bitcoin does not teach us to trust third part services.... But it is our decision to trust someone.

Muhammed Zakir

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Quote from: Bicknellski on May 17, 2015, 02:06:52 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 17, 2015, 02:02:54 AM

Quote from: Bicknellski on May 17, 2015, 02:00:25 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 17, 2015, 01:58:26 AM

If you don't trust any escrow, just don't use their service.

Hey if you want to add anything how about something of substance.

WE ALL KNOW NEVER RISK ANYMORE THAN YOU ARE WILLING TO LOSE.

The question I have is simple why aren't people asking for MORE information?

Seems simple right?

People trust the escrow they use, so they don't ask more information.

[sarcasm]Well then problem solved. They 'trust' a known supporter of a scam and his name is plastered on list as 'reputable' or 'trustworthy'. [/sarcasm]

You are not really helping make this a safer environment for users who want better more trustworthy escrows. Is this not the POINT of this thread? Of is it merely to post all escrow options whether or not some are more circumspect than others?

You are talking about QS or all escrows in this list?

P.S. All people* in this list are so far trustworthy and hasn't shown any shady behavior.

Bicknellski

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 17, 2015, 02:02:54 AM

Quote from: Bicknellski on May 17, 2015, 02:00:25 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 17, 2015, 01:58:26 AM

If you don't trust any escrow, just don't use their service.

Hey if you want to add anything how about something of substance.

WE ALL KNOW NEVER RISK ANYMORE THAN YOU ARE WILLING TO LOSE.

The question I have is simple why aren't people asking for MORE information?

Seems simple right?

People trust the escrow they use, so they don't ask more information.

[sarcasm]Well then problem solved. They 'trust' a known supporter of a scam and his name is plastered on list as 'reputable' or 'trustworthy'. [/sarcasm]

You are not really helping make this a safer environment for users who want better more trustworthy escrows. Is this not the POINT of this thread? Or is it merely to post all escrow options whether or not some are more circumspect than others? And if that is the case who is the OP and why would he not put a fair warning on some of these escrows with regards to their anonymity?

You need another column. Zefir was clear as day about his ID and how he could be reached in the event there were issues. It is lazy to just say people "trust" an escrow. You have to do more than post a table.

Quote from: zefir on April 16, 2013, 04:18:10 AM

Trust
Yeah right: shut up and give me your money!

If unsure whether to trust me, write down 10 Bitcoin members you respect most and check if they can vouch for me.

Communication

I live in Switzerland (TZ: UTC+02) and have a exhausting day-job, which limits me to communicate in my evening hours. So if I did not respond to your email or your post within some hours, it is just because I'm at work. Please be patient.

Cheers,
Zefir

Escrow

I did not offer escrow for a simple reason: as soon as the payments fill up to 782.1 BTC, I'll order another batch. No idea how long the chips will be in stock, but I would like to act fast. BTW, John and Graet escrowed my ASICMINER board seat auction, they can vouch for me.

Reservation, Payments

Some users ask for reservations, since they can't get hold of BTC fast. No need to hurry, you have two weeks time and I'll ensure there will be enough chips for anyone (other than they are out of stock). Also, only BTC payments. The blockhain is the indisputable proof of your payment, let's use it as is and prevent manual accounting.

This is a REPUTABLE escrow... he has a business address. He is KNOWN. What has Quickseller provided informationally? Nothing.

Muhammed Zakir

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Quote from: Bicknellski on May 17, 2015, 02:00:25 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 17, 2015, 01:58:26 AM

If you don't trust any escrow, just don't use their service.

Hey if you want to add anything how about something of substance.

WE ALL KNOW NEVER RISK ANYMORE THAN YOU ARE WILLING TO LOSE.

The question I have is simple why aren't people asking for MORE information?

Seems simple right?

People trust the escrow they use, so they don't ask more information.

Bicknellski

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 17, 2015, 01:58:26 AM

If you don't trust any escrow, just don't use their service.

Hey if you want to add anything, how about something of substance not wasted one liner platitudes.

WE ALL KNOW NEVER RISK ANYMORE THAN YOU ARE WILLING TO LOSE THAT IS BASELINE BITCOINTALK.

The question I have is simple. Why aren't people demanding for MORE information?

Seems simple right?

Why trust an anonymous asshole like Quickseller and put him on a list here on the internet. Especially when that said 'escrow' remains anonymous and pushes negative agenda for known scammer?

Those are the questions not being asked!

You can't put people on a list like this and not do more due diligence especially with someone as controversial as Quickseller.

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If you don't trust any escrow, just don't use their service.

Bicknellski

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Quote from: redsn0w on May 17, 2015, 01:48:44 AM

Quote from: Bicknellski on May 17, 2015, 01:46:52 AM

Which escrows, if any, are known in real life and provided details about their business address?

Would you not want to make sure these people are vetted and are able to be reached in real life?

Seems to me that should be a prime requirement for any escrow.

I think it is a good idea, but a lot if users want to stay anonymous. It is also for a question of security Wink

.

That is a stupid risk. Very stupid. You have no 'absolute' security from any escrow, but especially so for an anonymous escrow.

I used John the Dong in the day and he was KNOWN. These people are not dealing tens of thousands of dollars or hundreds of thousands of dollars. Most 100$ of dollars up to thousands maybe. What security do they employ now? Obviously they have ties to others in these forums and are KNOWN to some so is that not a weakness already? How do we know who they confide in about their identity?

You really shouldn't be accepting Quicksellers word for it or those who "vouch" for him. That is just not a good starting point.

redsn0w

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#Free market

Quote from: Bicknellski on May 17, 2015, 01:46:52 AM

Which escrows, if any, are known in real life and provided details about their business address?

Would you not want to make sure these people are vetted and are able to be reached in real life?

Seems to me that should be a prime requirement for any escrow.

I think it is a good idea, but a lot if users want to stay anonymous. It is also for a question of security Wink

.

Bicknellski

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Which escrows, if any, are known in real life and provided details about their business address?

Would you not want to make sure these people are vetted and are able to be reached in real life?

Seems to me that should be a prime requirement for any escrow.

Based on that AVOID people especially like Quickseller who are steadfast in keeping their identity hidden while supporting known VAT fraudsters like dogie.

Personally I provided escrow for a group of investors and held nearly $80,000 USD and was able to pay for components. Further I was able to get a refund when those components didn't come in and I immediately refunded every last BTC of that investment without fail or question. I am certainly far more trustworthy than Quickseller ever will be based on one escrow that I provided. I am known. My personal details were made available and that was the minimum you have to provide when you are dealing with others assets. Why is he hiding his identity? Why did you continually call for people not provide personal information when holding others assets? I wonder?

Muhammed Zakir

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Add PsychoticBoy.

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	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=54752]PsychoticBoy[/url][/td]
	[td]1%[/td]
	[td]Bitcoin & Alts[/td]
	[td]Available[/td]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=419908.0][ANN][/url][/td]
[/tr][/table]

His announcement thread is in Dutch but it is good to link it here IMHO.

defcon23

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Hi,

I propose an escrow service ;
1% charge + transaction fee.
This is the link to the dedicaced thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11324033

Kind regards,

xFrostee

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Who among escrows is free of charge and knows how to check html files? I need escrow to check html files first if it is working correct before releasing bitcoins. Pls pm me

Bitcoin Explorer

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 21, 2015, 06:32:11 AM

Quote from: Bitcoin Explorer on April 21, 2015, 06:27:25 AM

Noticed tha Mohammed Zaria was added, he is definitely very helpful and legit.
Great thread, I've bookmarked devthedev's thread because of a lineup of deals coming through.

Thanks for the vouch. I am curious to know why you use a different second name for me everytime. Do you have auto-correction enabled? Btw, you can also use my escrow service.

Yes, I do have autocorrect, I'm sorry for the error, I'll edit it right away. And as for the escrow, I'll definitely use you int eh coming future

Muhammed Zakir

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Quote from: Bitcoin Explorer on April 21, 2015, 06:27:25 AM

Noticed tha Mohammed Zaria was added, he is definitely very helpful and legit.
Great thread, I've bookmarked devthedev's thread because of a lineup of deals coming through.

Thanks for the vouch. I am curious to know why you use a different second name for me everytime. Do you have auto-correction enabled? Btw, you can also use my escrow service.

arallmuus

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There is some minor mistake in your OP

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	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=14283]bitpop[/url][/td]
	[td]0.001[btc][/td]
	[td]Bitcoin[/td]
	[td]Available[/td]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=231416.0][ANN][/url][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/quickseller-358020]Quickseller[/url][/td]
	[td]1%(0.0075[btc] min.)[/td]
	[td]Bitcoin & Alts[/td]
	[td]Available[/td]
	[td]https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1022656.0[/td]
[/tr]

Quickseller's profile link lead to the profile of bitpop

correction : Quickseller's UID is 358020 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/quickseller-358020

EDIT : add quickseller's escrow thread as well

Bitcoin Explorer

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Noticed that Muhammed Zakir was added, he is definitely very helpful and legit.
Great thread, I've bookmarked devthedev's thread because of a lineup of deals coming through.

Muhammed Zakir

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Activity: 560

Merit: 506

I prefer Zakir over Muhammed when mentioning me!

Quote from: BTCjust on April 14, 2015, 12:50:11 AM

why are there big 5? what is your criteria?

BIG 5 are most trustworthy, popular and most used.

BTCjust

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why are there big 5? what is your criteria?

Muhammed Zakir

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List Updated. Made minor corrections.

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[size=14pt][b]Bitcointalk Escrows[/b][/size]

It seems as if there is no thread with a clear list of all the active escrows on bitcointalk that is regularly updated with relevant information.

Only members with announcements threads will be listed in their suitable category.

Have a suggestion or update? PM me or post here!

[b]Some tips:[/b]
- The escrows in the follow list are to be used carefully.
- Always do your own research before trusting any escrow.
- The 'BIG 5' will be the most trustworthy, but at all times ensure you are talking to the right person and if possible, verify their PGP signature.


[color=green][b]The Big 5[/b][/color]
[hr]
[table]
[tr]
	[td][b]User						[/b][/td]
	[td][b]Fees					[/b][/td]
	[td][b]Cryptocurrencies				[/b][/td]
	[td][b]PGP Signature				[/b][/td]
	[td][b]Official Thread[/b][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=136592]devthedev[/url][/td]
	[td]0%[/td]
	[td]Bitcoin & Alts[/td]
	[td]Available[/td]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=708658.0][ANN][/url][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=133846]Monbux[/url][/td]
	[td]0%[/td]
	[td]Bitcoin & Alts[/td]
	[td]Available[/td]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631008.0][ANN][/url][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=37522]Tomatocage[/url][/td]
	[td]1%[/td]
	[td]Bitcoin & Alts[/td]
	[td]Available[/td]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581834.0][ANN][/url][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35312]Maidak[/url][/td]
	[td]1%(0.01[btc] min.)[/td]
	[td]Bitcoin & Alts[/td]
	[td]Available[/td]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133985.0][ANN][/url][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18321]OgNasty[/url][/td]
	[td]1%(0.01[btc] min.)[/td]
	[td]Bitcoin[/td]
	[td]Available[/td]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=303281.0][ANN][/url][/td]
[/tr]
[/table]


[b][color=teal]Others[/color][/b]
[hr]
[table]
[tr]
	[td][b]User						[/b][/td]
	[td][b]Fees 					[/b][/td]
	[td][b]Cryptocurrencies				[/b][/td]
	[td][b]PGP Signature				[/b][/td]
	[td][b]Official Thread[/b][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=79720]cooldgamer[/url][/td]
	[td]0%[/td]
	[td]Bitcoin & Alts[/td]
	[td]Available[/td]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=667469.0][ANN][/url][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=89329]master-P[/url][/td]
	[td]0%[/td]
	[td]Bitcoin & Alts[/td]
	[td]Available[/td]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=932294.0][ANN][/url][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=181001]BitCoinDream[/url][/td]
	[td]0%[/td]
	[td]Bitcoin & Alts[/td]
	[td]Available[/td]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=864290.0][ANN][/url][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=320943]Muhammed Zakir[/url][/td]
	[td]0%[/td]
	[td]Bitcoin & Alts[/td]
	[td]Available[/td]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=997414.0][ANN][/url][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=95740]guitarplinker[/url][/td]
	[td]0%[/td]
	[td]Bitcoin(upto 3[btc])[/td]
	[td]Available[/td]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=909401.0][ANN][/url][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=76380]escrow.ms[/url][/td]
	[td]1%[/td]
	[td]Bitcoin & Alts[/td]
	[td]Available[/td]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=235452][ANN][/url][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=51908]Blazr[/url][/td]
	[td]1%[/td]
	[td]Bitcoin[/td]
	[td]Available[/td]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930225.0][ANN][/url][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=66213]Lyth0s[/url][/td]
	[td]1%[/td]
	[td]Bitcoin & Alts[/td]
	[td]None[/td]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=881921.0][ANN][/url][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=14283]bitpop[/url][/td]
	[td]0.001[btc][/td]
	[td]Bitcoin[/td]
	[td]Available[/td]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=231416.0][ANN][/url][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=358020]Quickseller[/url][/td]
	[td]1%(0.0075 [btc] min)[/td]
	[td]Bitcoin & Alts[/td]
	[td]Available[/td]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1022656.0][ANN][/url][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3028]Anon136[/url][/td]
	[td]0.9%(0.01[btc] min.)[/td]
	[td]Bitcoin & Alts[/td]
	[td]None[/td]
	[td]None[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=16614]TwinWinNerD[/url][/td]
	[td]1%(0.01[btc] min.)[/td]
	[td]Bitcoin & Alts[/td]
	[td]Available[/td]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=722047.0][ANN][/url][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=54791]Dabs[/url][/td]
	[td]1%(0.1[btc] min.)[/td]
	[td]Bitcoin & Alts[/td]
	[td]Available[/td]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=234939.0][ANN][/url][/td]
[/tr]


[tr]
	[td][s][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=211419]redsn0w[/url][/td]
	[td][s]0%[/td]
	[td][s]Bitcoin & Alts[/td]
	[td][s]Available[/td]
	[td][s][CLOSED][/s][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
	[td][s][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=60820]DannyHamilton[/url][/s][/td]
	[td][s]0%[/s][/td]
	[td][s]Bitcoin[/s][/td]
	[td][s]Available[/s][/td]
	[td][s][CLOSED][/s][/td]
[/tr]
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Leave a suggestion for an update below.

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	[td][url=http://PROFILE LINK]USER[/url][/td]
	[td]FEE[/td]
	[td]FOR WHAT?[/td]
	[td]PGP?[/td]
	[td][url=http://ANN LINK][ANN][/url][/td]
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Quote from: Quickseller on April 12, 2015, 06:58:46 PM

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	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=358020]Quickseller[/url][/td]
	[td]1% (0.0075 [btc] min)[/td]
	[td]Bitcoin & Alts[/td]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.msg10829408#msg10829408]Available[/url][/td]
	[td][url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1022656.0][ANN][/url][/td]
[/tr][/table]

Added. Btw, I saw a few times you adding double code tags mistakenly. Thought I would let you know.

P.S. I have removed that link to your post in stake thread. If everybody's link is added, yours can be added too or Marco can add it when he updates it.

Quote from: Quickseller on April 12, 2015, 06:58:46 PM

It might be a good idea to post a link to where they have posted their PGP public key so people can quickly find/import it.

Link to PGP key is in ANN post and most people don't post PGP public key here, they only post the link. So I think, as long as link to PGP key is in ANN post, there is no need to add link to a post.

Quote from: coinmaster222 on April 12, 2015, 10:49:10 PM

MUEBank at www.muebank.com is a registered escrow agent and will take on any size.We keep 4 million MUE the banks coin in a cold wallet plus multiple BTC to guarantee our services and we are just about to be verified by Coinsource.All fees are neg by size of escrow.We will escrow Bitcoin Alts in fact really anything.

Unfortunately, this thread is about Bitcointalk escrows, so this site won't be added to OP. Sad

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