Topic: Bitcointalk is not doing well in Alexa rank because of the Merit system - page 2. (Read 648 times)

I guess Bitcointalk does not care about these ranking sites whatsoever, We are not competing with anyone this is the home of satoshi Nakamoto and that is enough it is the best bitcoin and altcoin forum. The merit system really helps on eliminating bots users that are only after with bounties and abusing it. True and Interested users will stay here in the forum and those who are not willing to learn and just after for free money I guess they are long gone.

It's my call lol, that's unkind of you man How do you mean statistician? I think I prefer it instead.

Yes, you will be seeing it a lot especially if someone is talking about merit, and it will be a neverending argument and drama in this forum. I think you just need to be passionate about what you want in this forum.

Choose at least 1 or two on how you can contribute, it maybe scam busting, or maybe you want to focus on a technical side (which I prefer), or be a good forum statistician. It's your call. Just be passionate man!

Sure they is nothing to be hateful about on my stand. Nobody is taking it personal neither did I write those lengthy words because of merits. I wouldn't have made this post if I am looking for merit from people, I should have praised the forum instead. But I'm pointing out some few things that we need to look into for our own benefits.

I have been seeing a lot of this phrase lately. 

Thought you were rude

Most of them are unappreciated because they do not actually care nor absorb the replies of the members here. They just ask and leave their thread as if nothing happened.

You're right that it takes a lot of time to learn stuff that is new to our ears, but that doesn't mean that you should be in a hurry in making such lengthy post in which you expect to get a lot of merit, it just doesn't work that way. I don't want to lecture you nor make some hateful post about your stand. Just wanna say that be observant and learn your stuff in a natural way

Try not to focus on getting merits but rather on the knowledge you can get. All you have to do is to read and ask. Most of the answers you will get from this thread will not make any difference.

Hey I am talking to you calmly okay!

You don't expect a newbie to do a great job in this forum if they are not handled in a better way than just asking if they can't make topics or write posts? they can do all that out of choice. They own their gadgets and do what they wish. The earlier they are appreciated the better. People have different IQ and will need enough time to understand things like blockchain and bitcoin. Don't compare how easy it was for you to others.



It is the fault because the merit system is adored more than bitcoin in this forum that any new member that visits here must get to see or know about the merits. It encourage some and discourage some in other ways like can I do what it takes?

I don't see how any newbie member can't learn or share information. What's stopping  newbie members to be productive? They can't make topics, they can't  write posts? Or you think that someone would miraculously be better member if he is able to rank up easier?


Nonsense. There is an abundance of merit ready to be shared to newbies. Just check The future of Bitcointalk: Low Ranking Top Merit earners in the past 30 days and you will see how many low level members can earn bunch of merit in a month, and you will be surprised. If anything, there is lack of quality new members. Naturally, some will rank up faster than others, but everyone that is genuine, patient and came here to learn&share  will rank up in reasonable time frame.


And how is that fault of merit system, that people don't take time to properly learn all forum features, boards, rules and regulations?

Well, they can freely create an account right now too and freely contribute or ask questions. People are already doing that regardless of rank. Again, rank doesn't matter.

People can use Tor/VPNs/Proxies, and some people's IP addresses are dynamic.

I know they can read as much as they want but can't contribute or ask questions on the topic of their choice, sorry I wasn't referring to those kind of people that don't have an account with us.

Don't you think that they is a way to track an already banned user that created another account just to come and spam again?

I think today is my first time of seeing a site that doesn't care about their Alexa ranking. Hmm, like you said "quality discussion" without enough readers isn't it a waste of information? How about the people that will be searching for this forum and what they will see is other crypto blogs that pop out on search engine. you can't be sure of that. Because you didn't leave this forum from the start doesn't mean you should show less care about the users that left the forum. I'm not worried about the merits, I'm worried about the people that left the community because they got no merit after all the time they spent on the forum.

You can't predict the exact reason why some people leave the forum. Most of them are not here to spam. I know how difficult it is to get to the top in this forum. That is one of the reasons people leave here, and most of them don't surf here enough to know that they is a sub-forum for their respective countries and continent that can welcome them and make them feel at home.

We need proper guide that's all

So the moderators ban them, and then what? They're free to create new accounts that they can again grow just through making 1 post daily to earn activity points. This is why the merit system works, because even if they create a million accounts, it wouldn't matter if they aren't capable of earning merits

You do realize that people can freely come here and learn from the existing posts all they want, like right now, right? Heck they don't even need an account.

The best solution to this problem is to increase the number of bot moderators that will be available to check illicit moves on the forum and ban the accounts. Falling behind in ranks, from the age of the forum we may end up being the only users in this forum. Or does it mean you don't want more people to come and learn from the millions of posts in the forum?

Very long post, can't quote one by one since I am on mobile phone. First thing is this forum isn't anything related to financial investments or something similar that investors will check Alexa rank before invest. This forum has created for discussion regarding bitcoin and related stuff. So either merits system is exist or removed you will able to make discussion. No one will prevent you from it. So why you are worried about merits?

Whoever left this forum for merit system they were just a spammer. They never contributed themselves for forum. So who care even they left or stay? If you are a good contributor and good poster on this forum you don't need to worry about merits.

So for forum, traffic or Alexa rank isn't much important. The most important part for this forum is healthy discussion.

I think it's not bad to consider having a better rank with Alexa because it can boost the economy of the marketplace here. It's not worth depending on your entire site but if you can achieve better, why not? But the verdict is that it's not the end of the forum if you don't get a high ranking there. It's also not the measure of success. It's not that important but okay to get a good rank.

Depending on the amount of post is just spam altogether. I would choose quality over quantity anytime.

Do you know how pogosticking can affect a site rank. I don't think with the nature of this forum today will stop the bots from coming and also account farming is still on the rise. Which is one of the reasons the merit system is not favorable to the newbies in this forum. Come to think of it, one person having more than 10 accounts. Once the merit source to those accounts gets Smerits the merit goes to their personal accounts first before giving it out to other users as well the merit might have finished.

? ? ? You're pretty much asking like "how can I get promoted in my job if I don't perform well?". Merits are for quality posts in the first place. That doesn't make sense in the slightest.

A LOT harder. They'd need to have the 150 sMerit to start with, to be able to abuse it.

So you're point is? Again, rank is irrelevant in this case. Good post? It gets some attention. Bad post? It doesn't get much attention. REGARDLESS OF RANK.

But the forum isn't difficult to comprehend though? It might be if ranking up is your main focus, which shouldn't be the main focus in the first place. Bitcointalk is a forum. A place where like-minded people talk about Bitcoin. Not a place to primarily make money.

It's already proven to be a good idea though. LOL. If you think there are better solutions, go ahead. Name them.

This forum doesn't need a good Alexa rank, neither spammers paratising it.

This forum is a place for bitcoin discussions, project development to bitcoin related stuff, service promotion and community support.

This way it is useful for bitcoin, which is the reason for thi forum to exist.

Correlation doesn't equal causation. The reason the Alexa rank was so high in early 2018 was due to the preceding bull run. Everything was in the green. You could buy any useless scam token and still make a profit from it. The forum was overrun with bounty hunters, spammers, and scammers. There were new altcoins being launched every hour, and new bounty campaigns to go along with them. Thousands of accounts were created just to spam utter trash for the signature rewards. The death of 99.9% of these altcoins are what reduced the traffic to the forum, not the merit system.

Most threads from newbies aren't given much attention because they are either outright spam, have been discussed 100 times before, or they've just copy and pasted from other places (or even worse, tried to hide the fact they are copying and pasting by "summarizing" content they don't understand and introducing multiple errors).

Good. The vast majority of signature campaigns just encourage spammers.

This is completely the wrong attitude, and it's why most threads from newbies don't get any attention, as discussed above. New threads should be opened when you have something interesting the community will want to talk about. Not because you want to earn merit, or write an article, or attract attention to yourself, or gain motivation, etc. Too many newbies open too many useless new threads.

Your problem is that you view the forum's primary function as enabling people to earn via their signatures, and the merit system as a hurdle en route to that goal. You're wrong. The primary function of the forum is to encourage meaningful discussion, and the merit system supports that goal.

You are getting wrong here. From what is said I mean how will a post that is not quality enough get a merit. Like you said "they can post as long as they're not spamming" some users are not like that, if they see they can't contribute they remain dormant. And for account farming how difficult does it look for a user with 150 Smerit to farm accounts on this forum?

My point here is; Instead of ignoring the message I think some corrections can be made on that same thread for the OP to learn how to put more energy next time. At least knowing that people read their article can motivate them to write next time.

I know their rank won't stop them from investing. But then a few among the newbies are here to invest or watch how the forum works before they can unleash their purpose here. If care is not taken on them they are likely to leave if the forum is difficult to comprehend.

I didn't in any way think that way. What i am saying is that they are a lot of arguments in this forum.

They should be a better way than tightening the forum, I don't think not looking at the forum rank is a good idea. We have to look into it from a better angle.

The forum has so much interesting and competent information, which was not a few years ago. Beginners are open to all sections for their own understanding of any direction. As they say, there would be a desire. For merit, you need competent and useful posts. Yes, maybe for some it is at first difficult. But do not equate the forum to the competition for merit. Why forum information that does not bring any benefit? Or a bunch of plagiarism? Unique content is important. And the forum can be proud of this content.