Topic: Bitcointalk is not doing well in Alexa rank because of the Merit system - page 3. (Read 663 times)

No, I think people still want to trade with a newbie... especially if he accept using an escrow. Usually newbie didn't want to accepting escrow and didn't have have any reputation on his account, it's why people didn't want to trade with a newbie.


This is only suggestion and has not been implemented yet on this forum, so this is incorrect reason if you think people will scared after read this thread.


Are you sure about this? I think you should check service section once again. What about Chipmixer? Chipmixer was launch their campaign from 2017 and till now their haven't change the pay rate and the slots. According to last payment from Chipmixer is 4.07782635 BTC, do you think Chipmixer will keep paying around 4 BTC for signature campaign, If signature campaign in this forum is not have traffic and not profiting for them?


Please, never say Merit system is make difficult to newbies, mostly people joining this forum to get money only. What do you think if the newbies don't care about the rank and his purpose is want to discuss about bitcoin only? I believe they will never said merit system is make difficult for them. The purpose of merit system is to force members to create high quality post, reducing spam, and also reducing people want to get easy profit from here without learning bitcoin or forum.


Do we should judge this sites based on Alexa rank? Satoshi is creator of bitcoin and this forum, so you should judge from bitcoin aspect too. Bitcoin is the king of cryptocurrency (always on top 1 even when bitcoin in major dump/downtrend), the most valuable and worthies from all cryptocurrency. Bitcoin survive for 10 years and still counting. Bitcointalk.org always on top 1 forum from other best cryptocurrency forum [1] [2]

Not all users were deranked back to Newbie. Only meritless Jr. Members, since all the ranks above had merits (earned or airdropped).

There’s been a global pandemic in between. We should give that a fair share of the reason behind. Alexa does not measure traffic with consolidated certainty, but rather uses extrapolated data from a subset of users. In a pandemic such as this, the models can easily go adrift.
Note the recurrence of the term "estimate" in the above quote (https://blog.alexa.com/improving-your-alexa-rank/).

Not many newcomers will visit Meta, and that thread is really a one-off (i.e. not a recurring idea).

Merits do not expire for anyone. Some Merit Source Merits may go unspent, but you can’t expect them to always spend them all (it’s a pretty selfless task, and time consuming). Sometimes, they need to resort to sprees of a kind to ease their burden …

I don't think the overriding purpose of the forum is to achieve a high Alexa rank.

No, I'd expect the rank would not elicit any emotional response, because it is utterly irrelevant.

Alright here we go again.

What are you talking about? They can freely post just like anyone as long as they're not spamming. The merit system just makes it difficult for people to go here solely for bounty campaigns, and definitely to make it hard for them to account farm.

So a badly made topic didn't gain attention. What's your point? Rank is irrelevant in this case.

Tell you what. A lot of the newbies aren't here to "invest". If they're only here for investing knowledge, they wouldn't even need to take note of their ranks. It's not like their rank is stopping them from investing, right?

So you think spam and account farms are "fun"?

LOL. You think Satoshi would be happy for Bitcointalk being a spam forum?

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Ultimately, Bitcointalk surely did sacrifice some of it's traffic and activity, in exchange for better and more constructive conversations, which is a huge win in my book. Though, we don't even know to what extent of those traffic drop was actually from the merit system. You also need to take note of the actual decrease of interest in Bitcoin since the bull run of 2017.

If you like spam forums, go to the "the-forum-that-should-not-be-named" forum that once had a big signature campaign here.

P.S. I haven't seen a reasonable excuse for removing the merit system, ever since it was implemented. The complaints are really mostly from people who can't rank up themselves so they resort to complaining instead. Tell you what, if you're having a hard time ranking up, maybe do more studying.

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EDIT: oh. no wonder you didn't know about the horrors of not having the merit system.

Have you considered the Alexa Rank before 2017.
IMO 2017 and 2018 were years when there was so much spam and SCAM ICO bounties that attracted lots of spambots to make bounty reports here. This made it look like the forum was registering so many forum users and yet it was just bots and account farms.

What use is it to have thousands of daily visitors that are just bots amidst a forum filled up with spam? 

I took a look at this forum's rank on Alexa, it is not good enough; provided that Content is king which is a big tenet in this forum, and why merits were integrated for users who post quality content no doubt articles from this forum rank very fast on google but the number of visitors to this forum has reduced and it affected the ranking of this website.

In 2018 according to Wikipedia, this forum ranked 900 on Alexa Globally.

Later in 2018, it was announced that users without any merit will be demoted to Newbie regardless of their ranks. During this period, so many users left this forum and most accounts were sold out for a couple of dollars. People were desperately in need of bitcointalk accounts with merits so they won't be a Newbie and also for their several businesses in the service thread. (You won't trade with a newbie)

Now in 2020, the forum ranked number 11,525 in February and at 22,845 this month this shows that our forum is doing well in good content but performs very bad in traffic, some threads scare new visitors away, just like this one https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/suggestion-to-make-rank-up-more-difficult-5220580

what is the actual aim of making the merit system very hard for users? This will scare some away and those who are not good at writing, it means they don't belong here?

An internet forum where people come to learn and share information on bitcoin is not just a personal forum for some users that have a good rank to suggest how difficult the forum will be. Also, it is clear that most threads from the newbies are not given much attention because of how they structured their article.

If you noticed well, you will see that the signature campaigns are getting closed because companies don't get exactly the kind of traffic they used to see.

The forum is now difficult not only for newbies but for investors who came as newbies and left because they couldn't understand the forum better. I like this section "beginners and guide" but I didn't discover it as a newbie.

I will say that this forum is easy if you have worked hard on it and it's part of you, But very difficult for freshers because of how old members treat them with merit.

What is the reason behind holding a Smerit without giving it out? Most of them will waste or expire. If we put more energy on how we make good articles and also make it easier to harbor visitors that turned to members. This forum will rank as before and we will get enough people that will make use of our signatures for adverts.

I know our moderators are working hard to reduce spam and scam here. But I will encourage users to make here fun, we are in a war forum of smart Alecks that counter every single thread that is published. How do you expect better learning if they are no fun going on here?

looking at the rank of this site do you think Satoshi will be happy? We can build a forum as famous as bitcoin.

link to Alexa rank on bitcointalk.org

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitcointalk.org
rank for 2018 below
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcointalk#cite_note-alexa-1