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Quote from: NotATether on March 11, 2024, 03:59:02 AM

I'm nit-picking here but wouldn't that mean you're almost always in danger and not in almost no danger?

Absolutely right, there are certain risks because of this. For example, there are quite a few semi-documentary programs of journalists on youtube about leaks of personal data and how ordinary citizens suffer from this. For many years, for example, there was a very urgent problem when a person was issued a loan from a bank or a microfinance organization, and a person might not know this.

The most interesting thing is that in order to combat this problem, they did not deal with data leaks. It's just that over time, most of the organizations that issue loans stopped doing this without any explicit consent from the client himself.
And from March 1, 2025, according to the law, anyone will be able to come to any bank and write a statement stating that it is prohibited to apply for a loan. Well, so that no one else gets a loan without his consent somehow

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I continue to believe that sites hosted on BRICS servers are more safe and provide more freedom.

Fair enough, but what makes you believe that? Are all those very liberal countries known for their freedom of speech (especially Russia and China lol) or some other reason that makes you believe that?

Because the BRICS nations have better data protection laws than the US, most private websites are hosted outside of US jurisdictions, at least in my experience.

That's very funny. Laws are words written on paper, what matters the most, is, how they are enforced. Germany has one of the best employment law but do you really believe that workers' rights are so protected? Just visit warehouses in Germany or ask any amazon delivery guy, they are all exploited. Many companies in Germany, even the most famous ones, do many shady things to save money on workforce. Don't expect that BRICS laws will be enforced as they are written. In Russia, piracy of games, movies, softwares and so on in absolutely legal. Professional studios run pirate movie websites.

Don't get fooled and don't trust BRICS data protection laws. What's written is absolutely different from what's enforced.

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Quote from: xandry on March 10, 2024, 02:50:14 PM

Quote from: Igebotz on December 19, 2023, 11:21:10 AM

Because the BRICS nations have better data protection laws than the US, most private websites are hosted outside of US jurisdictions, at least in my experience.

What countries do you mean? Because in Russia you are in almost no danger for leaking data. For example:
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I'm nit-picking here but wouldn't that mean you're almost always in danger and not in almost no danger?

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Quote from: xandry on March 10, 2024, 02:50:14 PM

What countries do you mean? Because in Russia you are in almost no danger for leaking data. For example:

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On April 21, the food delivery service was fined 60 thousand rubles. for the leakage of personal data of 58 thousand users. Names, phone numbers, addresses, intercom codes and the amount of customer spending over the past six months have been made publicly available. Among them were members of the special services.

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5492583

For reference: 60 000 rubles at that time was approximately equivalent to $1000.

In Russia, on the contrary, there are big problems with this. Almost any person's data is already on the darknet

With politics in Russia, I really don't believe that their government and related agencies have respect to handle their citizen personal data carefully and secretly. They can get such data any time, leak it any time or destroy it too. I even don't need your example to know that things for privacy are bad in Russia.

Citizens are not bad but the government is bad and they cause a lot of big problem for their citizens.

Quote from: Igebotz on December 19, 2023, 11:21:10 AM

Because the BRICS nations have better data protection laws than the US, most private websites are hosted outside of US jurisdictions, at least in my experience.

Do you have any information source and link to share, to prove that it is true?

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Quote from: Igebotz on December 19, 2023, 11:21:10 AM

Because the BRICS nations have better data protection laws than the US, most private websites are hosted outside of US jurisdictions, at least in my experience.

What countries do you mean? Because in Russia you are in almost no danger for leaking data. For example:

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On April 21, the food delivery service was fined 60 thousand rubles. for the leakage of personal data of 58 thousand users. Names, phone numbers, addresses, intercom codes and the amount of customer spending over the past six months have been made publicly available. Among them were members of the special services.

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5492583

For reference: 60 000 rubles at that time was approximately equivalent to $1000.

In Russia, on the contrary, there are big problems with this. Almost any person's data is already on the darknet

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1- strength is not in centralisation, the more bitcointalks the better
2- the more exchanges the better
3- A lot of new forums have came and went, who knows maybe altt will disappear one day, maybe not ... maybe it will grow ... who knows!
4- Links to btt were blocked because some users just spammed their link to the original btt campaign back in 2017-2018, it is no longer the case :
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=312821.0
5- Admin on altt does not have a paid for signature, nor operate any account that have a paid signature.
6- Btt is part of history, nothing can change that, but the defiance have long been lost, it has been replaced with yachts and mansions and compliance.
7- The soldier does not know the importance or not of his sacrifice, but the general surely does. Bitcoin need altcoins as altcoins need bitcoin.

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Oh c'mon look here, almost everyone is wearing signatures in this thread, and every single one's response is worth to read. People are earning money, forum is getting traffic, projects are getting visibility — when everyone is getting what they want why should one shoot in the foot by banning signatures?

Congrats to altcointalk, but Bitcointalk will remain on throne as in Bitcoin and altcoins.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on December 30, 2023, 06:19:41 AM

I have heard of this teleporting of a thing and I must say that it is a serious concern as to how this is possible and for what reason. Is it for the M!xer's money?

Teleporting thing was announced long before in 2020, it was posted here as well. Seems to be manual process, and no sensitive info is shared.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on December 30, 2023, 05:35:21 AM

I can only imagine some users running on campaign on this forum and another on another forum. I can only make time for one so hats off to those people and I appreciate the hard work on their side. Grin

Its a personal decision whether to move to a different site just because they are allowing signatures and we should let people have that liberty to take such decisions.

It is an individual opinion, In as much as the member is active here and continues his/her quality contributions to the forum, I see no wrong in being a member here and also joining the Altcointalk forum, it bases on the individual's availability of time and effort to contribute in both platforms. If they can do it, fine, but I think it will take some members teleporting to the platform time to adapt to the Altcointalk platform because it may lack some features available here on the platform that makes posting easy.

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Quote from: Igebotz on December 28, 2023, 01:00:52 PM

Quote from: Bounty Bro on December 24, 2023, 11:08:28 AM

Ads everywhere. Altcointalk looks like Las Vegas.

It's work in progress, alot of reshuffling is currently going on and sooner or later BTT will have a serious competition

I believe it is and this could be the breakthrough I wonder if this is still enforced and if many are aware of this especially those who are teleported checking Altcoin talk they already have a large banner advertising on their homepage

I have heard of this teleporting of a thing and I must say that it is a serious concern as to how this is possible and for what reason. Is it for the M!xer's money?

Regardless, the forum that will be like BTCt must do a whole lot, and if it eventually happens, then good luck, after all, a signature campaign for example has the BTCt as its pioneer and any competition is always welcome. But one sure thing is that it is these people here who can give the altcoin forum that needs relevance, but with time, one will still realize that this place is better.

No matter what, many people would want to remain here and some people will have their double standard on the two forums as well. This means that the population of BTCt will remain and keep growing while some few people will only deviate to the other. Let's wait and see till the end of next year.

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Quote from: MusaMohamed on December 30, 2023, 04:19:36 AM

theymos even can do more, ban all signatures and signature campaigns if he sees post quality is very low because of signature campaigns.

Post quality had gone low much earlier and the Merit system was brought in for that. It has improved post quality after enforcement but it has its own nuances. Banning signature campaigns is something theymos will not do - because the point has been brought up many times and admin knows that the maximum source of traffic on this forum is from campaigns.

I can only imagine some users running on campaign on this forum and another on another forum. I can only make time for one so hats off to those people and I appreciate the hard work on their side. Grin

Its a personal decision whether to move to a different site just because they are allowing signatures and we should let people have that liberty to take such decisions.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on December 29, 2023, 07:35:15 AM

Above all it is not right to question BTT only because a certain signature campaign is getting banned next year by OP. Atleast Theymos preferred the existence of forum first than a signature campaign.

It is only ban on mixer signature campaigns and mixer announcement threads on the forum.

Signature campaigns from non mixer companies will be allowed.

theymos even can do more, ban all signatures and signature campaigns if he sees post quality is very low because of signature campaigns.

Quote from: theymos on December 17, 2017, 07:54:08 PM

What are everyone's ideas for improving post quality?

I have mostly ruled out:

- Removing signatures or sig ads globally.

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I went ahead and created my account on that platform in 2021. There are a few users from this forum who are legends here and on that forum. That doesn't mean that forum was buzzing with activities.

BTT is better than the other forum being discussed in this thread. There are certain regulations and a few user based investigation that make the forum more suitable to generate quality content.

Above all it is not right to question BTT only because a certain signature campaign is getting banned next year by OP. Atleast Theymos preferred the existence of forum first than a signature campaign.

For some of us it might be stooping to the US, while it is for me is nothing but a phase that will pass on in the future. As it is not possible for the government to stop what is meant to happen in the future.

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Quote from: PrivacyG on December 28, 2023, 09:17:03 PM

I can imagine most Bitcoin Talk users will only create an account there for the Signature Campaigns which barely pay any thing anyway. There is a lot more activity but not much at all compared to how active Bitcoin Talk is, which means you either earn little to nothing or you spam Altcoin Talk to reach maximum post quota.

Rome wasn't built in a day; The forum got less spammy after the introduction of the merit system, while activity on BTT skyrocketed after the introduction of the signature campaign. Prior to these two developments, life was a living horror here . ATL forum might experience this same or not

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Even if Altcoin Talk is hosted outside of The United States, I think their domain can get banned in the United States and even Europe. If this ever happens it means there is a clear crack down on Mixers. At least we can now see some body else risking it so we can see if there will be any consequence in the end at all.

The BTT domain has been banned in Russia and other parts of the world for quite some time, but we still have them here via VPN. U.S citizens could do the same.

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@op, it's important you know that altcoinstalks have been in existence as far as 2018 of earlier, the only thing was and still is that, they do not drive the kind of traffic bitcointalk drives, the altcointalk forum have been pretty active, just that it can't be compared to bitcointalk, there have been times some managers tried running signature campaign over there, but later left due to lack of enough activity.

It is true to say that, signature campaign is among the force that has been keeping this forum pretty active, but understand that, if for whatever reason, signature campaign is totally scrapped from this forum, true that many will become inactive here and active where the signature campaigns have moved to, but then, rest assured that this forum can never abandoned, those who will continue to be active here will still be active even in the absences of signature ad campaign.

And for the record, I do not know about others, but I myself am here to learn, and as well teach, and nothing is wrong earning a few dollars while learning, in your office where you work, you learn a new thing everything, and you still get paid salary at the end of the month, it's same thing here.

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Quote from: BTC_pokaop on December 19, 2023, 01:19:40 AM

Now if this BitcoinTalk forum is not allowed to conduct any kind of signature campaign, will everyone be active in this forum as it is now? No one posts here without profit, everyone has a signature code on their account, there are only a handful of people left.

Its only Mixer campaigns which are getting banned, its a decision which has been made,
its not a requirement "yet", its like a preemptive decision in order to preserve the forum as
an entity. Here is the first paragraph from the announcement.

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Bitcointalk.org aims to allow about as much freedom as is reasonably possible. But this is not a darknet forum, and with mixers looking "grayer and grayer", it's no longer reasonably possible to allow linking to mixers. Even though "a cryptocurrency mixing service is not necessarily illegal," a clear pattern has emerged where mixers pop up, last for a little while, and then get taken down by law enforcement once they get too big. Allowing mixers to be posted on bitcointalk.org before they seemingly-inevitably get declared illegal and seized is not sustainable. Therefore, promoting mixers will no longer be allowed, similarly to how darknet sites are already disallowed.

As regards the altcointalk forum and people switching their activity to that maybe
these scenarios will happen:

a.) Only a minority will move their activity and there wont be a "brain drain" to affect BCT
because most of the top quality posters will remain here.

b.) Because of point a. above those who initially move to ACT will eventually migrate back
to BCT because this is where the vast majority of active members and general chat will remain.

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2024 will be an interesting year nonetheless. I wonder how things will change for Bitcoin Talk and particularly Altcoin Talk. They are getting a lot more activity now but I wonder if authorities will do anything about either of them.

I can imagine most Bitcoin Talk users will only create an account there for the Signature Campaigns which barely pay any thing anyway. There is a lot more activity but not much at all compared to how active Bitcoin Talk is, which means you either earn little to nothing or you spam Altcoin Talk to reach maximum post quota.

Even if Altcoin Talk is hosted outside of The United States, I think their domain can get banned in the United States and even Europe. If this ever happens it means there is a clear crack down on Mixers. At least we can now see some body else risking it so we can see if there will be any consequence in the end at all.

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Quote from: Igebotz on December 28, 2023, 01:00:52 PM

Quote from: Bounty Bro on December 24, 2023, 11:08:28 AM

Ads everywhere. Altcointalk looks like Las Vegas.

It's work in progress, alot of reshuffling is currently going on and sooner or later BTT will have a serious competition

I believe it is and this could be the breakthrough I wonder if this is still enforced and if many are aware of this especially those who are teleported checking Altcoin talk they already have a large banner advertising on their homepage

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on December 28, 2023, 12:35:03 PM

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Secondly altcointalk is hosted outside the U.S jurisdiction, it's one of the safest forum out there. Something theymos should have done a long time ago.

I don't know why theymos can't change the hosting location. It's not a very hard job at all.

I'm not sure why the Satoshi old forum moved to the US server, and with all the shady limitations and legislation in the US, theymos never considered shifting the server location to somewhere much safer. I admire the admin of the ATL forum and his dedication to data security.

Quote from: Bounty Bro on December 24, 2023, 11:08:28 AM

Ads everywhere. Altcointalk looks like Las Vegas.

It's work in progress, alot of reshuffling is currently going on and sooner or later BTT will have a serious competition

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Quote from: Igebotz on December 19, 2023, 05:14:11 AM

Secondly altcointalk is hosted outside the U.S jurisdiction, it's one of the safest forum out there. Something theymos should have done a long time ago.

I don't know why theymos can't change the hosting location. It's not a very hard job at all.

Quote from: Bounty Bro on December 24, 2023, 11:08:28 AM

Ads everywhere. Altcointalk looks like Las Vegas.

It must be a heaven for the gamblers.

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Quote from: Beparanf on December 24, 2023, 11:39:27 AM

Quote from: Bounty Bro on December 24, 2023, 11:08:28 AM

Altcointalk is completely messed up site.
Horrible structure,
Many sections and arrangement of sections don't make sense,
To many sections,
Sections about each shit coin,
Needless explanation texts as default setting,
Ads everywhere. Altcointalk looks like Las Vegas.

Probably because you have different preference. It’s a forum dedicated for altcoins so it’s obvious that they will have many sections since altcoins has a vast scope compared to Bitcoin.

I agree that Altcointalk forum is kinda messy when you compared it to Bitcointalk because this forum is made plain and simple but there’s always a room for improvement to correct the flaws especially now that there’s some user that teleported in there. I don’t see it as a competitor but rather just a different forum dedicated for altcoin since altcoin discussion here is too generalized due to lack of section and category while there’s tons of altcoins.

Altcointalk discussion activity is very low and most activitiy is probably originating from new signature campaigns now. Maybe new activity will reviwe Altcointalk.
Where I agree to you: internet has many forums for different topics and Altcoin discussion might be attractive opposed to Bitcoin discussion.

Quote from: Beparanf on December 24, 2023, 11:39:27 AM

since altcoin discussion here is too generalized due to lack of section and category while there’s tons of altcoins.

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