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Vishnu.Reang
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Re: Bitcointalk PSL T20 Pool and discussion.
May 07, 2020, 11:10:20 AM
#357
Quote from: JSRAW on May 07, 2020, 10:50:53 AM
Bit harsh but kick every team if they are using mercenary/expats Tongue. If they become citizen of that particular country then i don't have any problem with this move.

I would support this move. But the ICC may not be comfortable with it, because it can have a huge negative impact on two of their crucial markets - USA and UAE. The ICC consider the US as one of the potential markets. And UAE is very important because of the support the Emirates board gives to the ICC. If the ICC makes it mandatory to have citizens, then the US may be able to field a playing XI, albeit below strength. But I am not sure whether the UAE can manage a playing XI or not. In recorded history, Kuwait is the only GCC nation which has ever fielded a team entirely comprised of citizens (during 2014 Asian Games, the team was captained by 58-year old Mahmoud Bastaki).

And one argument the Emirates Cricket board puts forward is that it is easier for South Africans and some of the other expats to get the citizenship of European nations. For example, former South African player Roelof van der Merwe managed to get a Dutch passport (because his grand-father was born in Netherlands). He now represents Netherlands. The same is not possible with UAE and the other GCC nations, because they don't give citizenship for immigrants.
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Re: Bitcointalk PSL T20 Pool and discussion.
May 07, 2020, 10:50:53 AM
#356
Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 07, 2020, 10:30:56 AM
~snip~

Apart from the test playing nations, I don't think cricket is in good shape anywhere else. You can check national teams of UAE, Singapore, Hong Kong.etc. These teams don't have a single citizen playing for them, and the playing XI is entirely composed of Indian and Pakistani players. Actually this is also one of the factors that hinder the popularity of cricket in these countries. How can you attract the Arabs and the Singaporeans, when their cricket team doesn't have any local player? At least FIFA has made it mandatory for the players to have citizenship of the country which they are representing.

Bit harsh but kick every team if they are using mercenary/expats Tongue. If they become citizen of that particular country then i don't have any problem with this move.
Vishnu.Reang
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Re: Bitcointalk PSL T20 Pool and discussion.
May 07, 2020, 10:30:56 AM
#355
Quote from: JohnBitCo on May 06, 2020, 12:00:05 PM
No one can compare ICC with FIFA because FIFA has 211 national associations while ICC only have to manage 12 countries which are full members (This includes India, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, , Zimbabwe, England, Ireland ,West Indies, , Afghanistan, , Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh.) Rest 105 counties also are the member of International Cricket Council (ICC) but as we all know they never play any serious cricket.

Apart from the test playing nations, I don't think cricket is in good shape anywhere else. You can check national teams of UAE, Singapore, Hong Kong.etc. These teams don't have a single citizen playing for them, and the playing XI is entirely composed of Indian and Pakistani players. Actually this is also one of the factors that hinder the popularity of cricket in these countries. How can you attract the Arabs and the Singaporeans, when their cricket team doesn't have any local player? At least FIFA has made it mandatory for the players to have citizenship of the country which they are representing.
JohnBitCo
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Re: Bitcointalk PSL T20 Pool and discussion.
May 07, 2020, 08:32:07 AM
#354
Quote from: BitSat19 on May 06, 2020, 12:31:10 PM
Quote from: JohnBitCo on May 06, 2020, 12:00:05 PM
Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 05, 2020, 08:44:12 AM
Quote from: UmerIdrees on May 05, 2020, 08:22:36 AM
Same is the issue with Pakistan cricket board. I think all the cricket boards are influenced by the governments in some way. When new government came in Pakistan, the Prime Minister of Pakistan Imran Khan appointed  Ehsan Mani as a  PCB Chairman. So this means that there is a political interference in cricket board and we cannot deny it.

Apart from the ECB and the CA (may be the NZC as well), all the other cricket boards have an accountability issue. The ICC has suspended Zimbabwe recently for political interference. But I don't think that they will have the courage to suspend any of the richer boards, if the same happens to them. Even the ICC is miles behind, when we compare it with other sports bodies such as the FIFA and the FIBA.

No one can compare ICC with FIFA because FIFA has 211 national associations while ICC only have to manage 12 countries which are full members (This includes India, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, , Zimbabwe, England, Ireland ,West Indies, , Afghanistan, , Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh.) Rest 105 counties also are the member of International Cricket Council (ICC) but as we all know they never play any serious cricket.
But One thing is sure if we will able to bring new rules with some fast results then surely list of cricket loving countries going to increase very quickly and its mean more revenue and more crowd in stadiums lets see what happen in this new experiment as I am very hopeful for success of this.

Yes but for all these things to start and resume, the coronavirus vaccine is to be developed. I see no progress in this regard. There is another developing story that Coronavirus researcher killed in Pennsylvania murder-suicide which is a big set back.
BitSat19
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Re: Bitcointalk PSL T20 Pool and discussion.
May 06, 2020, 12:31:10 PM
#353
Quote from: JohnBitCo on May 06, 2020, 12:00:05 PM
Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 05, 2020, 08:44:12 AM
Quote from: UmerIdrees on May 05, 2020, 08:22:36 AM
Same is the issue with Pakistan cricket board. I think all the cricket boards are influenced by the governments in some way. When new government came in Pakistan, the Prime Minister of Pakistan Imran Khan appointed  Ehsan Mani as a  PCB Chairman. So this means that there is a political interference in cricket board and we cannot deny it.

Apart from the ECB and the CA (may be the NZC as well), all the other cricket boards have an accountability issue. The ICC has suspended Zimbabwe recently for political interference. But I don't think that they will have the courage to suspend any of the richer boards, if the same happens to them. Even the ICC is miles behind, when we compare it with other sports bodies such as the FIFA and the FIBA.

No one can compare ICC with FIFA because FIFA has 211 national associations while ICC only have to manage 12 countries which are full members (This includes India, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, , Zimbabwe, England, Ireland ,West Indies, , Afghanistan, , Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh.) Rest 105 counties also are the member of International Cricket Council (ICC) but as we all know they never play any serious cricket.
But One thing is sure if we will able to bring new rules with some fast results then surely list of cricket loving countries going to increase very quickly and its mean more revenue and more crowd in stadiums lets see what happen in this new experiment as I am very hopeful for success of this.
JohnBitCo
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Re: Bitcointalk PSL T20 Pool and discussion.
May 06, 2020, 12:00:05 PM
#352
Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 05, 2020, 08:44:12 AM
Quote from: UmerIdrees on May 05, 2020, 08:22:36 AM
Same is the issue with Pakistan cricket board. I think all the cricket boards are influenced by the governments in some way. When new government came in Pakistan, the Prime Minister of Pakistan Imran Khan appointed  Ehsan Mani as a  PCB Chairman. So this means that there is a political interference in cricket board and we cannot deny it.

Apart from the ECB and the CA (may be the NZC as well), all the other cricket boards have an accountability issue. The ICC has suspended Zimbabwe recently for political interference. But I don't think that they will have the courage to suspend any of the richer boards, if the same happens to them. Even the ICC is miles behind, when we compare it with other sports bodies such as the FIFA and the FIBA.

No one can compare ICC with FIFA because FIFA has 211 national associations while ICC only have to manage 12 countries which are full members (This includes India, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, , Zimbabwe, England, Ireland ,West Indies, , Afghanistan, , Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh.) Rest 105 counties also are the member of International Cricket Council (ICC) but as we all know they never play any serious cricket.
BitSat19
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Re: Bitcointalk PSL T20 Pool and discussion.
May 06, 2020, 11:31:45 AM
#351
Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 06, 2020, 11:26:06 AM
Quote from: Indymoney on May 05, 2020, 02:15:41 PM
One thing is sure ICC is not doing as they need to do this because they now they have no power and courage to do this as just very few countries and if they ban any richer country then its can create troubles for them so you are right they are miles behind from FIFA FIBA and some other strong authorities like this.

There are multiple factors behind this weakness. First of all, cricket is not as widespread as the other sports. You have football as a major sport in hundreds of nations. On the other hand, cricket is a major sport only in a few dozen nations. And the lion's share of revenue comes from India. Football and the other sports doesn't have this problem. No single country is dominating these sports.
Just because of this ICC trying to spread this they want some more countries and revenue generators but its not easy but one thing is sure if we have experiments like this then surely this will be good and we will able to have some good countries and more revenue as this will be fast game like many other popular games.
Vishnu.Reang
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Re: Bitcointalk PSL T20 Pool and discussion.
May 06, 2020, 11:26:06 AM
#350
Quote from: Indymoney on May 05, 2020, 02:15:41 PM
One thing is sure ICC is not doing as they need to do this because they now they have no power and courage to do this as just very few countries and if they ban any richer country then its can create troubles for them so you are right they are miles behind from FIFA FIBA and some other strong authorities like this.

There are multiple factors behind this weakness. First of all, cricket is not as widespread as the other sports. You have football as a major sport in hundreds of nations. On the other hand, cricket is a major sport only in a few dozen nations. And the lion's share of revenue comes from India. Football and the other sports doesn't have this problem. No single country is dominating these sports.
Indymoney
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Re: Bitcointalk PSL T20 Pool and discussion.
May 05, 2020, 02:15:41 PM
#349
Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 05, 2020, 08:44:12 AM
Quote from: UmerIdrees on May 05, 2020, 08:22:36 AM
Same is the issue with Pakistan cricket board. I think all the cricket boards are influenced by the governments in some way. When new government came in Pakistan, the Prime Minister of Pakistan Imran Khan appointed  Ehsan Mani as a  PCB Chairman. So this means that there is a political interference in cricket board and we cannot deny it.

Apart from the ECB and the CA (may be the NZC as well), all the other cricket boards have an accountability issue. The ICC has suspended Zimbabwe recently for political interference. But I don't think that they will have the courage to suspend any of the richer boards, if the same happens to them. Even the ICC is miles behind, when we compare it with other sports bodies such as the FIFA and the FIBA.
One thing is sure ICC is not doing as they need to do this because they now they have no power and courage to do this as just very few countries and if they ban any richer country then its can create troubles for them so you are right they are miles behind from FIFA FIBA and some other strong authorities like this.
Vishnu.Reang
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Re: Bitcointalk PSL T20 Pool and discussion.
May 05, 2020, 08:44:12 AM
#348
Quote from: UmerIdrees on May 05, 2020, 08:22:36 AM
Same is the issue with Pakistan cricket board. I think all the cricket boards are influenced by the governments in some way. When new government came in Pakistan, the Prime Minister of Pakistan Imran Khan appointed  Ehsan Mani as a  PCB Chairman. So this means that there is a political interference in cricket board and we cannot deny it.

Apart from the ECB and the CA (may be the NZC as well), all the other cricket boards have an accountability issue. The ICC has suspended Zimbabwe recently for political interference. But I don't think that they will have the courage to suspend any of the richer boards, if the same happens to them. Even the ICC is miles behind, when we compare it with other sports bodies such as the FIFA and the FIBA.
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Re: Bitcointalk PSL T20 Pool and discussion.
May 05, 2020, 08:22:36 AM
#347
Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 03, 2020, 07:48:37 AM
Quote from: JSRAW on May 02, 2020, 09:04:12 PM
@ pakhitheboss already mentioned about Political interference and favoritism and its true, favoritism can get you chance but if you failed to capitalize then no one can save you at any cost.

In other sports situation is worse but in cricket India got lucky because BCCI always had strong management and mature leadership over the long period of time and top of that BCCI can't compromise on quality due to their marketing strategy.

The management of BCCI has improved a lot over the years. Things are getting more transparent, especially after people such as N Srinivasan and Sharad Pawar were kicked out. Now Ganguly seems to be having the power, and its a good thing. BCCI needs to be controlled by the players, and not by some businessmen and politicians who in reality have no interest in the sport.

Same is the issue with Pakistan cricket board. I think all the cricket boards are influenced by the governments in some way. When new government came in Pakistan, the Prime Minister of Pakistan Imran Khan appointed  Ehsan Mani as a  PCB Chairman. So this means that there is a political interference in cricket board and we cannot deny it.
Vishnu.Reang
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Re: Bitcointalk PSL T20 Pool and discussion.
May 03, 2020, 07:48:37 AM
#346
Quote from: JSRAW on May 02, 2020, 09:04:12 PM
@ pakhitheboss already mentioned about Political interference and favoritism and its true, favoritism can get you chance but if you failed to capitalize then no one can save you at any cost.

In other sports situation is worse but in cricket India got lucky because BCCI always had strong management and mature leadership over the long period of time and top of that BCCI can't compromise on quality due to their marketing strategy.

The management of BCCI has improved a lot over the years. Things are getting more transparent, especially after people such as N Srinivasan and Sharad Pawar were kicked out. Now Ganguly seems to be having the power, and its a good thing. BCCI needs to be controlled by the players, and not by some businessmen and politicians who in reality have no interest in the sport.
JohnBitCo
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Re: Bitcointalk PSL T20 Pool and discussion.
May 03, 2020, 01:07:24 AM
#345
Quote from: JSRAW on May 02, 2020, 01:27:17 PM
Quote from: BitSat19 on May 01, 2020, 03:40:17 PM
Quote from: JSRAW on May 01, 2020, 03:36:59 PM
~snip~

It was mere suggestion from his side anyway. Even if such law doesn't comes in reality, PCB still need some fixing to do. for ex : boycott any players  who gets caught in match-spot fixing, no matter how talented they are. 
I understand this all but sadly we are very lazy in these things because most of politicians and related boards have links and relationship so they are eating all they never like any strong action and law for this all.
Well its not just Pakistan problem. its same everywhere but prevalent in Indian subcontinent when it comes to cricket.

Politicians comes from the society so we can't pin blame on politicians only. Sometimes society need some soul searching too.

If you noticed there is politics in every field of life where there is money involved. Where it be a cricket or a major political seat in the country, you will find such things. If the upper management is strong and fair, only then these politics can be controlled to some extent. Also this is true for all the countries and not just few places of the world.
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Re: Bitcointalk PSL T20 Pool and discussion.
May 02, 2020, 09:04:12 PM
#344
Quote from: BitSat19 on May 02, 2020, 03:21:06 PM
Quote from: JSRAW on May 02, 2020, 01:27:17 PM
~snip~
Well its not just Pakistan problem. its same everywhere but prevalent in Indian subcontinent when it comes to cricket.

Politicians comes from the society so we can't pin blame on politicians only. Sometimes society need some soul searching too.
In India they have some better system and accountability about many things just because of this now they are one of most powerful cricket board in world but in our country we have nothing just personal like and dislike which hurting many talented youngsters and blaming politicians is really never been good but its need to settle things as they came in power just for this all.
@ pakhitheboss already mentioned about Political interference and favoritism and its true, favoritism can get you chance but if you failed to capitalize then no one can save you at any cost.

In other sports situation is worse but in cricket India got lucky because BCCI always had strong management and mature leadership over the long period of time and top of that BCCI can't compromise on quality due to their marketing strategy.
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Re: Bitcointalk PSL T20 Pool and discussion.
May 02, 2020, 07:47:18 PM
#343
Quote from: BitSat19 on May 02, 2020, 03:21:06 PM
Quote from: JSRAW on May 02, 2020, 01:27:17 PM
Quote from: BitSat19 on May 01, 2020, 03:40:17 PM
Quote from: JSRAW on May 01, 2020, 03:36:59 PM
~snip~

It was mere suggestion from his side anyway. Even if such law doesn't comes in reality, PCB still need some fixing to do. for ex : boycott any players  who gets caught in match-spot fixing, no matter how talented they are. 
I understand this all but sadly we are very lazy in these things because most of politicians and related boards have links and relationship so they are eating all they never like any strong action and law for this all.
Well its not just Pakistan problem. its same everywhere but prevalent in Indian subcontinent when it comes to cricket.

Politicians comes from the society so we can't pin blame on politicians only. Sometimes society need some soul searching too.
In India they have some better system and accountability about many things just because of this now they are one of most powerful cricket board in world but in our country we have nothing just personal like and dislike which hurting many talented youngsters and blaming politicians is really never been good but its need to settle things as they came in power just for this all.

It is still there but, you have to prove your talent. There have been many instances when a player got selected because he is related to someone but if they are not able to perform they are quickly removed and the next person in the line gets the chance. Corruption and favoritism is everywhere.
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Re: Bitcointalk PSL T20 Pool and discussion.
May 02, 2020, 03:21:06 PM
#342
Quote from: JSRAW on May 02, 2020, 01:27:17 PM
Quote from: BitSat19 on May 01, 2020, 03:40:17 PM
Quote from: JSRAW on May 01, 2020, 03:36:59 PM
~snip~

It was mere suggestion from his side anyway. Even if such law doesn't comes in reality, PCB still need some fixing to do. for ex : boycott any players  who gets caught in match-spot fixing, no matter how talented they are. 
I understand this all but sadly we are very lazy in these things because most of politicians and related boards have links and relationship so they are eating all they never like any strong action and law for this all.
Well its not just Pakistan problem. its same everywhere but prevalent in Indian subcontinent when it comes to cricket.

Politicians comes from the society so we can't pin blame on politicians only. Sometimes society need some soul searching too.
In India they have some better system and accountability about many things just because of this now they are one of most powerful cricket board in world but in our country we have nothing just personal like and dislike which hurting many talented youngsters and blaming politicians is really never been good but its need to settle things as they came in power just for this all.
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Re: Bitcointalk PSL T20 Pool and discussion.
May 02, 2020, 01:27:17 PM
#341
Quote from: BitSat19 on May 01, 2020, 03:40:17 PM
Quote from: JSRAW on May 01, 2020, 03:36:59 PM
~snip~

It was mere suggestion from his side anyway. Even if such law doesn't comes in reality, PCB still need some fixing to do. for ex : boycott any players  who gets caught in match-spot fixing, no matter how talented they are. 
I understand this all but sadly we are very lazy in these things because most of politicians and related boards have links and relationship so they are eating all they never like any strong action and law for this all.
Well its not just Pakistan problem. its same everywhere but prevalent in Indian subcontinent when it comes to cricket.

Politicians comes from the society so we can't pin blame on politicians only. Sometimes society need some soul searching too.
BitSat19
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Re: Bitcointalk PSL T20 Pool and discussion.
May 01, 2020, 03:40:17 PM
#340
Quote from: JSRAW on May 01, 2020, 03:36:59 PM
Quote from: BitSat19 on May 01, 2020, 02:36:20 PM
Quote from: JSRAW on April 30, 2020, 10:44:06 PM

~snip~

I was listening Ramiz raja, he was saying that Pakistan need parliamentary law regarding match fixing and last i heard PCB already trying to do something similar. If it happens then Akmal got %ucked, otherwise he has some chances.
In Pakistan we have many issues and personal egos which are creating problems in every field Rameez Raja is no authority just a commentator so I am not sure we will have any law like this in near future.

It was mere suggestion from his side anyway. Even if such law doesn't comes in reality, PCB still need some fixing to do. for ex : boycott any players  who gets caught in match-spot fixing, no matter how talented they are. 
I understand this all but sadly we are very lazy in these things because most of politicians and related boards have links and relationship so they are eating all they never like any strong action and law for this all.
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Re: Bitcointalk PSL T20 Pool and discussion.
May 01, 2020, 03:36:59 PM
#339
Quote from: BitSat19 on May 01, 2020, 02:36:20 PM
Quote from: JSRAW on April 30, 2020, 10:44:06 PM

~snip~

I was listening Ramiz raja, he was saying that Pakistan need parliamentary law regarding match fixing and last i heard PCB already trying to do something similar. If it happens then Akmal got %ucked, otherwise he has some chances.
In Pakistan we have many issues and personal egos which are creating problems in every field Rameez Raja is no authority just a commentator so I am not sure we will have any law like this in near future.

It was mere suggestion from his side anyway. Even if such law doesn't comes in reality, PCB still need some fixing to do. for ex : boycott any players  who gets caught in match-spot fixing, no matter how talented they are. 
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Re: Bitcointalk PSL T20 Pool and discussion.
May 01, 2020, 02:36:20 PM
#338
Quote from: JSRAW on April 30, 2020, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on April 30, 2020, 01:21:05 PM
~snip~
So hope remains for Umar Akmal. Perhaps he can also resume his career, similar to Amir.

I was listening Ramiz raja, he was saying that Pakistan need parliamentary law regarding match fixing and last i heard PCB already trying to do something similar. If it happens then Akmal got %ucked, otherwise he has some chances.
In Pakistan we have many issues and personal egos which are creating problems in every field Rameez Raja is no authority just a commentator so I am not sure we will have any law like this in near future.
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