I’d rather them being prohibited, so as to have a solid reference on how to act, that it be left an arbitrary thing depending on the criteria of different discrepant individuals. I was actually looking for a quote of the matter from the higher spheres of the forum, and came across this: https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=5197446.0
The quote in the first post seems like a non-real-quote (as shown by the note at the end of the post, the wrong pointing quote link, and the fact that there is no such post made by @theymos, neither on Bitcointalk nor any of the archive sites I’ve looked at), but it gives an idea on how arbitrary the criteria can be on such a matter.
Whilst people are bound to differ in opinion on the topic at hand, or to the shades of grey implied as exemplified by the above referenced post, it does seem an overall conceptual conflict to allow account sales, but to discourage them, and even lead them to be tagged for it. A more logical approach would be to prohibit them (try and control that though), and report proven cases for appropriate action to be taken to either party.
Topic: Bitcointalk Rules..Bend/Break (Read 298 times)
Permit me but I feel like this particular rule needs modifications, if not how would account sales be allowed and yet disencouraged?
I shared the same perspective on this in another thread a few days ago here 👇 Find below my view from the post as seen in the snippet from the quoted comment.My dear, it's really the height of a hidden paradox. Frankly, I have tried to wrap my head around that part too of something being allowed but then discouraged and it keeps beating me hallow. To put it mildly, it doesn't make sense to me.
.Different shades of opinion emanated from that discourse which still didn't assuage my confusion. It's like scheming something to intentionally ensnare someone. I sincerely hope theymos will throw light on that or simply abolish it.
I'd like a more strict rule on this forum. There are some things that are left to the interpretation of moderators and with how big the forum is, some things tend to get lost in translation. But the acc selling rule is a hard one. Sure, it should be a stricter punishment than just waving your finger at the person, but anything stricter (ban or suspension) should come with strong evidence of wrongdoing, and a lot of time, that's impossible.
The topic account selling is allowed yet they don't which is kind of confusing to some forum users but one thing that I know is that moderators/DTs doesn't like account selling they always tag someone who has a solid evidence of selling an account. I don't know how they want to allow it to some users, like friend or something if some reputable user sold his or give his/her account to their friend(s).That rule somehow must be changed to discouraging account selling and not just allowed account selling since the bottom line is always "don't you'll get red tag". I don't know how many times they have been discussing this topic but theymos probably knew about this yet just leave it to the users.
<…> any member that want to sell or buy Bitcointalk account knows that he is going against the forum rules <…>
Well, the point of this thread is to discuss the rule highlighted and quoted in the OP. It clearly states that accounts sales are actually allowed. It does not, however, dwell on the lateral side effects of doing so, which are depicted on subsequent posts within this thread. The virtual corollary is a sort of "but don’t", despite it being allowed.Waw seriously I think trading of account is really illegal in the forum thanks for the awareness maybe I will have to go true the forum rules again but I think trading of accounts shouldn't be a good idea. Why will you buy account you should be able to build your account yourself and am sure some people will buy account just to do illegal things.
<…> any member that want to sell or buy Bitcointalk account knows that he is going against the forum rules <…>
Well, the point of this thread is to discuss the rule highlighted and quoted in the OP. It clearly states that accounts sales are actually allowed. It does not, however, dwell on the lateral side effects of doing so, which are depicted on subsequent posts within this thread. The virtual corollary is a sort of "but don’t", despite it being allowed.
Every member of the forum knows that trading of accounts is highly discouraged so any member that want to sell or buy Bitcointalk account knows that he is going against the forum rules and there is punishment for that so if they are caught I believe both the buyer and the seller should be given a negative trust for going against the forum rules.
I also found your other thread. You think selling accounts for $500 will discourage "unlawful account sales?". Is there such a thing as a lawful sale? It's been a long since you posted this thread, are your beliefs on the subject still the same?
It was just a suggestion, but the forum members turned it down, I later had to think about it and noticed I was wrong, it has been discussed in the past and theymos is not having thinking in that direction. If we think of it, someone involving himself here in discussion will rank up if having good posts, that is all that matters. For those that bought account, it is not hard to know them here that they are new. If it is still hard to know them, they are not resistant to ban if the account bought is found guity of not obeying the forum rules that can lead to ban.
That was what I believed when I first came to the forum. You're right Oshosondy buying account is taking shortcuts
What I was also thinking when I joined, but later I saw it to be wrong too, what matters is to be visiting the forum often and post quality posts on quality threads. Additionally, bought accounts in bounties are spammers. They don't understand forum rules and only spam to get money from bounties. It's harmful for the forum and community.
I am not insinuating this to you that you are wrong, you are right, but nothing yet changed about the bounty hunters with very high spam posts but paid by bounty managers. 
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18. Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.
Forum rules are vague. Admin leaves the floor open for interpretation. This rule in particular was not well detailed because of this I think the rules are bent by users to suit their wants. When we say accounts sales are discouraged, are we talking ban, negative tags or just frowned upon. Buying an account other than copper membership sounds like cheating because I have discovered in Bitcointalk each user has a reputation.
Because there are many scammers bought accounts to make their scam activities more legit. They can make a view better if they are Legendary members.
If you don't do anything wrong, a negative feedback can not kill you. It is not good feeling but it won't kill you. Anyway, it is unfair for newbies who don't buy account and have to grow up with merit system, while you just spend $100, $200 to buy a Legendary account and join campaigns or bounties.
Additionally, bought accounts in bounties are spammers. They don't understand forum rules and only spam to get money from bounties. It's harmful for the forum and community.
I'd like a more strict rule on this forum. There are some things that are left to the interpretation of moderators and with how big the forum is, some things tend to get lost in translation. But the acc selling rule is a hard one. Sure, it should be a stricter punishment than just waving your finger at the person, but anything stricter (ban or suspension) should come with strong evidence of wrongdoing, and a lot of time, that's impossible.
I also found your other thread. You think selling accounts for $500 will discourage "unlawful account sales?". Is there such a thing as a lawful sale? It's been a long since you posted this thread, are your beliefs on the subject still the same?
It was just a suggestion, but the forum members turned it down, I later had to think about it and noticed I was wrong, it has been discussed in the past and theymos is not having thinking in that direction. If we think of it, someone involving himself here in discussion will rank up if having good posts, that is all that matters. For those that bought account, it is not hard to know them here that they are new. If it is still hard to know them, they are not resistant to ban if the account bought is found guity of not obeying the forum rules that can lead to ban.
I also found your other thread. You think selling accounts for $500 will discourage "unlawful account sales?". Is there such a thing as a lawful sale? It's been a long since you posted this thread, are your beliefs on the subject still the same?
It was just a suggestion, but the forum members turned it down, I later had to think about it and noticed I was wrong, it has been discussed in the past and theymos is not having thinking in that direction. If we think of it, someone involving himself here in discussion will rank up if having good posts, that is all that matters. For those that bought account, it is not hard to know them here that they are new. If it is still hard to know them, they are not resistant to ban if the account bought is found guity of not obeying the forum rules that can lead to ban.I also found your other thread. You think selling accounts for $500 will discourage "unlawful account sales?". Is there such a thing as a lawful sale? It's been a long since you posted this thread, are your beliefs on the subject still the same?
It was just a suggestion, but the forum members turned it down, I later had to think about it and noticed I was wrong, it has been discussed in the past and theymos is not having thinking in that direction. If we think of it, someone involving himself here in discussion will rank up if having good posts, that is all that matters. For those that bought account, it is not hard to know them here that they are new. If it is still hard to know them, they are not resistant to ban if the account bought is found guity of not obeying the forum rules that can lead to ban. One can buy an account that has cases of unreported plagiarism without knowing. In the future, when the plagiarism comes to light the person loses his/her account. Is there a plea for such case?
I have a topic regarding sales of Bitcointalk account and why it should be discouraged, you can read it, it indirectly talks about what you are asking about.Sales of bitcointalk account must be discouraged
Regardless of an account bought or not, the user will be banned if there is any cases of plagiarism, that is why it is good to start from the scratch just like you did.
Buying account used by someone is at higher risk Level from my own Perspective, it the seller who knows he or he obligation for selling the account. So in the aspect of commitment, if a purchased account have existing issues that has not been resolved before it could be sold out, it's obvious that the problem belong to who purchased the account and no amount the problem will get involve to whom sold the account. I aware that buying account is not against the forum law but the problem is that do you know what the account will result out tomorrow.
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18. Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.
Forum rules are vague. Admin leaves the floor open for interpretation. I don't know exactly when, but sometime during 2015 the current guidelines for selling/buying BTT accounts came into force, and until then the accounts were normally sold and bought without any sanctions, or rather without negative trust feedback as is the case now. It would be better if account trading was completely banned, but that’s another thing the forum administration doesn’t want to deal with, and it’s all left to DT members who mostly paint all those involved in red. Unfortunately, many such accounts still participate in signature/bounty campaigns, which was not the case before.
One can buy an account that has cases of unreported plagiarism without knowing. In the future, when the plagiarism comes to light the person loses his/her account. Is there a plea for such case?
As other members have already mentioned, there is one case that has been positively resolved in favor of a member on the intervention of the admin, but after all his reputation has been pretty damaged and I think it's hard or almost impossible to fix things like that. The lesson of the story is that if you do something bad, sooner or later you have to pay the price for it. Don’t buy/sell accounts and don’t do plagiarism, two rules that everyone should follow.
Permit me but I feel like this particular rule needs modifications, if not how would account sales be allowed and yet disencouraged?
No doubt, most persons have genuine reasons why the operate dual accounts, but if this is a rule, then the should be penalty for defaulters.
How would you define which account has been sold and/or transferred ownership? How would you know someone is using bunches of account? I guess you have no way to verify that unless you are going to implement KYC which makes zero sense of course. Therefore, how would you evaluate that? Admin must go through a lot of questionable decision which doesn’t make any sense. I believe the rule set by the admin is more or less flexible for everyone if they use the forum for discussion.No doubt, most persons have genuine reasons why the operate dual accounts, but if this is a rule, then the should be penalty for defaulters.
Permit me but I feel like this particular rule needs modifications, if not how would account sales be allowed and yet disencouraged?
No doubt, most persons have genuine reasons why the operate dual accounts, but if this is a rule, then the should be penalty for defaulters.
How would you define which account has been sold and/or transferred ownership? How would you know someone is using bunches of account? I guess you have no way to verify that unless you are going to implement KYC which makes zero sense of course. Therefore, how would you evaluate that? Admin must go through a lot of questionable decision which doesn’t make any sense. I believe the rule set by the admin is more or less flexible for everyone if they use the forum for discussion. No doubt, most persons have genuine reasons why the operate dual accounts, but if this is a rule, then the should be penalty for defaulters.
Permit me but I feel like this particular rule needs modifications, if not how would account sales be allowed and yet disencouraged?
No doubt, most persons have genuine reasons why the operate dual accounts, but if this is a rule, then the should be penalty for defaulters.
No doubt, most persons have genuine reasons why the operate dual accounts, but if this is a rule, then the should be penalty for defaulters.
Because most of the time, purchased accounts are used to circumvent signature campaign/ bounty campaign rules or to be used to scam.
However as mentioned above, that's when the tags come in so people will use their judgements before dealing with the account(s) in question.
Permit me but I feel like this particular rule needs modifications, if not how would account sales be allowed and yet disencouraged?
No doubt, most persons have genuine reasons why the operate dual accounts, but if this is a rule, then the should be penalty for defaulters.
No doubt, most persons have genuine reasons why the operate dual accounts, but if this is a rule, then the should be penalty for defaulters.
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