Topic: [Ban Appeal] bill gator (Read 2831 times)

Feels good to be back; thank you theymos.


I wish your principles were consistent even half of the time.


Always convenient, never consistent.


Interesting how that one turned out, right? Unless I'm understanding this incorrectly, iluvbitcoins also bought their account - except they bought it as a legendary, with trust-feedback years after I did. I'm convinced I have that story wrong though, because the actions of certain members are contradictory when comparing my situation and iluvbitcoins - please correct me where I'm wrong.

Thank you for not being one of the weak-spined muppets that dances to the bullets at their feet.


Yet here we are.


No, I made the situation transparent and allowed the proper people to make the call.


Sorry QS, this time around, it really was me explaining my situation. You'll get em next time, though!


Anyone else as excited for me to be back as I am?


You're entitled to your opinion, but from the way you articulated that it sounds like you would be more supportive of my judgement if I silently accepted the punishment for a crime I didn't commit rather than explaining what actually happened and accepting what will come from my true actions.


Statements like this are surprising to hear from someone you considered a friend.

Now that my ban is lifted, it would seem the next objective is to appeal for consistency within the DT network; either tag all of us bought accounts, set a statute of limitations, or at least stop being so obvious when you play favorites.

Appeal successful, locking thread.

I kinda agree especially given the circumstances of the reputation of his account now. I totally understand theymos is doing what he feels is right and punishing someone for something they didn't do is wrong, but 60 days isn't long to wait and he can't really monetise his signature for much if at all now so whether he has one or not makes little difference, but it opens up a whole new can of worms. As theymos stated, people will now run with this "bought account" excuse. In fact, there's probably lots of bought accounts that were farmed in this way that are now more notable members. For all the problems this is likely going to cause I think it would have been best to just let the ban run, especially if looking into these cases by admins in detail isn't going to be commonplace as a whole lot of people are probably not going to get the same lenience or fairness.


But if it's only going to be once in a blue moon it'll be unfair to all the other cases that don't ever get looked into.


It shouldn't 'ease up' and should continue doing what it's doing, but discussing how we deal and punish 'historic' cases can certainly be up for debate. Sometimes I do feel it's harsh giving a year ban for one plagiarism made years ago, but the extent of their plagiarism may never be fully detected. I'm sure there's been a hell of a lot of people cleaning out their accounts of any posts they likely didn't make but to find them all amongst thousands would be very difficult. The bot won't find everything either, and I'm not sure how well it finds word spinners etc if at all.

theymos has very straight and confident approach when he solves case manually, even handle case manually requires lot of time and flexible treatments, that might cause controversy in the forum. As a core approach of theymos, it is likely that only users that have good reputation, and good net-effects deserve his time to handle manually when serious accusation pops up.

Glad to see theymos's action here. It does show that there are still people looking over cases and reviewing the circumstances; much to the dismay of most of the complaints out there. The rest is for the "Trust" network to sort out for itself.

I don't agree with easing up on what the Bot is searching. If someone made the one mistake years ago, then they are receiving leniency, we've seen it for so many people now. If it's happening now instead of 4 or 5 years ago, probably better for them; as it's not a permaban. Had it happened then they would be Ban evading and there is no case for them to complain if they get caught. Anyone receiving these bans should just serve the time and wear the signature with gratitude, for their second chance.

Edit: I said this elsewhere and sums up my feelings fairly well.

@theymos you know though your intervention on this particular issue will only make things worst. The account is already destroy with red tags and he has already lost his spot on the chipmixer campaign. Don't see how benefits the ban lifting was to him and this will only stir another reputed veteran argument on Reputation board well I'm keeping my popcorn ready for this one. Off to reputation board.

My thoughts, you'll have used this case as a perfect example to pass a message that buying of account is discourage and plagiarism is unexcusable by allowing him to serve his 60days temp ban and unban his signature privilege after then for the reason you stated above. Well you know what's best for the forum so kudos.

And there you have it!

How do you feel about the idea of statutes of limitations on plagiarism cases? I think punishing somebody for a one-off offense done years ago (talking like 3 or more years ago) is a bit too stringent and the current plagiabot running around is a bit out of hand, leading to the banning of people for a mistake committed in 2014. Maybe the query or the rule should be tightened a bit. Just my opinion.

This is part of why account trading is strongly discouraged. Usually we won't even consider this excuse, since only admins can properly investigate it, it takes too much time, it's often too ambiguous, and you really shouldn't be trading accounts anyway. But especially for very veteran members, we do occasionally look into these claims and reconsider the matter based on them. This isn't the first case like this: there are a surprising number of notable members who originally bought their accounts.

After looking at the logs, I find it likely that this story is true, so it wasn't him personally who did the plagiarism. Trading accounts is strongly discouraged, but not against the rules. Therefore, the ban is removed.

This action may be controversial, and now I'll probably have everyone appealing based on "I bought the account from my neighbor!" (Which I'll nearly always reject...) But even though it is largely bill gator's fault, I just find it on the whole too unfair to treat him as though he did something when I'm looking at evidence showing that he didn't.

Well, have a look at that... Look whose talking about UNDESERVING. You may lick the foxhole if you want some Merits, not the majority of the public cares about what's going on about Bill's  account, they do more care about Bitcoins rather than this shitty whole thing about a plagiarized contents which the OP believes he doesn't did that.

Just STFU, and live your life into the shadows, you're also being one of the cunts that Thule's running along side him.

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Atleast these members that you're pointing as DT-wannabes isn't involved with shady businesses like selling accounts and having an involvement with scammers.

A lot of ass kissing between DT-wannabes and DT members in this thread. A lot of merited posts which do not deserve merits between each other. Sounds just like the communist regime I described a few pages earlier, not that I care at all about what happens here anymore just making people see what is really happening.

If embracing a QS conspiracy theory is the last move he has to make it would be sad indeed...  That being said nothing would surprise me at this point and he has nothing really left to lose.

Anyone else getting a feeling that 60 days later bill gator may try to tell us that it wasn't him who posted this appeal that backfired on him, and that he didn't actually purchase the account

With regards to not knowing to check for plagiarism in 2015, I get where you are coming from, but I think thats just one of the risks of buying a used account. If a scammer sold their account before the scam accusation was made public, the new owner would get a raw deal from buying the account. I'd essentially equate it to Bill getting scammed by the account farmer, again assuming the story is true. There isn't really a way for the forum to handle it, rather than just saying, hey that sucks. I'm assuming you've read at least a handful of ban appeals where the people claim to have never done anything wrong, outraged about their false accusation, only to have someone skim through their posts, quote what got them banned, and then they go silent. Imagine what the hundreds of accounts banned for plagiarism would try if there was an inch to give regarding responsibility for actions made by an account.

My personal opinion assuming that there was a single case of plagiarism and we aren't all looking past another 15 offenses that weren't made public, is that the sig ban should stay in place and the 60 day ban should be removed. That said, with the people that are having their permabans removed, aren't they getting off with just signature bans? That leads me to believe there may be more going on than we see. Its tough to compare the punishment from 2015 to now. Sig spammers that plagiarized in 2015 just got nuked, but thats also because there weren't higher ranked members that plagiarized.

If we make assumption that Bill is telling the truth, he would know that plagiarism could have happened before November 07 (another assumption is that Bill didn't c/p anything after Nov.)

There are only 100 posts before Nov 07, it wouldn't be so hard for them to check post history of previous owner and to assume that they are banned because of that post. But that is really strange. I went to see first page of account's post history and it took me exactly 1 minute to find this:



Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/harrypotter/comments/1c5iwz/lord_of_the_rings_vs_harry_potter/


Post #7:

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2i7pbe/ebola_something_that_isnt_adding_up/


On the same page (#1):

Source: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mcxnow-scam-or-not-293432



https://www.reddit.com/r/cringepics/comments/2jit12/i_deleted_him_after_this/
Not sure about source of that source.



Not sure who is source, anyway, it was posted here (connection is not secure) https://www.wackbag.com/threads/breaking-777-crashes-on-russian-border.157764/page-4


Maybe Bill looked for plagiarism from Nov 07 backwards? Well, anyway, I don't see anyone came here to say OP is not Bill except you, so we can also do it your way and assume that "you know the truth" because "you are Bill" and OP is person or bot who reported Bill.

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I don't think you are being honest here.

And, as I can see you have bought account to join bitmixer's signature campaign:


So I call this one big BS:
Mr. Fake Bill probably meant to say that they fell in love with bitmixer's signature campaign and only problem was - ranking up speed.

LOL at snitchmoon and lauda the liar here.  Talking about lies and logic??

1. Lauda has been found guilty of lying for financial reward (scamming) probable extortion, shady escrow, trust abuse... and yet suchmoron has NO PROBLEM trusting them and including them on DT1. Anything that comes from its slobbering chops is questionable.

Suchmoon is the front man/bbw for this lauda/tman/owlcatz/yogg scammy little bunch of dirt bags.

I tell you what snitch moon, dig your BBW nose into all the dirt you can find on bill gator and I will bring all the dirt on lauda, tman, and we can compare in public?  we will see who is less trustworthy and who it would be far more dangerous to set in a position of DT1.

I don't give one shit about bill gator, that fool never stuck up for the true legend at all, and joined in when it suited him to be part of their gang of dirt bags. I suspect he only appealed out of greed for his sig.

However, double standards need to be pointed out in every thread. They are ON TOPIC and RELEVANT because they furnish the reader with the full and deep understanding of the matters at hand, and peoples possible motives and reasons for the opinions they give with no real grounding or demonstrate the context they are trying to build for offering those opinions are false or misleading.

I would rather see billgator in DT1 than that blob snichmoon or its master lauda. Although all 3 are likely highly unsuitable.

I don't care about his appeal either way, who cares about a sig ban. However, his red tags for buying an account can only remain by lauda and tman or ANY OTHER DT if they also red tag nutildah.  No more double standards.

Keep his sig ban on (who cares) but remove his red tags and stop discussing him as untrustworthy and unworthy of DT1 based on things you give others a pass on and are guilty of yourselves.

So much for trying, telling another crime doesn't solve your other problen on the past plagiarized post. If you would only have waited for at least 2 months you won't have been tag by them. I don't even know why you just had not waited for two months as most of the ban appeals I see are about members having a perma ban status and when lifted they'll have just right about your punishment so obviously what your punishment now is something that permabanned users are hoping to get.

I think the account is dead to him anyway, what with the temp ban and the sig ban (no more signature earnings) so it's a last-ditch long-shot effort to revert the ban. Nothing to lose. Sometimes extreme honesty can work. I don't think it will in this case though. Too many lies make the newfound honesty questionable.

I knew he was banned days ago when his signature reflected:

The above in addition to the fact that he hasn’t posted in several days, starting prior to when he was banned. I believe he was banned on May 19 just before 9PM.

I would presume that anyone else could make the same conclusion.

(Technically I don’t *know* he was banned at all or at that time, but it is reasonable for one to reach the conclusion).

How did the supposed alt know that bill gator was banned to rush here and make this conspiracy theory work?  Just because something is technically a non zero chance of happening doesn't mean it's worth considering.  For example I think there is a non zero chance you are not a full fledged lying scamming cunt fart, however anyone with more than a couple of functioning brain cells shouldn't trust you with anything of value in any way shape or form.

Ironically, baboons are  capable of logic. But OP, here looks plainly stupid, creating a thread when the punishment is already lenient and frowning the whole community.

This is so crazy  

When I created my account here and began using the forum, bill gator helped  a lot with his thread sMerit Post-Review. Merit was a new thing in the forum, and he gave me a few and incentive me to make good posts. He was one of those trusted users from the community which was somehow an example of good members to me.