Bitcointalk's important historic changes

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Quote from: tranthidung on January 15, 2024, 04:47:42 AM

Added some latest changes:

Suspend ad sales
2FA added
Mixers ban
Second chances

As fast as all these were implemented, several months ago, it's already beginning to seem like we've gone through several years without them...maybe for the fact that i have read enough of the stories over and over again and ^{[nothing else has been made to revoke the situation]}

Quote from: tranthidung on April 17, 2024, 10:49:03 AM

It's hard to say it is right or wrong but with his position, I understand why he decided to do that even in many years, theymos supports freedom.

Theymos doesn't have any potential to override the forum privately - out of the government's spectacle.. So if we all still wanna wake up and find our way back in here, ehhh, he needs to work by the rules he's been given..

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Quote from: aoluain on April 11, 2024, 05:53:01 AM

1.] The Merit System - big changes to the ranking system which still has people divided
and still generates a lot of discussion. There is generally a Love/Hate relationship with Merit.

Merit system changed the forum a lot, by its design and purpose, to help the forum better in quality. There are some changes in merit system since its kick-off too.

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2.] Mixer Ban - this was a massive announcement recently which stirred up a lot of discussion
on the removal of Mixer service adverts and the restriction of posting links to services etc.

There is still grey area in the ban but if theymos sees it, he will ban anything that he considers as risk for the forum and himself because of existing or potential regulation in the USA. It's hard to say it is right or wrong but with his position, I understand why he decided to do that even in many years, theymos supports freedom.

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Thats a great amount of work done tranthidung, interesting reading what I have done so far.
There is a lot there which I wasnt aware of and I guess many more were not aware of.

IMO the two biggest changes or the changes which impacted the community the most for
better, worse or from the amount of discussion surrounding them were:

1.] The Merit System - big changes to the ranking system which still has people divided
and still generates a lot of discussion. There is generally a Love/Hate relationship with Merit.

2.] Mixer Ban - this was a massive announcement recently which stirred up a lot of discussion
on the removal of Mixer service adverts and the restriction of posting links to services etc.

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Add information on historic changes of Forum Security Bounty and its rewards from initially in troy of ounce, converted to bitcoin; then in $ converted to Bitcoin since 2021.

Links and details updated in OP.

Quote from: tranthidung on September 23, 2019, 01:23:57 AM

Security Bounty

Security bounties (announcement) on October 12, 2013 by theymos. Initially, all information is in that thread.
- Wayback machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20140420064832/https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/security-bounties-309785
Now, information is at https://bitcointalk.org/sbounties.php
Rewards changed from troy ounces of gold (XAU), converted to Bitcoin. Since 2021, it is $, converted to Bitcoin.

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Added some latest changes:

Suspend ad sales
2FA added
Mixers ban
Second chances

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Today I occasionally find this interesting post. It is from a donator member and I am not sure all information is correct. I share it here as a note and maybe theymos or Cryus can share some more information about forum history.

As in OP, I highlighted that I still don't know when Cyrus became a forum admin.

Quote from: Raize on August 12, 2017, 11:41:06 PM

No. There was also Sirius which helped Satoshi immensely with the Bitcoin project in 2009. My knowledge on the history is limited because I was new at the time, but I believe they both trusted theymos to take care of it in 2010. Sirius gave control of the domains to Cobra. theymos and Cyrus run the forum now. That link appears to be a bit behind the times as BadBear isn't an administrator anymore, he doesn't appear to be even a moderator. He last posted in late 2016 and his account was last active on here in spring 2017.

Satoshi left the project over 7 years ago and there's no point in identifying him anymore. Sirius, who was responsible for porting the code to Linux and getting a lot of early interest (even more than Satoshi) eventually decided to leave the project in the hands of those who were interested in taking it further. The forum grew a lot from 2010 to 2013 and even though the signal to noise ratio hasn't always been the best, theymos and Cyrus have done a great job given the limitations of the software. theymos also runs the subreddit which has grown quite well over the years.

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Quote from: tranthidung on November 06, 2022, 06:30:39 AM

Actually, people can create new topics about same issues but ONLY IF

Past topics were locked, inactive and can not be updated as OP left the forum, dead, permanently banned etc.
That member actually believe his / her new topic is better than old and available one.

To add to that inactive remark, it's almost always better to create a new thread, unless your post directly contributes to the discussion of that older inactive thread, and quite substantially too. Otherwise, yeah new thread every time, which is usually the case of why we have duplicate threads, which is mostly okay, and not a big deal at all.

Also, technically they don't always have to think it's better, but rather they might not want to participate in a certain thread for x reasons. For example, if it's self moderated etc. That's just one of the reasons, but there's a few legitimate reasons why they might want to create an additional thread, without participating in the current one, and it wouldn't be much of a issue. The above reason being the most popular.

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Quote from: Stalker22 on November 06, 2022, 06:20:29 AM

This is very informative thread and deserves a small bump to stay on the front page.

I much appreciate your support. It's kinda recognition for my effort put into this topic Wink

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I always say, it is better to revive old threads than to create new ones on the same topic.

Actually, people can create new topics about same issues but ONLY IF

Past topics were locked, inactive and can not be updated as OP left the forum, dead, permanently banned etc.
That member actually believe his / her new topic is better than old and available one.

Honestly, mostly we witness the first IF but we don't witness the second IF. Similarly in scientific research, if a researcher can not make a new research to answer and solve an issue better than other researchers with published researches, don't try to make a new one.

In addition, to know that there are available topics about one issue, let's use [Guide] Searching effectively

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This is very informative thread and deserves a small bump to stay on the front page. I always say, it is better to revive old threads than to create new ones on the same topic.

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Bump!

with OP identifier SMF Patch since September 12 2022

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Quote from: Agbe on July 23, 2022, 06:14:31 AM

For the Forum administration: Satoshi created the site in 2008 and lunched it in 2009, then Theymos, Gavin Andersen, and Sirus promoted the site to the maximum level till date. Sirius took over from Satoshi Nakamoto. From the above analogy, I came to the conclusion that the site (bitcoin) was created by a group of people.

I can not understand your analogy. satoshi created this forum and can give admin role to other members who get trusted by satoshi.

About Bitcoin history, it was discussed in a group namely Cypherpunks but we can not conclude Bitcoin was created by a single person, a group of people, government or any entity.

The Cypherpunks and Bitcoin. The years before bitcointalk.

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So when the activity and merit were not used in the Forum, what was used to rank up users as of then?

Here you go.

History of bitcointalk.org's rank system
I think you will find answer after reading.

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I came to the Forum in the year 2021 December. Even as I registered in the forum as that time I was not active for about 2 months. And it is recently that I found out the origin of bitcointalk from my reading threads.

As for the Forum domain name, Satoshi said, the former sourceforge.net was charged to bitcointalk.org and some of the threads from the sourceforge website were transferred to the new site (bitcointalk.org). Now I like to know the reason of changing the former to the later. I am also asking this question because a student in my class asked this question and I have not answered the question.
For the Forum administration: Satoshi created the site in 2008 and lunched it in 2009, then Theymos, Gavin Andersen, and Sirus promoted the site to the maximum level till date. Sirius took over from Satoshi Nakamoto. From the above analogy, I came to the conclusion that the site (bitcoin) was created by a group of people.

And as for the ranking system. November 2009 to January 2018 no activity was used to rank up and as of June 2018 the same year activity system was introduced, and later merit was also introduced. So when the activity and merit were not used in the Forum, what was used to rank up users as of then?

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Quote from: tranthidung on July 23, 2022, 01:24:14 AM

I try myself to keep it up-to-date, but sometimes I know about update but I am not available at that moment. Later, I forgot to update OP.

If you or anyone knows of something is missing here, please ping me for update. Much appreciated! This way, you will also contribute as asset of a forum. Cheesy

I sure will, I guess that goes for everyone else too.

Quote from: tranthidung on July 23, 2022, 01:24:14 AM

Quote from: Smartvirus on July 23, 2022, 01:17:38 AM

I was thinking it should have been on Meta but I realised its more useful hereas beginners who never coexisted with most of these changes are the ones that needs to be more aware of how they came to be, the opportunities available to them and restrictions too.

It is in Meta, isn't it?

Wow! It is in Meta, how did I get there or how did I come by that mix up! Here I was thinking something else!
Perhaps that's my thought on what board I feel suits more better as I think, most of these informations are more lacking with the newbies although, I can admit that there are a lot myself that I didn't know off and I've come to appreciate this thread for providing answers.

In the end, where ever it is, those seeking it have got chances to see it as threads on meta aren't easily flushed. Nice one still.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on July 23, 2022, 01:17:38 AM

I really hope this thread gets to stay up and gets regular historic updates such as those that answers some major questions by providing links to its resource on the forum.

I try myself to keep it up-to-date, but sometimes I know about update but I am not available at that moment. Later, I forgot to update OP.

If you or anyone knows of something is missing here, please ping me for update. Much appreciated! This way, you will also contribute as asset of a forum. Cheesy

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I was thinking it should have been on Meta but I realised its more useful hereas beginners who never coexisted with most of these changes are the ones that needs to be more aware of how they came to be, the opportunities available to them and restrictions too.

It is in Meta, isn't it?

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A periodic bump of this thread would be in order, as its clearly very useful to those having a difficulty in using the forum search button and might find the contents of this thread to come handy.

I do bump it regularly, but not too often. Perhaps, periodic bump should be 3 months, 6 months as I don't want to flood Meta board with my bump. In the past, people complained about it and I think it makes sense.

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Quote from: tranthidung on July 22, 2022, 08:55:58 PM

Quote from: Smartvirus on July 22, 2022, 01:13:55 PM

Remove Proxyban (evil fees) - email to get whitelisted for free

I wrote about it last year, there. Maybe I forgot to add it into OP. Thank you for your reminder.

Your post has some typos and I guess you typed it on phone?

Yeah, typos. Of course I do sometimes. Updated!

I really hope this thread gets to stay up and gets regular historic updates such as those that answers some major questions by providing links to its resource on the forum. I was thinking it should have been on Meta but I realised its more useful here, as beginners who never coexisted with most of these changes are the ones that needs to be more aware of how they came to be, the opportunities available to them and restrictions too. A periodic bump of this thread would be in order, as its clearly very useful to those having a difficulty in using the forum search button and might find the contents of this thread to come handy.

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Quote from: so98nn on July 22, 2022, 10:37:13 PM

I’m so impressed with “bitcoin button” tag which was launched back in 2012. It made me think why they did not added more symbols into the repository.

Thanks for your request, here you go with resources for weekend

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This is informative thread and it has all the answers that one need to get started with this forum. Appreciate all your efforts to create a thread like this. I can feel how you might have searched through whole forum to get the proper links and gather it together.

I’m so impressed with “bitcoin button” tag which was launched back in 2012. It made me think why they did not added more symbols into the repository.

Reading through different threads is like traveling back in time and see how they were making conversations with each other to develop the forum as we see it today..Great job!

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Quote from: Smartvirus on July 22, 2022, 01:13:55 PM

Remove Proxyban (evil fees) - email to get whitelisted for free

I wrote about it last year, there. Maybe I forgot to add it into OP. Thank you for your reminder.

Your post has some typos and I guess you typed it on phone?

Quote from: KingsDen on July 22, 2022, 04:05:01 PM

Tbh, this is a great thread. If not that you decided to bump this thread, I wouldn't have known that such a nice thread exists

Thank you!

I put efforts when I am doing something with relevant and meaningful objectives before I started. Sometimes, my works (topics) are great, sometimes they are not.

For good topics that have long-lasting value, I will pump them after a while some time.

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Quote from: tranthidung on July 22, 2022, 06:53:16 AM

Bump after a long time!

Tbh, this is a great thread. If not that you decided to bump this thread, I wouldn't have known that such a nice thread exists. Many good posts are indeed buried in btt, especially the ones whose authors are no longer available in the forum to bump.
I have read the history of the newbie jail, it wasn't as strict and harming I thought it was. Any newbie whose intention wasn't to spam could easily escape the jail.

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You've done quite a good job on this thread as to some extent, it sums up the most developments on the forum that one might wonder as to how it came to be and how come others tends to have some privileges than others.
I can say most of the threads to have futured is good enough for me but I feel there is one more that you could add if i may:

Remove Proxyban (evil fees) - email to get whitelisted for free

For a time I think this has been probably an issue for new users from joining up on the forum. You know, in an instance you think you've found this new forum that you could learn, contribute and possibly benefit but your hit with a proxyban (Evil fee). You know it takes a truly determined mind to go through from there and for others, they fade off. Especially when they've got no one to motivate them or help them push through with the fee. Even given the fact that, most of them might not have the know how on a way to work a bitcoin payment, never owns a sat and shits like that.

The whitelisting procedure very much comes through for these users, it's a new inception and I feel makes it to the historic changes of the forum if you ask me.

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