What's most important to the man at the time Satoshi Nakamoto was revealed to the world??!
"I want my free lunch. I'm gonna go with this guy!"
Such geniusness, to throw everyone off the trail, making them think he just wants free lunch out of this!
Topic: BitCom was intentional, p2p msg was desperation, Dorian is a genius mastermind (Read 3726 times)
March 09, 2014, 03:25:28 PM
March 09, 2014, 03:13:36 PM
March 09, 2014, 03:01:01 PM
also look at his face, he was having lots of fun
Because pfff == fun
March 09, 2014, 02:51:52 PM
I think it's obvious what happened. When he first posted the original paper, there were lots of small cryptocoin systems out there. If you read the message board you can see comments from other people working on other systems, but not with a blockchain.
Later on, bitcoin blows up and he decides anonymity would be better, and eventually leaves the project.
His brother said he suffered a stroke, and it may be that he's no longer as smart as he used to be. It's also possible he forgot the passwords to his crypographic keys. That might be one reason why he might not want to come forward - if he'd lost the keys he could be extremely embarrassed.
Later on, bitcoin blows up and he decides anonymity would be better, and eventually leaves the project.
His brother said he suffered a stroke, and it may be that he's no longer as smart as he used to be. It's also possible he forgot the passwords to his crypographic keys. That might be one reason why he might not want to come forward - if he'd lost the keys he could be extremely embarrassed.
Baseless speculation. Satoshi tried hard to be anonymous from the very beginning, he never gave any personal info despite people asking from early on and always used anonymizing techniques. Furthermore, thinking that a system like Bitcoin could come out of the blue from someone who never published before any work related to cryptography/electronic cash (and not a single blog post or mailing list mail) is beyond naive.
Right, no personal information - except his actual name.
There are two possibilities here. Dorian, or he's not. But if he's not, what's the plausible explanation for how Satoshi ended up using Dorian's birth name as his pseudonym? Just by picking random syllables? Originally, I assumed that's how he got it - but there are only a few Satoshi Nakamoto's in the world, and one of them just happens to be a software developer who used to work on classified projects for the government - it just seems incredibly unlikely.
That Dorian released bitcoin using a slight variation of his own name, not expecting it to become anything major and being taken aback when it did - seems more plausible. There's also the question of whether or not he had a stroke in the intervening years. His brother said he had one - but not when.
Satoshi Nakamoto is not an uncommon japanese name. The only "strong" evidence in Dorian's case is that his real name is in fact "Satoshi Nakamoto", if his real name was another one everybody would be laughing at this story. The second "strong" evidence is that Dorian "tacitdly admitted" his involvement in Bitcoin, which is clearly a bad joke and an offense to everyones intelligence. For Christ sake, Dorian is not even a cryptographer, he is a physicist, his case is just based on very circumstancial evidence and wild speculation - the fact the journalist didn't even make textual analysis based on the emails she exchanged with him is very telling.
You can bet Dorian != Bitcoin's Satoshi Nakamoto.
March 09, 2014, 02:51:47 PM
If this guy says he is not, as far as I am concerned he is not.
The only Satoshi I'll acknowledge is one who WANTS to be found and proves such with his PGP key or a signed transaction.
The only Satoshi I'll acknowledge is one who WANTS to be found and proves such with his PGP key or a signed transaction.
March 09, 2014, 01:53:57 PM
I think it's obvious what happened. When he first posted the original paper, there were lots of small cryptocoin systems out there. If you read the message board you can see comments from other people working on other systems, but not with a blockchain.
Later on, bitcoin blows up and he decides anonymity would be better, and eventually leaves the project.
His brother said he suffered a stroke, and it may be that he's no longer as smart as he used to be. It's also possible he forgot the passwords to his crypographic keys. That might be one reason why he might not want to come forward - if he'd lost the keys he could be extremely embarrassed.
Later on, bitcoin blows up and he decides anonymity would be better, and eventually leaves the project.
His brother said he suffered a stroke, and it may be that he's no longer as smart as he used to be. It's also possible he forgot the passwords to his crypographic keys. That might be one reason why he might not want to come forward - if he'd lost the keys he could be extremely embarrassed.
Baseless speculation. Satoshi tried hard to be anonymous from the very beginning, he never gave any personal info despite people asking from early on and always used anonymizing techniques. Furthermore, thinking that a system like Bitcoin could come out of the blue from someone who never published before any work related to cryptography/electronic cash (and not a single blog post or mailing list mail) is beyond naive.
Right, no personal information - except his actual name.
There are two possibilities here. Dorian, or he's not. But if he's not, what's the plausible explanation for how Satoshi ended up using Dorian's birth name as his pseudonym? Just by picking random syllables? Originally, I assumed that's how he got it - but there are only a few Satoshi Nakamoto's in the world, and one of them just happens to be a software developer who used to work on classified projects for the government - it just seems incredibly unlikely.
That Dorian released bitcoin using a slight variation of his own name, not expecting it to become anything major and being taken aback when it did - seems more plausible. There's also the question of whether or not he had a stroke in the intervening years. His brother said he had one - but not when.
March 09, 2014, 12:09:09 PM
I wish Satoshi had not used a real name. This was all avoidable by using something unique, or even common, but not a legal\birth name for anyone.
March 09, 2014, 11:21:24 AM
I think it's obvious what happened. When he first posted the original paper, there were lots of small cryptocoin systems out there. If you read the message board you can see comments from other people working on other systems, but not with a blockchain.
Later on, bitcoin blows up and he decides anonymity would be better, and eventually leaves the project.
His brother said he suffered a stroke, and it may be that he's no longer as smart as he used to be. It's also possible he forgot the passwords to his crypographic keys. That might be one reason why he might not want to come forward - if he'd lost the keys he could be extremely embarrassed.
Later on, bitcoin blows up and he decides anonymity would be better, and eventually leaves the project.
His brother said he suffered a stroke, and it may be that he's no longer as smart as he used to be. It's also possible he forgot the passwords to his crypographic keys. That might be one reason why he might not want to come forward - if he'd lost the keys he could be extremely embarrassed.
Baseless speculation. Satoshi tried hard to be anonymous from the very beginning, he never gave any personal info despite people asking from early on and always used anonymizing techniques. Furthermore, thinking that a system like Bitcoin could come out of the blue from someone who never published before any work related to cryptography/electronic cash (and not a single blog post or mailing list mail) is beyond naive.
March 09, 2014, 09:47:06 AM
I think it's obvious what happened. When he first posted the original paper, there were lots of small cryptocoin systems out there. If you read the message board you can see comments from other people working on other systems, but not with a blockchain.
Later on, bitcoin blows up and he decides anonymity would be better, and eventually leaves the project.
His brother said he suffered a stroke, and it may be that he's no longer as smart as he used to be. It's also possible he forgot the passwords to his crypographic keys. That might be one reason why he might not want to come forward - if he'd lost the keys he could be extremely embarrassed.
Later on, bitcoin blows up and he decides anonymity would be better, and eventually leaves the project.
His brother said he suffered a stroke, and it may be that he's no longer as smart as he used to be. It's also possible he forgot the passwords to his crypographic keys. That might be one reason why he might not want to come forward - if he'd lost the keys he could be extremely embarrassed.
March 09, 2014, 09:16:51 AM
Well personally, I think all the evidence points to Batman, but that's just me.
It was Superman. He fits the profile and wears glasses
March 09, 2014, 09:01:17 AM
Well personally, I think all the evidence points to Batman, but that's just me.
March 09, 2014, 08:59:44 AM
What if he stole the idea from when he was working for the CIA 
Wouldn't they had "silenced" him down by now?
March 09, 2014, 08:51:41 AM
What if he stole the idea from when he was working for the CIA
March 09, 2014, 04:13:25 AM
Maybe, at the beginning, He just did not expect it to be so successful and did not pay that attention to this detail,...after all, he was not using he's official name nor the one people used to call him.
Exactly. Writers would often use their mothers' maiden names as pseudonyms: Satoshi was something like that for Dorian: a name he abandoned in 1973, in 2009 probably nobody but (some) of the closest family knew what that middle initial "S" stands for - or that even there is a middle initial.
If the whitepaper was written by "satoshi" and not "satoshi nakamoto", maybe this would be a good argument--but narrowing it down to a given name + a surname? That's not much of a pseudonym. It seems more than coincidental that somebody who could possibly fit the profile of satoshi has the same name as his pseudonym, but I think you have to call it serendipity. We'll probably find out one way or another for sure about Dorian though as his life gets ripped apart over the next few weeks/months.
March 09, 2014, 03:56:51 AM
Not really, using your real name makes you easier to track down doofus
imagine the creator of bitcoin was screename barack obama, we all speculated who barack obama saying no way he's the POTUS who made bitcoin. (JUST LIKE WE NEVER EXPECTED SATOSHI TO BE NAMED SATOSHI IN REAL LIFE)
One day a journalist tracks down all the info and it leads to barack obama the POTUS, Barack obama is confronted and he's like lmao what is Bitcom , i never communicated with it, WTF i'm the POTUS how i have time to make BitCom.
Then he goes to his oval office, smirks at the window and laughs at us all. Yes it's a brilliant cover and a perfect war game a genius can come up with.
Imagine shit really hist the fan and the gov. wants to go hard against Bitcoin. That was a very real worry for Satoshi, that's why he used Tor and duly ignored ALL questions about his background, interests, location... From the very first minute. Just read his appeal to Wikipedia, etc... He was scared to death of Gov. intervention.
Well, three letter agencies are not journos: there will be no "interview" - there will be harsh interrogation techniques. In an extreme scenario (which you can bet Satoshi did not rule out) all possible targets will just be eliminated. Core devs, Hal, and every Satoshi Nakamoto in the world with a plausible background (computers basically) would be a target on the list.
If you want to be anonymous linking your work to your real name is just so dumb that is beyond discussion - if Gov. comes after your creation you WILL be a target, and therefore using/linking your real name to such a secret project is plain and simply an epic OPSEC failure which would lead to almost assured failure.
And please don't say stupid things like "at the beginning he didn't think Bitcoin would have succeed, it was just an academic exercise, so he used his real name"... That's just a demonstration you didn't think about this for more than 1 minute. Satoshi went to great lengths to be anonymous FROM MINUTE 1, never ever he said ANYTHING that could have been linked to his real identity (not a single hint about his background, interests, location), he ALWAYS used Tor and, furthermore, Bitcoin is a project which is clearly the final realization of YEARS of work.
IMO the most plausible candidate for being Satoshi is Nick Szabo. Their work is too similar and the fact Satoshi never mentioned Nick (because OPSEC) is too telling.
March 09, 2014, 03:48:35 AM
Any lengths to hide himself? Including using his real name?
in a way, couldn't that be the brilliance of it all ?
No. Not at all.
Satoshi followed OPSEC very strictly, from the very first moment - just a) read the crypto mailing list, b) his posts on this forum and c) the private mails exchanged with him leaked by other devs - there's no chance he would have broken one of the first OPSEC rules: compartimentalization. Never mix your real identity with your anonymous activity.
The "hiding in plain sight" story is simply retarded.
March 08, 2014, 06:34:29 PM
I'm starting to lean towards Dorian = Satoshi = media trolling genius mastermind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjkY__9C6f0&t=0m53s
Apparently he's saying something like he doesn't speak English -- only using russian and german to do it. I like this guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjkY__9C6f0&t=0m53s
Apparently he's saying something like he doesn't speak English -- only using russian and german to do it. I like this guy.
Yeah, he is saying "I do not speak English, I do not understand English"
Mostly in Russian, only "no" is in German.
Now I saw better quality video and got it. Earlier, I saw comments that he was speaking Japanese, but his japanese was rather "rusty", lol.
He definitely can communicate in English better than that - he is showing it earlier in this video and in another videos.
March 08, 2014, 06:25:01 PM
Maybe, at the beginning, He just did not expect it to be so successful and did not pay that attention to this detail,...after all, he was not using he's official name nor the one people used to call him.
Exactly. Writers would often use their mothers' maiden names as pseudonyms: Satoshi was something like that for Dorian: a name he abandoned in 1973, in 2009 probably nobody but (some) of the closest family knew what that middle initial "S" stands for - or that even there is a middle initial.
March 08, 2014, 06:18:52 PM
The whole thing is really weird
- Police confirms he was talking about bitcoin
police confirm SHE was talking about bitcoin and confirm he said he is not involved in THAT anymore. poor dorian thinks she was hounding him about a government project he done in 2001- Police confirms he was talking about bitcoin
- First public speak was a "free lunch" ( typical libertarian expression )
even capitalists, anarcists, priests, judges, police wouldnt turn down a free lunch- Real satoshi speaks out after so many time
the 5 years of other alleged people being satoshi did not involve camera crews and international media. the bitcoin creator does not read the forum drama anymore, he has moved on. and as such does not see the extent of the previous allegations. and definitely does not use it affecting people real lives. but this story has impacted innocent lives. so anyone with morals and views of a happier world would do something as simple as saying that dorian is not them.- what OP said
Then he is on the cover of a magazine, several reporters on his door, and sill don't knoe what bitcoin is??? Unlikely.
Then he is on the cover of a magazine, several reporters on his door, and sill don't knoe what bitcoin is??? Unlikely.
the OP is full of crud, and the magazine pictures were used AFTER the interviews. so how can having a picture taken after you have been accused, mean that you knew the topic beforehand
March 08, 2014, 05:26:29 PM
Dorian speak english , japanese , russian , deutsche. He is physicist. He has worked for the CIA. He is good programmer C++ and good knowledge in networking , threading, database. Tor project of course have no secrets for him maybe he had been working on. Because he has worked for CIA , he has created a fake profile for hide the true Satoshi. His outstanding talent for theatre is amazing.
Yes dorian is a genius ! Wait a minute, wait a minute, noooo i found IT'S THE MESSIAH who came down to the earth to save mankind !!
Yes dorian is a genius ! Wait a minute, wait a minute, noooo i found IT'S THE MESSIAH who came down to the earth to save mankind !!
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