No police report equals an inside job.
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FYI - I had some ACH (USD) transactions from the weekend pending when bitfloor went down that *did* complete this afternoon.
As Roman promised these transactions were not stopped/interrupted.
I would assume that had he been the culprit these monies would also have disappeared.
It's much more dangerous to steal USD than Bitcoins. Also, if it was Roman, how would he explain the missing USD? (Not that I'm saying Roman stole the coins, I'm just saying this reasoning is very flimsy.)As Roman promised these transactions were not stopped/interrupted.
I would assume that had he been the culprit these monies would also have disappeared.
Beat me to it. Leave the usd alone. Authorities understand that easily. Not that i am saying he did it but so far i have not read how the hacker got in....
bitfloor was hosted by Lindon, need i say more?
Yes, linode. But even they need a root passwd right? Thus a reset which happened to bitcoinica? Unless can read filesystem with no problems...
FYI - I had some ACH (USD) transactions from the weekend pending when bitfloor went down that *did* complete this afternoon.
As Roman promised these transactions were not stopped/interrupted.
I would assume that had he been the culprit these monies would also have disappeared.
It's much more dangerous to steal USD than Bitcoins. Also, if it was Roman, how would he explain the missing USD? (Not that I'm saying Roman stole the coins, I'm just saying this reasoning is very flimsy.)As Roman promised these transactions were not stopped/interrupted.
I would assume that had he been the culprit these monies would also have disappeared.
Beat me to it. Leave the usd alone. Authorities understand that easily. Not that i am saying he did it but so far i have not read how the hacker got in....
bitfloor was hosted by Lindon, need i say more?
FYI - I had some ACH (USD) transactions from the weekend pending when bitfloor went down that *did* complete this afternoon.
As Roman promised these transactions were not stopped/interrupted.
I would assume that had he been the culprit these monies would also have disappeared.
It's much more dangerous to steal USD than Bitcoins. Also, if it was Roman, how would he explain the missing USD? (Not that I'm saying Roman stole the coins, I'm just saying this reasoning is very flimsy.)As Roman promised these transactions were not stopped/interrupted.
I would assume that had he been the culprit these monies would also have disappeared.
Beat me to it. Leave the usd alone. Authorities understand that easily. Not that i am saying he did it but so far i have not read how the hacker got in....
bitfloor was hosted by Lindon, need i say more?
FYI - I had some ACH (USD) transactions from the weekend pending when bitfloor went down that *did* complete this afternoon.
As Roman promised these transactions were not stopped/interrupted.
I would assume that had he been the culprit these monies would also have disappeared.
It's much more dangerous to steal USD than Bitcoins. Also, if it was Roman, how would he explain the missing USD? (Not that I'm saying Roman stole the coins, I'm just saying this reasoning is very flimsy.)As Roman promised these transactions were not stopped/interrupted.
I would assume that had he been the culprit these monies would also have disappeared.
Beat me to it. Leave the usd alone. Authorities understand that easily. Not that i am saying he did it but so far i have not read how the hacker got in....
FYI - I had some ACH (USD) transactions from the weekend pending when bitfloor went down that *did* complete this afternoon.
As Roman promised these transactions were not stopped/interrupted.
I would assume that had he been the culprit these monies would also have disappeared.
It's much more dangerous to steal USD than Bitcoins. Also, if it was Roman, how would he explain the missing USD? (Not that I'm saying Roman stole the coins, I'm just saying this reasoning is very flimsy.)As Roman promised these transactions were not stopped/interrupted.
I would assume that had he been the culprit these monies would also have disappeared.
FYI - I had some ACH (USD) transactions from the weekend pending when bitfloor went down that *did* complete this afternoon.
As Roman promised these transactions were not stopped/interrupted.
I would assume that had he been the culprit these monies would also have disappeared.
As Roman promised these transactions were not stopped/interrupted.
I would assume that had he been the culprit these monies would also have disappeared.
Our pending ACHs also cleared today. Not insignificant sums.
For what it is worth we have done a lot of business with Roman and honestly I just don't see him pulling any kind of scam or fake hack.
FYI - I had some ACH (USD) transactions from the weekend pending when bitfloor went down that *did* complete this afternoon.
As Roman promised these transactions were not stopped/interrupted.
I would assume that had he been the culprit these monies would also have disappeared.
As Roman promised these transactions were not stopped/interrupted.
I would assume that had he been the culprit these monies would also have disappeared.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want your money to be free from the State, then you can't go running to the State when things don't go your way.
Quoting just because I think it is important.and as a life long libertarian, I'm going to go ahead and disagree with it. If a state needs to exist at all, it only purpose (edit: if anything else) should be to protect citizens against fraud and violence and resolve civil issues.
Exactly. I will point out there is a difference between peace officers and law enforcement officers.
http://freemanontheland.com/canadian-common-corps-of-peace-officers/
No police report equals an inside job.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want your money to be free from the State, then you can't go running to the State when things don't go your way.
Quoting just because I think it is important.and as a life long libertarian, I'm going to go ahead and disagree with it. If a state needs to exist at all, it only purpose (edit: if anything else) should be to protect citizens against fraud and violence and resolve civil issues.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want your money to be free from the State, then you can't go running to the State when things don't go your way.
Quoting just because I think it is important. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want your money to be free from the State, then you can't go running to the State when things don't go your way.
+1 
Is this going to be yet another theft which doesn't get reported to the police?
yeah go run to the daddy/god/state
"oooh look, the bitcoin kiddies need their diapers changed again"
Is this going to be yet another theft which doesn't get reported to the police?
"SAVE US, PO-PO!" Give me a break. The police aren't going to be able to do jack shit; Bitcoin was designed with anonymity and irreversibility as core features. And the police aren't going to care either, as Bitcoin is still seen as a fringe element. It's like how murders of homeless people and prostitutes largely go unprosecuted.ADDENDUM: You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want your money to be free from the State, then you can't go running to the State when things don't go your way.
Is this going to be yet another theft which doesn't get reported to the police?
Bet has not yet been approved.
Bitfloor, Inc. is a registered corporation, with the complete protection of limited liability. Roman could walk away from this. But I predict he will come through and make his account holders whole, anyway. Think I'm bonkers?
http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=635
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Update: Unfortunately they did not approve my statement. They said it was too vague, and I refused to let them change it. This is what I proposed:
"On or before Nov 1, 2012, Roman Shtylman will announce via bitcointalk.org or bitfloor.com that all of Bitfloor's accountholders have either been made whole (account balances as of the Sep 3 loss event fully funded and available), or voluntarily agreed to suitably satisfactory repayment arrangements."
http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=635
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Update: Unfortunately they did not approve my statement. They said it was too vague, and I refused to let them change it. This is what I proposed:
"On or before Nov 1, 2012, Roman Shtylman will announce via bitcointalk.org or bitfloor.com that all of Bitfloor's accountholders have either been made whole (account balances as of the Sep 3 loss event fully funded and available), or voluntarily agreed to suitably satisfactory repayment arrangements."
The operators of Bitfloor should have learned their lesson from the hacks of all the other Bitcoin exchanges. That they did not points to either gross negligence or criminal intent, neither of which should instill confidence in anyone.
I don't think you understand the meaning of gross negligence. I do not think that is the case here.Holding unencrypted wallet files on online computers in a business where you know you are likely to be a target is either gross negligence or it's a fake story to cover criminal intent.
Except that this machine was semi airgapped, so roman had no reason to believe it would be broken into. 
It was glossed over earlier, but it would appear that bitfloor had no TOS as part of their operating practices. At least seemingly not accessible from their website. TOS would usually be incorporated into a greater contract for use, etc. I am curious if users had some form of contract or use agreement with bitfloor before using the service.
If not, how could this affect bitfloor and their customers moving forward?
If not, how could this affect bitfloor and their customers moving forward?
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