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legendary
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April 26, 2013, 01:05:46 AM
#31
just an update on my return of funds: what had been a "processed" ACH withdrawal is now listed as "on hold". Given what they've publicly announced for a timeframe for delivery of their "check from the bank", I don't anticipate a refund until AT MINIMUM 5/1 (again... if ever)

Bitfloor has conducted business on a very professional level. You'll get your money.



sr. member
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April 25, 2013, 06:53:33 PM
#30
just an update on my return of funds: what had been a "processed" ACH withdrawal is now listed as "on hold". Given what they've publicly announced for a timeframe for delivery of their "check from the bank", I don't anticipate a refund until AT MINIMUM 5/1 (again... if ever)
sr. member
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April 19, 2013, 09:43:36 PM
#29
Whatever, man - you're the one who brought it up, and when I made a counterpoint with a logic-based view, instead of engaging in anything resembling rational debate, you just threw a fit, took your marbles, and went home.

Related to topic: Still no ACH from Bitfloor pending at my bank. (Usually I see a "pending" transaction for ACH deposits, even when they're not actually going to settle the same day.) My bank processes ACH on Saturdays, so we'll see tomorrow if it shows up.
legendary
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April 19, 2013, 03:25:19 PM
#28

You think wrong. They're not that stupid. Maybe you are, but they aren't.

Wow. That got unnecessarily confrontational really fast. Did you want to discuss the points I made, or are you just going to leave your ad hominem sitting there without picking it up?


I'm going to leave it at ad hominem.

Got it. Unwilling/unable to defend your position. Good to know.

Unwilling to state the obvious to someone who can't see the obvious. Would you waste time explaining to someone that didn't think there was an internet that indeed such a thing existed?

If you can't see that a bank might be concerned about an alt-currency with a billion dollar market cap, you're an idiot.
sr. member
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April 19, 2013, 12:20:56 PM
#27

You think wrong. They're not that stupid. Maybe you are, but they aren't.

Wow. That got unnecessarily confrontational really fast. Did you want to discuss the points I made, or are you just going to leave your ad hominem sitting there without picking it up?


I'm going to leave it at ad hominem.

Got it. Unwilling/unable to defend your position. Good to know.
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1003
April 19, 2013, 10:51:59 AM
#26

You think wrong. They're not that stupid. Maybe you are, but they aren't.

Wow. That got unnecessarily confrontational really fast. Did you want to discuss the points I made, or are you just going to leave your ad hominem sitting there without picking it up?


I'm going to leave it at ad hominem.
sr. member
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April 19, 2013, 09:50:11 AM
#25
No, not really. At least, not in the way you think they are. I think they're amused and paying attention, but they're in no way threatened by BTC.
You think wrong. They're not that stupid. Maybe you are, but they aren't.

Wow. That got unnecessarily confrontational really fast. Did you want to discuss the points I made, or are you just going to leave your ad hominem sitting there without picking it up?

Now, to address the topic: Still waiting for ACH transfer. Bitfloor now shows my USD withdrawl request as completed ($0 available, $0 on hold) but it hasn't shown up in my pending banking transactions.
legendary
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April 19, 2013, 04:27:41 AM
#24

No, not really. At least, not in the way you think they are. I think they're amused and paying attention, but they're in no way threatened by BTC.

You think wrong. They're not that stupid. Maybe you are, but they aren't.
legendary
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April 18, 2013, 03:59:27 PM
#23
Banks do not like a lot of ACH in / out. It does look like money laundering.


...and they don't want competition.
sr. member
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April 18, 2013, 03:56:06 PM
#22
It might prove to be helpful- the fewer users freaking out and clicking "cancel cancel cancel" or "buy buy buy" a million times per second might prove to be more then a benefit for the API traders. No harm in it being a niche organisation for only pros.

it would help liquidity, though... and that's pretty important for API traders (well, bot traders, anyway, but I assume most API traders are using automated trading scripts). Without new blood coming in buying or selling, the market will evaporate slowly to the exchange fees.
legendary
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April 18, 2013, 03:36:43 PM
#21

If anyone is looking for a new place to trade, please consider CampBX.  We will love to have you on our platform.

- Keyur



I just opened an account and Dwolla'd $1000 into it. I will update with my trading experience.

Right off the bat, I notice that there's no trade volume information, and the order book (depth table) has to be refreshed *manually* using the browser.

-- FK

From the looks of it, I believe they're aiming for the API traders. Looks fine to me, as I'm an API trader myself, and I'm moving cash to them next week to try them out as well... but you're right, without browser based trades being easier, they're going to very severely restrict their client base - it's just not browser-friendly.

It might prove to be helpful- the fewer users freaking out and clicking "cancel cancel cancel" or "buy buy buy" a million times per second might prove to be more then a benefit for the API traders. No harm in it being a niche organisation for only pros.
sr. member
Activity: 356
Merit: 255
April 18, 2013, 02:30:11 PM
#20

If anyone is looking for a new place to trade, please consider CampBX.  We will love to have you on our platform.

- Keyur



I just opened an account and Dwolla'd $1000 into it. I will update with my trading experience.

Right off the bat, I notice that there's no trade volume information, and the order book (depth table) has to be refreshed *manually* using the browser.

-- FK

From the looks of it, I believe they're aiming for the API traders. Looks fine to me, as I'm an API trader myself, and I'm moving cash to them next week to try them out as well... but you're right, without browser based trades being easier, they're going to very severely restrict their client base - it's just not browser-friendly.
jr. member
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Merit: 10
April 18, 2013, 01:22:06 PM
#19

If anyone is looking for a new place to trade, please consider CampBX.  We will love to have you on our platform.

- Keyur



I just opened an account and Dwolla'd $1000 into it. I will update with my trading experience.

Right off the bat, I notice that there's no trade volume information, and the order book (depth table) has to be refreshed *manually* using the browser.

-- FK
hero member
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April 18, 2013, 10:18:26 AM
#18
Banks do not like a lot of ACH in / out. It does look like money laundering.
legendary
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April 18, 2013, 10:15:46 AM
#17

If anyone is looking for a new place to trade, please consider CampBX.  We will love to have you on our platform.

- Keyur
Can you add some way of quickly depositing cash into a trading account?

LocalTill was great because it was inexpensive and didn't involve Moneygram, but even if you could just get your platform added to the list of destinations BitInstant supports that would be a significant improvement.
sr. member
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April 18, 2013, 10:09:06 AM
#16

I doubt Bank of America gives a fuck about Bitcoin. It's more likely the account was closed either because Bitfloor wasn't solvent or AML requirements became a headache. What Bitcoin needs is a strong financial player willing to build and support a professional infrastructure so people can buy bitcoins fast, safe and easy.

Um, no, banks absolutely DO give a fuck about bitcoin.

No, not really. At least, not in the way you think they are. I think they're amused and paying attention, but they're in no way threatened by BTC. It's not like BTC is competition to a bank at all until the idea that ALL currencies might some day be replaced by crypto-currencies - but even then, it's going to require some level of trust for depositors, since the idea of maintaining private keys and the relative inconvenience of BTC compared to the current USD system is confusing at best to the average consumer, who better to trust than your bank to handle the complexity of your bitcoins in the future?

Banks make money by lending cash against deposits. They don't care if deposits are in USD, seashells, grains of salt, or blind hookers, as long as they can lend out more than they take in (I think I might be the first person to come up with the idea of timesharing out blind hookers as a unit of currency...). They take deposits, lend it back out several times over, and pocket the interest. BTC is not a replacement for banking, it's just another vehicle to store value - and banks are really, really, really good at multiplying stored value.

Put it into another perspective: the entire market value of BTC as expressed in USD is about $1 billion right now. That's a large number, sure - but the number of deposits just insured by the US FDIC (not to mention other global bank systems) is $9,200 billion. And the amount of cash loaned back out on that is staggeringly higher. As in hundreds of trillions of dollars globally. BTC is a VERY small player in the "value storage and lending" business, and it's in no way a threat to the business models of traditional banks. (I haven't done a thorough analysis on investment banking, but I'm quite confident that adding another currency to the FOREX mix isn't going to revolutionize the global economy... it'll just make another payment method available, which will increase the number of transactions, which will increase arbitrage opportunities, and they make even more money.)

In time, banks will be looking at BTC as a potential source of revenue, not as something that needs to be quashed. It's a fallacy to believe that since the stated purpose of BTC is to be decentralized, that centralized entities will be unable to use it to their advantage. They're smarter than you think.
full member
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April 18, 2013, 09:56:22 AM
#15

If anyone is looking for a new place to trade, please consider CampBX.  We will love to have you on our platform.

- Keyur


I like that it's local to me so if I need to physically go grab a tie I can Smiley
legendary
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April 18, 2013, 09:43:34 AM
#14

I doubt Bank of America gives a fuck about Bitcoin. It's more likely the account was closed either because Bitfloor wasn't solvent or AML requirements became a headache. What Bitcoin needs is a strong financial player willing to build and support a professional infrastructure so people can buy bitcoins fast, safe and easy.

Um, no, banks absolutely DO give a fuck about bitcoin.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
April 18, 2013, 07:20:48 AM
#13

If anyone is looking for a new place to trade, please consider CampBX.  We will love to have you on our platform.

- Keyur

https://campbx.com/faq.php#fund-transfers
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Wire Transfers (including International):

Unfortunately wire transfer deposits are temporarily unavailable.
sr. member
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April 18, 2013, 06:24:12 AM
#12

If anyone is looking for a new place to trade, please consider CampBX.  We will love to have you on our platform.

- Keyur

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