Topic: BitForce SC - Pre order delay - page 4. (Read 9561 times)
I just with MTGOX would let me convert already... I've been trying to get a big market order in for the past 4 hours... Yeah, they suspended trading and its on the anniversary of the big hackattack. I hope that's all just coincidence.
That, and it's rewarding people who have been hoarding their coins, who are not exactly the people who have been supporting the currency as a method of payment (treating it more like a speculative investment). I like the idea of supporting Bit-pay, but otherwise this BTC only payment stipulation is awkward and arguably unfair.
Bitcoiners complaining about having to buy something with BTC is almost as absurd as saying people who have BTC to spend aren't supporting the currency.
@BFL
Regarding BTC being the only initial payment option.
You should recognize a significant number of existing customers that have funds tied up in either immediately received Singles or Singles yet to have arrived.
Can you imagine how this segment of your current customer base would feel if they are forced to the end of the line?
That, and it's rewarding people who have been hoarding their coins, who are not exactly the people who have been supporting the currency as a method of payment (treating it more like a speculative investment). I like the idea of supporting Bit-pay, but otherwise this BTC only payment stipulation is awkward and arguably unfair.
@BFL
Regarding BTC being the only initial payment option.
You should recognize a significant number of existing customers that have funds tied up in either immediately received Singles or Singles yet to have arrived.
Can you imagine how this segment of your current customer base would feel if they are forced to the end of the line?
This is poor, even for BFL...
Need to give people a few days (or more) notice that pre-orders are coming. NOTHING posted on your website?!?
Come on guys - sharpen up!
Yeah, I'm really unimpressed with this half effort on BFL's part to recognize stake holders and prioritize accordingly. Obviously, trade-in offer isn't the only thing to be considered. It's the timely (in)ability for customers to execute the trade-in offer if they are going to use a first-come-first-serve strategy.
I say, take preorders for 1-2 months, produce quantity and then deliver in bulk.
If I feel I'm being put at the end of the line, while both having Singles and waiting on Singles, I'm most certainly dumping this BFL shit.
@BFL
Regarding BTC being the only initial payment option.
You should recognize a significant number of existing customers that have funds tied up in either immediately received Singles or Singles yet to have arrived.
Can you imagine how this segment of your current customer base would feel if they are forced to the end of the line?
This is poor, even for BFL...
Need to give people a few days (or more) notice that pre-orders are coming. NOTHING posted on your website?!?
Come on guys - sharpen up!
@BFL
Regarding BTC being the only initial payment option.
You should recognize a significant number of existing customers that have funds tied up in either immediately received Singles or Singles yet to have arrived.
Can you imagine how this segment of your current customer base would feel if they are forced to the end of the line?
It would also be nice to know if there will be shipping charges for any of the units so people can get a more exact idea of how many BTC they need to purchase.
Well fuck me, I'm out of coins, and MtGox is acting funny normal.
FTFY
Well fuck me, I'm out of coins, and MtGox is acting funny.
Sounds good. I especially like the part where they don't take anyones money so far in advance.
I wish they'd take my money now so I could go on with my Saturday.
Sounds good. I especially like the part where they don't take anyones money so far in advance.
I wish they'd take my money now so I could go on with my Saturday.
sub for boring nights
How about you don't take anyone's money until you actually have a product to ship?
Then you can limit the number per order with like a 72hr wait between orders(if anyone wants to make multiple orders, fine, stagger them)
Kind of like we already see when any new "hot" device hits the shelves.
Then you can limit the number per order with like a 72hr wait between orders(if anyone wants to make multiple orders, fine, stagger them)
Kind of like we already see when any new "hot" device hits the shelves.
Sounds good. I especially like the part where they don't take anyones money so far in advance.
Yet another BFL thread I need to watch...
I have said the same thing in other thread. Greed is what drive the society to corruption, ... let alone bitcoin.
The bitcoin protocol uses greed by channeling it into a feedback loop that increases security. You can't change human nature, but you can direct it.
People are seriously thinking of sending funds through an irreversible method to people who won't even give their names?
Now I understand how it is that you can train sheep to line up and wait to be sheared.
There are only 2 scenarios here.
1. BFL is able to deliver a functional product in sufficient volumes to recover the cost of design and masks and the network hashrate quickly hits several hundred TH/s.
- existing miners lose, current BFL buyers lose, future BFL buyers lose, BFL wins
or
2. Their wafer builds don't work, require expensive respins, don't yield well, don't sort with any decent clock rates, etc.
- existing miners continue on, anyone that touches BFL loses
Now I understand how it is that you can train sheep to line up and wait to be sheared.
There are only 2 scenarios here.
1. BFL is able to deliver a functional product in sufficient volumes to recover the cost of design and masks and the network hashrate quickly hits several hundred TH/s.
- existing miners lose, current BFL buyers lose, future BFL buyers lose, BFL wins
or
2. Their wafer builds don't work, require expensive respins, don't yield well, don't sort with any decent clock rates, etc.
- existing miners continue on, anyone that touches BFL loses
I have said the same thing in other thread. Greed is what drive the society to corruption, ... let alone bitcoin.
Honestly, there needs to be a 10% preorder price, at MAXIMUM.
First time around on first genereation FPGA hardware, I can understand 100% up front. You're taking a chance on a company that wasn't tested, with expected numbers falling short of what the first product was capable of.
With the mini-rig, proven faster than what was speculated, and coming in under your power envelope, good job. Pat on the back to you BFL.
You already have venture capitol, and strong sales with you the Single & Mini-rig, there's no reason for the full price up front for your BFL SC Products before they ship.
First time around on first genereation FPGA hardware, I can understand 100% up front. You're taking a chance on a company that wasn't tested, with expected numbers falling short of what the first product was capable of.
With the mini-rig, proven faster than what was speculated, and coming in under your power envelope, good job. Pat on the back to you BFL.
You already have venture capitol, and strong sales with you the Single & Mini-rig, there's no reason for the full price up front for your BFL SC Products before they ship.
People will still order 1000s of products regardless of this. They are only accepting BTC and 3 months before an 'estimated' delivery date.
Open your eyes people...
Honestly, there needs to be a 10% preorder price, at MAXIMUM.
First time around on first genereation FPGA hardware, I can understand 100% up front. You're taking a chance on a company that wasn't tested, with expected numbers falling short of what the first product was capable of.
With the mini-rig, proven faster than what was speculated, and coming in under your power envelope, good job. Pat on the back to you BFL.
You already have venture capitol, and strong sales with you the Single & Mini-rig, there's no reason for the full price up front for your BFL SC Products before they ship.
First time around on first genereation FPGA hardware, I can understand 100% up front. You're taking a chance on a company that wasn't tested, with expected numbers falling short of what the first product was capable of.
With the mini-rig, proven faster than what was speculated, and coming in under your power envelope, good job. Pat on the back to you BFL.
You already have venture capitol, and strong sales with you the Single & Mini-rig, there's no reason for the full price up front for your BFL SC Products before they ship.
All the logic and reason in the world has never won an argument with greed.
tell that to the bible thumpers on sunday.
i like this idea ALOT better...
pre-orders should be a "Deposit" feature of say.... 25%-50% of the actual price... and when your product is ready to Ship, then you must pay the other 50%-75% of the fee.
it just doesnt make sense this time around with the shipping problems & delays you've had to dump 100% on a 3 month Pre-Order wait as is....
and the lottery shipping is Terrible... actually worst idea i've heard for shipping out Thousand+ dollar pre-order items that people have reserved in FULL.
That's the ideal situation, but given that people are crawling over each other to be first in line, I don't see why they would.
i dont even understand it tbh, i've never paid in full for something, and get it 3-5 months later...
Where do they do that at?.... never heard of that business practice... although, i'll be the first to jump in that line... lol...
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