Well don't travel to other EU countries, eg. the Netherlands. Which is very quick extraditing people to the US, even their own citizens, under mere suspicion of a crime.
Topic: [BitFunder] Asset Exchange Marketplace + Rewritable Options Trading - page 22. (Read 129490 times)
October 09, 2013, 05:37:11 AM
Well don't travel to other EU countries, eg. the Netherlands. Which is very quick extraditing people to the US, even their own citizens, under mere suspicion of a crime.
October 09, 2013, 03:59:55 AM
Exchanging directly held virtual shares between each other, is illegal now?
I am on your side, but it sounds like they want to make everything illegal.
Too many
ftfy
October 09, 2013, 03:58:26 AM
Exchanging directly held virtual shares between each other, is illegal now?
I am on your side, but it sounds like they want to make everything illegal.
Too many busybodies in Government.
October 09, 2013, 03:55:45 AM
Relax poeple. I can bet that there will be many proxy services for US citizens. It's just a matter of time.
Bitfunder through weexchange will be demanding citizenship papers and such. Proxies will not suffice.
Theres more than one type of proxy service, no?
Do you mean verified people acting on behalf of American shareholders?
The only issue I see being Bitfunder discovering this and claiming all the shares. I am sure the new terms of service will prohibit the proxy of shares with penalty of confiscation.
Thats what came to mind, yes.
As much as i welcome due diligence from Bitfunder, or any other type of trading exchange, what private agreements exist between two third parties cannot be reasonably pursued by an exchange, or the all pervading SEC, my authoritative body, or anybody.
Exchanging directly held virtual shares between each other, is illegal now?
October 09, 2013, 03:52:43 AM
Just a question for TAT.* investments. Is he american? Will he have to disband his assets?
October 09, 2013, 03:37:48 AM
for non-US citizens, will we be able to transfer shares to other accounts on Bitfunder without being 'vierified' on WeExchange before Nov 1?
October 09, 2013, 03:36:13 AM
Relax poeple. I can bet that there will be many proxy services for US citizens. It's just a matter of time.
Bitfunder through weexchange will be demanding citizenship papers and such. Proxies will not suffice.
Theres more than one type of proxy service, no?
Do you mean verified people acting on behalf of American shareholders?
The only issue I see being Bitfunder discovering this and claiming all the shares. I am sure the new terms of service will prohibit the proxy of shares with penalty of confiscation.
Yeah, this might be more trouble than it's worth. I'm confident Ken will come up with a solution, be may have to go to private/direct shares as a short term fix.
October 09, 2013, 03:28:21 AM
Relax poeple. I can bet that there will be many proxy services for US citizens. It's just a matter of time.
Bitfunder through weexchange will be demanding citizenship papers and such. Proxies will not suffice.
Theres more than one type of proxy service, no?
Do you mean verified people acting on behalf of American shareholders?
The only issue I see being Bitfunder discovering this and claiming all the shares. I am sure the new terms of service will prohibit the proxy of shares with penalty of confiscation.
October 09, 2013, 03:26:27 AM
Relax poeple. I can bet that there will be many proxy services for US citizens. It's just a matter of time.
Bitfunder through weexchange will be demanding citizenship papers and such. Proxies will not suffice.
Theres more than one type of proxy service, no?
October 09, 2013, 03:24:27 AM
So with the new crowdfunding laws coming into effect, will Bitfunder resume US operations?
If not I am certain a competitor will rise and take this space.
If not I am certain a competitor will rise and take this space.
October 09, 2013, 03:23:49 AM
Relax poeple. I can bet that there will be many proxy services for US citizens. It's just a matter of time.
Bitfunder through weexchange will be demanding citizenship papers and such. Proxies will not suffice.
October 09, 2013, 03:16:59 AM
Relax poeple. I can bet that there will be many proxy services for US citizens. It's just a matter of time.
October 09, 2013, 03:04:46 AM
And I find that there is no option to upload my identity card, that is, I believe the most important identification in most country, should be worth 50 points.
My guess is that it is an Americanism, as they do not have identity cards, but driver licenses has been providing that somewhat.Thats irony right? How their identity requirements are very much influenced by the American way yet the entire point is to not allow American people.
October 09, 2013, 02:13:01 AM
WTF... Drive license？50 points？ Why don't you just say a person without a drive license can get the F out?
October 09, 2013, 01:52:40 AM
Can you please lower the points required to gain "verified" status on WeExchange?
Not that I don't wish to comply, but I have lost some documents required like my birth certificate, I also don't have a driver license, I don't own a car.
And I find that there is no option to upload my identity card, that is, I believe the most important identification in most country, should be worth 50 points.
The best I could get is 90 points(passport+credit card+utility bill), sadly, I may have to say bye to Bitfunder forever.
Not that I don't wish to comply, but I have lost some documents required like my birth certificate, I also don't have a driver license, I don't own a car.
And I find that there is no option to upload my identity card, that is, I believe the most important identification in most country, should be worth 50 points.
The best I could get is 90 points(passport+credit card+utility bill), sadly, I may have to say bye to Bitfunder forever.
October 09, 2013, 12:33:25 AM
I'm aware of that, again, bitcoin will make the process of proving that impossible, using an anonymous way of communication and a mixer.
The burden of proof lies with the exchange, not the SEC. The exchange (or asset issuer) would have to prove they take measures against selling to US customers, directly or through a proxy. What you are suggesting would make it impossible for them to prove that. That may or may not get the exchange of the hook, it sure as hell wont get you off the hook. But perhaps you have a better legal team than bitfunder and dont mind taking on the SEC ?
Wow, puppet giving lessons on burden of proof. Nice.
October 08, 2013, 10:51:47 PM
Getting error 520 and 502s, you guys go sell faster seeing I can't!
October 08, 2013, 10:38:44 PM
This won't be good.
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[23:36] so the important question. were fees payed for "non executed orders"?
[23:36] yes
[23:36] Yes
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October 08, 2013, 10:34:29 PM
Quote from: https://bitfunder.com/market
Maintenance in progress. Thank you for your patience.
Ok its back up.
EDIT: grammar and the site was only down for a few minutes, but I suggest that Bitfunder being down for any amount of time at the moment is very unprofessional.
Yea I posted copies of the trades in another thread, annoying as I thought I was selling for a profit. Definitely some fees to be reversed.
October 08, 2013, 10:33:09 PM
Quote from: https://bitfunder.com/market
Maintenance in progress. Thank you for your patience.
Ok its back up.
EDIT: grammar and the site was only down for a few minutes, but I suggest that Bitfunder being down for any amount of time at the moment is very unprofessional.
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