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I made this account because I didn't see anyone (at that point) reporting having as many btc stuck as I do. Ukyo currently owe me more than 100btc.

There are others that lost way more. I wonder why the thread with the list of claims doesnt contain the list anymore...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aja0Sx1iSRWqdHVMOVI2NlE1azQzbHNGdlUzVmJVVmc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
legendary
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I made this account because I didn't see anyone (at that point) reporting having as many btc stuck as I do. Ukyo currently owe me more than 100btc.

There are others that lost way more. I wonder why the thread with the list of claims doesnt contain the list anymore...
hero member
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How much longer are people going to give this, before they write off whats been taken, and pursue what ever it is they feel should happen?

Jon. How much more trust and patience do we give you? Cant be indefinate.


Yes, we need more info, Jon.
legendary
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How much longer are people going to give this, before they write off whats been taken, and pursue what ever it is they feel should happen?

Jon. How much more trust and patience do we give you? Cant be indefinate.
legendary
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You must be some sort of shrill account.  Did you lose all a lot of bitcoin through the WeExchange scam, and then come to this forum to make a new account, just posting how you believe Ukyo's BS?  You are either a severe idiot, or you are Ukyo, or you are being paid by Ukyo. Which one is it? I just can't fathom that anyone could be this happy and trusting when having their money stolen.

I mean anyone reading this: just go through WeexUser's post history.  Why would anyone of their own violation lose funds to WeExchange and then feel such resolve to post upwards of 70+ messages supporting the laughably thin premise that something legitimate happened to all of our deposits, instead of the much more likely answer: that we have been ripped off.
I made this account because I didn't see anyone (at that point) reporting having as many btc stuck as I do. Ukyo currently owe me more than 100btc.
I am obviously following this situation very close here on the forums and especially on IRC, to continuously try to detect any inconsistencies made by Jon or Danny that could prove this to be a scam.
Having followed this situation so close, I really think it is unlikely that Jon is a scammer.

Note that unlike you and some other people here who just spread unnecessary FUD, I try to post the provable facts of this situation. Every time I post something we can't prove at the moment, I make that fact clear by using words like "allegedly", "Ukyo said", quotes, etc. I also try to make it clear if I am speculating on what might have happened.


Anyways, here is the latest news from IRC #bitfunder today:
Ukyo had allegedly encountered problems while trying to update his custom bitcoind client as a quick fix the bad block issue.
He says that he will probably continue working on a new solution that is independent of the bitcoind version. A solution that wasn't possible when the system was originally implemented due to functionality added in later versions of bitcoind.(provable)

Yup, everything about you reeks of bullshit. I'm guessing you are either a sockpuppet of Jon (ukyo) or one of his buddies. I'm 100% positive you're enjoying using other people's stolen funds.

Don't bother replying. You're on my ignore list now.

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You must be some sort of shrill account.  Did you lose all a lot of bitcoin through the WeExchange scam, and then come to this forum to make a new account, just posting how you believe Ukyo's BS?  You are either a severe idiot, or you are Ukyo, or you are being paid by Ukyo. Which one is it? I just can't fathom that anyone could be this happy and trusting when having their money stolen.

I mean anyone reading this: just go through WeexUser's post history.  Why would anyone of their own violation lose funds to WeExchange and then feel such resolve to post upwards of 70+ messages supporting the laughably thin premise that something legitimate happened to all of our deposits, instead of the much more likely answer: that we have been ripped off.
I made this account because I didn't see anyone (at that point) reporting having as many btc stuck as I do. Ukyo currently owe me more than 100btc.
I am obviously following this situation very close here on the forums and especially on IRC, to continuously try to detect any inconsistencies made by Jon or Danny that could prove this to be a scam.
Having followed this situation so close, I really think it is unlikely that Jon is a scammer.

Note that unlike you and some other people here who just spread unnecessary FUD, I try to post the provable facts of this situation. Every time I post something we can't prove at the moment, I make that fact clear by using words like "allegedly", "Ukyo said", quotes, etc. I also try to make it clear if I am speculating on what might have happened.


Anyways, here is the latest news from IRC #bitfunder today:
Ukyo had allegedly encountered problems while trying to update his custom bitcoind client as a quick fix the bad block issue.
He says that he will probably continue working on a new solution that is independent of the bitcoind version. A solution that wasn't possible when the system was originally implemented due to functionality added in later versions of bitcoind.(provable)
hero member
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Ukyo is allegedly not allowed to say what happened to the coins yet, due to them being involved in some legal dispute.
Do you have a source for this claim?
Danny has stated it would be illegal to speak about the bitfunder situation under US law. Don't think there has been any more info.
sr. member
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Ukyo is allegedly not allowed to say what happened to the coins yet, due to them being involved in some legal dispute.
Do you have a source for this claim?
legendary
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So what happened to the coins Ukyo still owes to everyone here?!

Ukyo is allegedly not allowed to say what happened to the coins yet, due to them being involved in some legal dispute.
He has created claim portals where people can claim their coins from weex(6.175% available to users) and their AM shares (100% available to users).
... I will be working on the Ukyo.Loan portal while still working towards completing solutions to enable more payment dispersion.
-Ukyo

You must be some sort of shrill account.  Did you lose all a lot of bitcoin through the WeExchange scam, and then come to this forum to make a new account, just posting how you believe Ukyo's BS?  You are either a severe idiot, or you are Ukyo, or you are being paid by Ukyo. Which one is it? I just can't fathom that anyone could be this happy and trusting when having their money stolen.


I mean anyone reading this: just go through WeexUser's post history.  Why would anyone of their own violation lose funds to WeExchange and then feel such resolve to post upwards of 70+ messages supporting the laughably thin premise that something legitimate happened to all of our deposits, instead of the much more likely answer: that we have been ripped off.
legendary
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So what happened to the coins Ukyo still owes to everyone here?!

Yup. The scam is almost over.  Ukyo stole millions dollars worth of BTC.  Has lied about what happened (first it was purely technical error now the coins are just gone for 'legal reasons' that of course 'he can't talk about').  Has not given any explanation for what happened.  Most people have given up hope of getting their coins back, are in denial, or aren't doing anything to get their money back.

member
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So what happened to the coins Ukyo still owes to everyone here?!

Ukyo is allegedly not allowed to say what happened to the coins yet, due to them being involved in some legal dispute.
He has created claim portals where people can claim their coins from weex(6.175% available to users) and their AM shares (100% available to users).
... I will be working on the Ukyo.Loan portal while still working towards completing solutions to enable more payment dispersion.
-Ukyo
newbie
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So what happened to the coins Ukyo still owes to everyone here?!
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To the guy who posted the image "You came to the wrong universe" -- LOL, that's pretty good!

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legendary
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How dare you count MY bitcoins as stolen? They aren't stolen until *I* say they are stolen. Count your own damn bitcoins.

Actually, the status of your bitcoins is objective, but unknown. Something isn't stolen until you say it is, it's stolen when someone takes it without authority to do so or fails to return them, which is the case here. Whether or not you know or want to believe it is stolen is immaterial.

I believe that they are stolen, but I can't know for sure. However, the coins have one objective status (lost, stolen, temporarily unavailable due to incompetence). Nothing that you or I say or think about them will change that status until Ukyo does something with them, unless he sold/gambled/lost them, in which case their status is permanent.
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and thousands of bitcoins owed

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Amazing that people aren't doing anything, even though he likely stole millions of dollars.

How dare you count MY bitcoins as stolen? They aren't stolen until *I* say they are stolen. Count your own damn bitcoins.

Again, you and some others have made YOUR OWN decision that Ukyo stole the coins. I am more patient, I have the luxury of time BECAUSE I followed the public (and obvious to anyone that thinks for a few minutes about what and where they are investing) advice not to risk more than I can afford to lose. Time will tell ME if my bitcoins were stolen, but some people here will present "facts" their way, by including everyone's coins in their determination.

In my god-damned AWESOME universe, it's possible for someone to make a mistake, someone else to give him the benefit of the doubt, and for him to redeem himself. If he did something illegal or stupid, in my universe he'd go to jail or get the chance to fix things.

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+1

I agree with this.
legendary
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Still no news from ukyo?

Nope... the only thing i keep getting told is that he seems to have a plan and that this plan seems to be the best chance to get the bitcoins back. I dont have a clue what plan that might be but i think there is not much other to do than letting ukyo try this plan. Though it would be helpful to know a timeframe for that plan.
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Still no news from ukyo?
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In my god-damned AWESOME universe...
In your awful SHITTY universe, you'll ...

http://i.imgur.com/dqKYrWC.jpg
hero member
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and thousands of bitcoins owed

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Amazing that people aren't doing anything, even though he likely stole millions of dollars.

How dare you count MY bitcoins as stolen? They aren't stolen until *I* say they are stolen. Count your own damn bitcoins.

Again, you and some others have made YOUR OWN decision that Ukyo stole the coins. I am more patient, I have the luxury of time BECAUSE I followed the public (and obvious to anyone that thinks for a few minutes about what and where they are investing) advice not to risk more than I can afford to lose. Time will tell ME if my bitcoins were stolen, but some people here will present "facts" their way, by including everyone's coins in their determination.

In my god-damned AWESOME universe, it's possible for someone to make a mistake, someone else to give him the benefit of the doubt, and for him to redeem himself. If he did something illegal or stupid, in my universe he'd go to jail or get the chance to fix things.

In your awful SHITTY universe, you'll threaten and retaliate and ruin any chances you have of getting your money back. Some fart-for-brains is going to go too far. If Ukyo did something stupid like gamble people's money, he won't go to jail, he'll be threatened with baseball bats and probably never recover and pay anyone anything else back.

Also, karma is an unstoppable bitch, be warned (if that's all you understand).

Just because you don't care about your 5 satoshis doesn't make this less of a scam. In your world idiots get taken for a ride by people who want their money.

In the real world when someone is holding 5 million usd worth of customer funds then loses it all, there are serious consequences.

I don't think it's possible that ukyo simply made a mistake. Maybe many mistakes but there is too much bullshit to be a single mistake.

By all means keep waiting for your coins which may or may not return. But relying on the perpetrated scammer as your only hope is not exactly the smartest idea imo.
newbie
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and thousands of bitcoins owed

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Amazing that people aren't doing anything, even though he likely stole millions of dollars.

How dare you count MY bitcoins as stolen? They aren't stolen until *I* say they are stolen. Count your own damn bitcoins.

Again, you and some others have made YOUR OWN decision that Ukyo stole the coins. I am more patient, I have the luxury of time BECAUSE I followed the public (and obvious to anyone that thinks for a few minutes about what and where they are investing) advice not to risk more than I can afford to lose. Time will tell ME if my bitcoins were stolen, but some people here will present "facts" their way, by including everyone's coins in their determination.

In my god-damned AWESOME universe, it's possible for someone to make a mistake, someone else to give him the benefit of the doubt, and for him to redeem himself. If he did something illegal or stupid, in my universe he'd go to jail or get the chance to fix things.

In your awful SHITTY universe, you'll threaten and retaliate and ruin any chances you have of getting your money back. Some fart-for-brains is going to go too far. If Ukyo did something stupid like gamble people's money, he won't go to jail, he'll be threatened with baseball bats and probably never recover and pay anyone anything else back.

Also, karma is an unstoppable bitch, be warned (if that's all you understand).
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