what kind of chip temps is everyone seeing on these?
There is a reading for "chip 1" and "chip 2" per board. I am seeing 90 (chip 1), 77 (chip2) on one board & 65 (chip 1), 77 (chip 2) on the other board
Topic: Bitmain Announces the Antminer R4 and APW5 Power Supply, Designed for Silence - page 26. (Read 85112 times)
December 07, 2016, 06:10:26 PM
December 07, 2016, 03:07:03 PM
I noticed something strange:
Bitmain claimed each R4 weighed 9kg. But on UPS tracking the weight is 6kg. 50% overcharging?!
Bitmain claimed each R4 weighed 9kg. But on UPS tracking the weight is 6kg. 50% overcharging?!
when box size is not regular ups does change rates
but I did mine with fedex I could check it.
December 07, 2016, 02:54:56 PM
I noticed something strange:
Bitmain claimed each R4 weighed 9kg. But on UPS tracking the weight is 6kg. 50% overcharging?!
It is good practice to put margin on declared weight for shipping - if otherwise receiver may get hefty surcharge from courier, especially for int. consignment.Bitmain claimed each R4 weighed 9kg. But on UPS tracking the weight is 6kg. 50% overcharging?!
Shipping fraud?
They charge you for shipping and handling.
No where does it say "thou shalt pay exact fedex price"
So there is no fraud.
They can charge you $120 for S&H on something that costs $2 to ship.
Still not fraud.
Try being a Canadian and ordering shit from ebay from the USA. Then you will see ridiculous shipping prices.
I just paid $100 to UPS for 3 boxes shipped from UK to France - and it was through special discount broker!!They charge you for shipping and handling.
No where does it say "thou shalt pay exact fedex price"
So there is no fraud.
They can charge you $120 for S&H on something that costs $2 to ship.
Still not fraud.
Try being a Canadian and ordering shit from ebay from the USA. Then you will see ridiculous shipping prices.
So, how should I complain about $117 shipping from China to Europe? I think it is very close to "exact FeDex charge".
December 07, 2016, 11:23:49 AM
I think this is a black and white argument and they should have no corner to cut. I am fine with they make money as long as it's justifiable, otherwise a plain fraud it is.
With all due respect, I think you are forgetting the current position of Bitmain. At the present time, they are a near monopoly on miners of this efficiency. If you don't like what they are charging, you are free to not buy from them. Unless and until there is a near alternative, they can get away with a lot that might otherwise be unacceptable.
A guy that is arguing that shipping fraud is OK because they are a monopoly. Wow, just blows my mind that people will take this stance with any company. It's because people like you that companies like this think it's OK to do and get away with it. Congrats on being one of the people on this planet making it worse to live on. You should be very proud. If you see people doing wrong, you're one of the people that stand by and just accept it. Wonder how far it goes before you grow a pair, but then it'll be too late of course.
Shipping fraud?
They charge you for shipping and handling.
No where does it say "thou shalt pay exact fedex price"
So there is no fraud.
They can charge you $120 for S&H on something that costs $2 to ship.
Still not fraud.
Try being a Canadian and ordering shit from ebay from the USA. Then you will see ridiculous shipping prices.
December 06, 2016, 09:01:32 PM
I think this is a black and white argument and they should have no corner to cut. I am fine with they make money as long as it's justifiable, otherwise a plain fraud it is.
With all due respect, I think you are forgetting the current position of Bitmain. At the present time, they are a near monopoly on miners of this efficiency. If you don't like what they are charging, you are free to not buy from them. Unless and until there is a near alternative, they can get away with a lot that might otherwise be unacceptable.
A guy that is arguing that shipping fraud is OK because they are a monopoly. Wow, just blows my mind that people will take this stance with any company. It's because people like you that companies like this think it's OK to do and get away with it. Congrats on being one of the people on this planet making it worse to live on. You should be very proud. If you see people doing wrong, you're one of the people that stand by and just accept it. Wonder how far it goes before you grow a pair, but then it'll be too late of course.
December 06, 2016, 08:25:22 PM
I think this is a black and white argument and they should have no corner to cut. I am fine with they make money as long as it's justifiable, otherwise a plain fraud it is.
With all due respect, I think you are forgetting the current position of Bitmain. At the present time, they are a near monopoly on miners of this efficiency. If you don't like what they are charging, you are free to not buy from them. Unless and until there is a near alternative, they can get away with a lot that might otherwise be unacceptable.
December 06, 2016, 04:39:10 PM
I think this is a black and white argument and they should have no corner to cut. I am fine with they make money as long as it's justifiable, otherwise a plain fraud it is.
December 06, 2016, 04:06:31 PM
Perhaps that's the weight with both R4 and PSU in the box? They 'forgot' to adjust for those who didn't purchase both, me included!
December 06, 2016, 04:05:13 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if they did overcharge for shipping cost. Just like using their own currency conversion rate 
December 06, 2016, 04:03:34 PM
I noticed something strange:
Bitmain claimed each R4 weighed 9kg. But on UPS tracking the weight is 6kg. 50% overcharging?!
Bitmain claimed each R4 weighed 9kg. But on UPS tracking the weight is 6kg. 50% overcharging?!
December 06, 2016, 10:23:32 AM
I am just curious what peoples experience has been buying these off of Alibaba? I see them listed there, but it is the wild west, or the wild east as the case may be when buying on Alibaba. Thoughts?
From what I've heard, the website is legit and has controls and refund mechanisms like Amazon that work well for buyer protection.
That being said, I have never bought anything there and wouldn't risk 1k.
Please keep us in touch if it works out for you mate !
December 06, 2016, 10:19:48 AM
I am just curious what peoples experience has been buying these off of Alibaba? I see them listed there, but it is the wild west, or the wild east as the case may be when buying on Alibaba. Thoughts?
From what I've heard, the website is legit and has controls and refund mechanisms like Amazon that work well for buyer protection.
That being said, I have never bought anything there and wouldn't risk 1k.
Please keep us in touch if it works out for you mate !
December 06, 2016, 09:08:12 AM
I am just curious what peoples experience has been buying these off of Alibaba? I see them listed there, but it is the wild west, or the wild east as the case may be when buying on Alibaba. Thoughts?
December 06, 2016, 08:00:31 AM
more like $1122 (1.457 btc) before shipping or $1218 shipped (1.582 btc), but who is counting...
bottom line..meh deal.
R4 has always been priced at a heck of a premium vs the S9 on a $/hash basis - but they appear to have decided the Avalon 721 is competition for the R4.
December 06, 2016, 07:56:27 AM
Unfortunately I, and many others, have been waiting many months for this latest batch to be released. And indeed they have sold out very quickly as the last batch did. So best guess at this point is don't hold your breath for batch 3, few months or more would be a conservative guess. Could be less, could be more... who knows besides those inside Bitmain who run the show?
Then this must be one of those scams:
http://bitmanusa.com/product/antminer-r4-8-6-ths/
I read about people trying to do this - taking payment by Bitcoin only & never delivering the Antminers. SMH
bit MAIN not bit MAN
Yes that link is no doubt a scam.
December 06, 2016, 01:13:41 AM
Well, I hope the R4 I found is legit. Just bought one, so I guess I'll see if they actually have it IN HAND in the USA & will ship it within 10 days...
Antminer R4, 8TH/s Designed for home use.NOTE: We ship the miner after 10 days
http://www.ebay.com/itm/162307697540
The seller has sold Antminers in the past, both used and a new one with positive feedback, so hopefully I'll have a new R4 to start mining with in about 2 weeks. Had to pay a premium price, but if it will be months b4 the next batch comes out, I'd rather have one now & hashing so it can pay for itself sooner rather than later when the difficulty increases.
Antminer R4, 8TH/s Designed for home use.NOTE: We ship the miner after 10 days
http://www.ebay.com/itm/162307697540
The seller has sold Antminers in the past, both used and a new one with positive feedback, so hopefully I'll have a new R4 to start mining with in about 2 weeks. Had to pay a premium price, but if it will be months b4 the next batch comes out, I'd rather have one now & hashing so it can pay for itself sooner rather than later when the difficulty increases.
People are paying $2000 USD for a batch 1 so you didn't pay too much.
Good to know. Thanks dogjunior. Sure hope I actually get it.
I'll be keeping an eye on this thread since others here are expecting theirs to come in this week.
Hope the R4 Batch 2's can be overclocked to 650 like the Batch 1's. We will see.
December 06, 2016, 12:48:19 AM
Well, I hope the R4 I found is legit. Just bought one, so I guess I'll see if they actually have it IN HAND in the USA & will ship it within 10 days...
Antminer R4, 8TH/s Designed for home use.NOTE: We ship the miner after 10 days
http://www.ebay.com/itm/162307697540
The seller has sold Antminers in the past, both used and a new one with positive feedback, so hopefully I'll have a new R4 to start mining with in about 2 weeks. Had to pay a premium price, but if it will be months b4 the next batch comes out, I'd rather have one now & hashing so it can pay for itself sooner rather than later when the difficulty increases.
Antminer R4, 8TH/s Designed for home use.NOTE: We ship the miner after 10 days
http://www.ebay.com/itm/162307697540
The seller has sold Antminers in the past, both used and a new one with positive feedback, so hopefully I'll have a new R4 to start mining with in about 2 weeks. Had to pay a premium price, but if it will be months b4 the next batch comes out, I'd rather have one now & hashing so it can pay for itself sooner rather than later when the difficulty increases.
People are paying $2000 USD for a batch 1 so you didn't pay too much.
December 05, 2016, 11:55:10 PM
Well, I hope the R4 I found is legit. Just bought one, so I guess I'll see if they actually have it IN HAND in the USA & will ship it within 10 days...
Antminer R4, 8TH/s Designed for home use.NOTE: We ship the miner after 10 days
http://www.ebay.com/itm/162307697540
The seller has sold Antminers in the past, both used and a new one with positive feedback, so hopefully I'll have a new R4 to start mining with in about 2 weeks. Had to pay a premium price, but if it will be months b4 the next batch comes out, I'd rather have one now & hashing so it can pay for itself sooner rather than later when the difficulty increases.
Antminer R4, 8TH/s Designed for home use.NOTE: We ship the miner after 10 days
http://www.ebay.com/itm/162307697540
The seller has sold Antminers in the past, both used and a new one with positive feedback, so hopefully I'll have a new R4 to start mining with in about 2 weeks. Had to pay a premium price, but if it will be months b4 the next batch comes out, I'd rather have one now & hashing so it can pay for itself sooner rather than later when the difficulty increases.
December 05, 2016, 11:22:55 PM
Unfortunately I, and many others, have been waiting many months for this latest batch to be released. And indeed they have sold out very quickly as the last batch did. So best guess at this point is don't hold your breath for batch 3, few months or more would be a conservative guess. Could be less, could be more... who knows besides those inside Bitmain who run the show?
Then this must be one of those scams:
http://bitmanusa.com/product/antminer-r4-8-6-ths/
I read about people trying to do this - taking payment by Bitcoin only & never delivering the Antminers. SMH
December 05, 2016, 11:09:25 PM
Unfortunately I, and many others, have been waiting many months for this latest batch to be released. And indeed they have sold out very quickly as the last batch did. So best guess at this point is don't hold your breath for batch 3, few months or more would be a conservative guess. Could be less, could be more... who knows besides those inside Bitmain who run the show?
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