Topic: Bitmain looks like they're releasing a 15GH/s DASH miner called the AntMiner D3 - page 305. (Read 299688 times)

Any other info on bitcoin-miner-store.com? Anyone ever order from them?

thanks, i know that sites been around for awhile. just wondering.

Scam. Direct or bust except for a small number of acceptably reliable stores that you can buy from. Even those stores will sell miners at a considerable markup.

Has anyone dealt with another company outside of bitmain for purchasing miners? (bitcoin-miner-store.com) I'm trying to pick one up but don't know how reputable this site is.

Is Dash the only altcoin mining option with the D3? It looks like the other X11 algorithm coins are too small to handle any sizeable increase in hashrate.

http://www.innosilicon.com.cn/html/news/21.html

 Link?

 I've not seen mention of Innosilicon getting into X11 miner making anywhere before now.

 I'm pretty sure the first *2* batches of the L3+, as well as the original L3, were all "cash or bitcoin" payment only.


 I expect X11 coin network hashrates to climb quite a bit when Bitmain starts shipping the D3 - but how much depends on how big the initial batch size is.

 It says X11 somewhere on the product page.

 It doesn't specify DASH but DASH is the only major X11-based coin.

First batch will make good results still. Different from now , but still good.

I am extremely worried for the next batches.... Because this is a lot of Mhs deployed with each batch.... From different companies...

I'm wondering what will happen with the current difficulty of Dash when those are shipped.
It seems pretty profitable right now but I think that won't be the case anymore when the new batch is available.

Im not hating on them.

They earned their spot for a reason, and as a company they are very fair when it comes to pricing.  But a little more competition would be healthy, I mean competition that treats their customers fairly with on time shipments and correct specs as bitmain does.

I sold my Baikal Cube and Giant on eBay earlier this week. Glad I was able to get rid of them while I could still pull a profit.

On to bigger and better things.

The first batch of whatever new machine Bitmain release is a money maker and not a money loser. I wish i had L3+ in the May batch... instead of the September. I don't need to wait in order to know what to buy, yes, in Sept i will need 2 machines to make what i did with one 3 months earlier...

Also, i feel bad for all the people who had up to now, about 600-1200mhs Genesis contract , so much money spent to mine these. And all that will be thrown to the garbage as it will mine nothing in 2 months. ... It's unfair, but that's the world we living in...

It shocks me that even before 2 months, 150mhs and 300mhs Baikal miners were selling for 3000$us a piece lol And now companies came up with 15,000mhs..... i mean.... what can i say lol

I agree. Bitmain is a very good company all things considered. Competitive pricing, good customer service, reliable products. Not sure why all the hate. I'll take them over any of their current competitors.

Hard to find information on this but it looks like the design process of the various manufacturers chips looks something like:

PinIdea      64nm (about 1.5 Mh per Watt)
Baikal        40nm (about 4.6 Mh per Watt)
Bitmain        ?nm (about 12.5 Mh per Watt)  <-assuming it meets the specs at release
iBelink        28nm (about 13.3 Mh per Watt)  
Innosilicon    ?nm (about 40.3 Mh per Watt) <-assuming it meets the specs at release

I would guess that the Bitmain D3 is using a 28nm process and the Innosilicon is using something smaller.  The S9 is 16nm so there is certainly room for an improvement here in terms of efficiency and newer generation miners.  I doubt Innosilicon's chip is 16nm whatever it is.  PinIdea is probably out of this game for good at this point.  They have been releasing miners using the same chip for more than a year and only making miner efficiency gains by playing with chip frequencies.  I don't know if Baikal has anything in the works in terms of new chip designs but their current generation chip is also basically obsolete as soon as any of the other miners hit the market.  We know based on the network hashrate that some of these other miners are certainly real.  iBelink seems pretty well confirmed on all fronts including the specs at this point.  The Bitmain D3 could conceivably change specs prior to release but Bitmain usually comes pretty close on their stated specs vs what they release so I doubt it will move much.  The Innosilicon one is the real question, but if they are using something like 20nm or even 24nm they can make a huge impact in the market even if they don't release for 6 months.  The problem there is that Bitmain is likely to get a more efficient miner in that range inside of a year or so if dash prices justify making it so Innosilicon better drop something soon or Bitmain will just bury them in the longer term.

I am on the fence about trying to grab a D3 if I could get it soon.  But it looks like all of these early generation miners are likely to be money losers.  The network hashrate is in for some really serious increase.  Over the longer term though it will get easier to gauge the profitability of a miner so holding out for a 20nm or smaller miner, which is no doubt a year or more out still, might be a better investment, or at least a more predictable one.

I know Bitmain receives a lot of crap from people who want cheaper miners, but I'm always surprised they don't charge way more than they do. These D3s, for example, would have sold out nearly as quickly if priced at $5k - yet Bitmain chooses $2700 because they know the pending difficulty increase will decrease profitability. I miss when Bitmain used to release how profitable each of their miners were (by batch, measured in bitcoin) had you started running them 24/7 after delivery based on a reasonable electric rate. It was always encouraging to see that they intentionally price everything to earn more of the corresponding coin than you would have had if you took the same amount of money and simply purchased the coins. I think they stopped doing this when bitcoin was worth way less since the math no longer worked out in their favor. I believe the introduction of the L3+ and D3 are a return to the pricing models of old.

My guess is between 500 and 1500. We'll likely never know, but it wouldn't make sense to build less than that for a first batch. I got quite a few right before starting this thread 😅.

Wouldn't you if you were them?

Bitmain is absolutely ruthless these days, this company is going to own almost all of the asic market!!