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sr. member
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May 11, 2014, 12:48:08 PM
#66
It also comes down to the price one pays for electricity.

The Antminer S1 cannot be beat if one has low electricity costs (under 10 cents / KWh) and has access to abundant electricity and cooling.

I may pay less per GH for electricity in dollar terms running S1s at 10 cents per kilowatt hour than someone in Europe or California pays to run SP10s at 30 to 40 cents per kilowatt hour.

Power efficiency is very important for miners with high electricity costs, but not so much for miners with low electricity costs.

Why someone who pays 30 to 40 cents per kwh would mine at that cost instead of finding a cheap hosting  deal is beyond me.
Maybe he's spending fiat to make a hedged bet at btc.
Or he's positive diff increment will be 5% for the next 6 months.
Or simply don't care for ROI.




But trust me, better go for larger machines in smaller quantities...  Wink



'Nuff said!

He must've said larger machines in smaller quantities....at the same cost.
I doubt he'd trade ROI for better form.


^^^^This  Wink

Thought so  Cheesy
hero member
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May 11, 2014, 07:59:38 AM
#65

But trust me, better go for larger machines in smaller quantities...  Wink



'Nuff said!

He must've said larger machines in smaller quantities....at the same cost.
I doubt he'd trade ROI for better form.


^^^^This  Wink
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May 10, 2014, 02:13:58 PM
#64
So all in all it really has too mutch that weigh in like country, power costs, preferrences, space, heat, money , coins to use etc too really make This post simply pros and cons for ant and spoond. There will allways be to mutch off av variabel. Annyways annyone been too spoondolies? Are they located in tel aviv ?
hero member
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May 10, 2014, 01:46:20 PM
#63
It also comes down to the price one pays for electricity.

The Antminer S1 cannot be beat if one has low electricity costs (under 10 cents / KWh) and has access to abundant electricity and cooling.

I may pay less per GH for electricity in dollar terms running S1s at 10 cents per kilowatt hour than someone in Europe or California pays to run SP10s at 30 to 40 cents per kilowatt hour.

Power efficiency is very important for miners with high electricity costs, but not so much for miners with low electricity costs.

Certainly true to a point, but too much is made of relatively small power efficiency differences. The more you pay for the gear up front, the longer it has to run to reach positive ROI and state of the art efficiency generally commands a premium. People with really high power costs can have their sha miners turn into losers very quickly even with state of the art efficiency. If you're in Australia for instance and paying $.34/kwh then pre-ordering an sp-30 for August delivery   with btc/fiat under $500 and difficulty continuing to ramp up is a huge risk. In such a case you should buy and hold coins, but if you're determined to mine then scrypt gear is probably a better investment than sha gear anyway. The calculations are probably more crucial for people on the margins of high power costs.

@Mc Trollster. You win the most annoying post of the month award sir. It hurts my eyes to look at your dumb picture. Ignored.
hero member
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May 10, 2014, 12:52:09 PM
#62
It also comes down to the price one pays for electricity.

The Antminer S1 cannot be beat if one has low electricity costs (under 10 cents / KWh) and has access to abundant electricity and cooling.

I may pay less per GH for electricity in dollar terms running S1s at 10 cents per kilowatt hour than someone in Europe or California pays to run SP10s at 30 to 40 cents per kilowatt hour.

Power efficiency is very important for miners with high electricity costs, but not so much for miners with low electricity costs.
sr. member
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May 10, 2014, 12:37:42 PM
#61


But trust me, better go for larger machines in smaller quantities...  Wink



'Nuff said!

He must've said larger machines in smaller quantities....at the same cost.
I doubt he'd trade ROI for better form.
hero member
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May 10, 2014, 11:46:30 AM
#60


But trust me, better go for larger machines in smaller quantities...  Wink

'Nuff said!

Hardly. I'll take the rats nest and a positive ROI thanks.

...actually I have a rats nest and a positive ROI.
legendary
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May 10, 2014, 10:18:38 AM
#59


But trust me, better go for larger machines in smaller quantities...  Wink



'Nuff said!
hero member
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May 09, 2014, 11:35:06 PM
#58
S2 already in Norway next day!

Oslo to DataCenter could take longer lol!



Nice brag!

LOL... it be better if Oslo to DC was same time frame. Have to wait til Monday! Argggh! It is a 4 hour drive to the DC from Oslo and they couldn't do on Friday!

I bought both. SP30 and S2. At this point I think it is important to support both companies given we do not have a lot of other viable choices. There is little between them. I am willing to risk buying Bitmain even if there are some issue with RMA given they ship fast. I am willing to risk on buying Spondoolies later for August because the SP30s are a tremendous product.

Personally I don't see this as a competition as long as people stop funding HashFast, BFL, KnC, Cointerra etc then the community will be better off in the longer term. At this point there is little to choose between Bitmain and Spondoolies. Can't go too wrong either way and if there is an advantage to Bitmain it is slight at these current BTC prices.
legendary
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ASIC Wannabe
May 09, 2014, 05:36:14 PM
#57
right now, a rough estimate shows that:

S1: 0.5BTC, can mine about 1.0BTC total in ~3 months, using about $250 in power.

SP10: ~12BTC, can mine about 16BTC in ~7 months, using about $1500 in power

at BTC= $500 the respective profits are negligible, about breakeven (0%) and ~1BTC (6%) respectively.
at BTC = $2000 the respective profits are 0.375BTC (75%) and 3.25BTC (30%) respectively.

If you are bullish on BTC prices, then the Antminer S1 has a tremendous capability to bring in a profit, similar to when the first asics came out but GPUs were still profitable.
sr. member
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May 09, 2014, 03:36:57 PM
#56
I would say looking @ S2 to SP10 is NOT an argument, SP10 is better choice hands down. The S1 GH/$ now is a good topic for comparison.

In my power grid residential costs $0.08/KWh, commercial $0.18/KWh

In a residential install it would take 181 days for the SP10 to eat away the price difference per GH.

In a commercial collocation it would take 80 days for the SP10 to eat the difference.

S1 is clear winner IF you are installing in residential, SP10 would have my vote for install @ collocation
hero member
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May 09, 2014, 03:17:35 PM
#55
Power consumption is such an overblown issue. People horribly overpay for slightly better power consumption, which makes very little difference in profitability over the life of these products. Sure, an sp10 is awesome vs an avalon at 9+ watts/gh, but when you're talking about small efficiency improvements it's just not worth paying a bunch more up front.

Improving the S1's power efficiency significantly is not very difficult either if one chooses to do so. There are threads around with detailed directions and photos to help. Just making blanket statements like 1w/gh or more shouldn't be considered is absurd, though you're welcome to your own opinion. The only thing that should matter is getting your investment back and making a positive ROI. For most poeple that's more likely to occur sooner with an s1(or 6) than either an s2 or a spondoolie.
legendary
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May 09, 2014, 02:49:22 PM
#54
SP10 is more suitable for installation in the engine room inside, but its price is too expensive! Even if Bitcoin prices back to $ 1000, your investment will not be fully recovered, even without considering the electricity cost.

And the price of S2 is better? It's actually more $/GH than the SP10. And with S2 you get this:

You'll need to RMA your current S2 back to bitmain and they will send a replacement out to you. Could take 2 or more weeks.

This is an ongoing issue with Bitmain in general. I too was just hit with a failed part, and the turn around on failed product WILL result in serious loss in mining payouts. There is an advantage to going with Bitmain for mining hardware, however due to their support on hardware with issues, you need to factor in as serious losses in revenue .


Oh yeah dead bitmain gear you get fucked on the rma.  that is pretty true.  Takes a long time for replacement.  they ask for a deposit .  Happened to me.

 But a usa dealer sent me an s-1 upfront no cash no coin.  I sent him the dead one.  Since he is a big dealer he handled the rma for me.  So I only lost 4 days mining but no replacement deposit.

Thank you to bobsag3.

Hey now, don't go mentioning the s1 again. The spondoolie heads are busily pretending it doesn't exist.

Anything with 1W/GH or more shouldn't be on the miners radar imo now, but it's everyone's choice how they fill their power circuits.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
May 09, 2014, 02:11:28 PM
#53
SP10 is more suitable for installation in the engine room inside, but its price is too expensive! Even if Bitcoin prices back to $ 1000, your investment will not be fully recovered, even without considering the electricity cost.

And the price of S2 is better? It's actually more $/GH than the SP10. And with S2 you get this:

You'll need to RMA your current S2 back to bitmain and they will send a replacement out to you. Could take 2 or more weeks.

This is an ongoing issue with Bitmain in general. I too was just hit with a failed part, and the turn around on failed product WILL result in serious loss in mining payouts. There is an advantage to going with Bitmain for mining hardware, however due to their support on hardware with issues, you need to factor in as serious losses in revenue .


Oh yeah dead bitmain gear you get fucked on the rma.  that is pretty true.  Takes a long time for replacement.  they ask for a deposit .  Happened to me.

 But a usa dealer sent me an s-1 upfront no cash no coin.  I sent him the dead one.  Since he is a big dealer he handled the rma for me.  So I only lost 4 days mining but no replacement deposit.

Thank you to bobsag3.

Hey now, don't go mentioning the s1 again. The spondoolie heads are busily pretending it doesn't exist.

But if you look up 1 post my fast jump to diff of 22/25 (under 30 days)  

then really slow diff jump for 8 months makes the sp10 & sp30 a winner


Love the quality of the sp10  but my ice fury usb sticks were far better then ant miner u-1 sticks.

I made a lot of money selling u-1's  I got crushed selling ice furies.

 
hero member
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May 09, 2014, 02:08:38 PM
#52
SP10 is more suitable for installation in the engine room inside, but its price is too expensive! Even if Bitcoin prices back to $ 1000, your investment will not be fully recovered, even without considering the electricity cost.

And the price of S2 is better? It's actually more $/GH than the SP10. And with S2 you get this:

You'll need to RMA your current S2 back to bitmain and they will send a replacement out to you. Could take 2 or more weeks.

This is an ongoing issue with Bitmain in general. I too was just hit with a failed part, and the turn around on failed product WILL result in serious loss in mining payouts. There is an advantage to going with Bitmain for mining hardware, however due to their support on hardware with issues, you need to factor in as serious losses in revenue .


Oh yeah dead bitmain gear you get fucked on the rma.  that is pretty true.  Takes a long time for replacement.  they ask for a deposit .  Happened to me.

 But a usa dealer sent me an s-1 upfront no cash no coin.  I sent him the dead one.  Since he is a big dealer he handled the rma for me.  So I only lost 4 days mining but no replacement deposit.

Thank you to bobsag3.

Hey now, don't go mentioning the s1 again. The spondoolie heads are busily pretending it doesn't exist.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
May 09, 2014, 02:06:06 PM
#51
SP10 is more suitable for installation in the engine room inside, but its price is too expensive! Even if Bitcoin prices back to $ 1000, your investment will not be fully recovered, even without considering the electricity cost.

And the price of S2 is better? It's actually more $/GH than the SP10. And with S2 you get this:

You'll need to RMA your current S2 back to bitmain and they will send a replacement out to you. Could take 2 or more weeks.

This is an ongoing issue with Bitmain in general. I too was just hit with a failed part, and the turn around on failed product WILL result in serious loss in mining payouts. There is an advantage to going with Bitmain for mining hardware, however due to their support on hardware with issues, you need to factor in as serious losses in revenue .


Oh yeah dead bitmain gear you get fucked on the rma.  that is pretty true.  Takes a long time for replacement.  they ask for a deposit .  Happened to me.

 But a usa dealer sent me an s-1 upfront no cash no coin.  I sent him the dead one.  Since he is a big dealer he handled the rma for me.  So I only lost 4 days mining but no replacement deposit.

Thank you to bobsag3.

Oh I came up with a model that makes the sp10 a clear winner.  btc stays dead flat 400 to 475 usd a coin.

Diff jumps like mad from the current 8 to 22 really fast. 2 or 3 jumps

Then diff stays dead flat 2 to 5 %   a jump for 8 months.

The sp10 and the sp30 would rock with that model.   better then the s-1 or the s-2.
sr. member
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May 09, 2014, 01:44:16 PM
#50
S2 already in Norway next day!

Oslo to DataCenter could take longer lol!



Nice brag!
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1007
May 09, 2014, 01:40:38 PM
#49
SP10 is more suitable for installation in the engine room inside, but its price is too expensive! Even if Bitcoin prices back to $ 1000, your investment will not be fully recovered, even without considering the electricity cost.

And the price of S2 is better? It's actually more $/GH than the SP10. And with S2 you get this:

You'll need to RMA your current S2 back to bitmain and they will send a replacement out to you. Could take 2 or more weeks.

This is an ongoing issue with Bitmain in general. I too was just hit with a failed part, and the turn around on failed product WILL result in serious loss in mining payouts. There is an advantage to going with Bitmain for mining hardware, however due to their support on hardware with issues, you need to factor in as serious losses in revenue .
full member
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Merit: 100
May 09, 2014, 12:59:17 PM
#48
SP10 is more suitable for installation in the engine room inside, but its price is too expensive! Even if Bitcoin prices back to $ 1000, your investment will not be fully recovered, even without considering the electricity cost.
legendary
Activity: 1904
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May 09, 2014, 08:44:39 AM
#47
SP10 doesn't come trashed like S2:

The lulz worthyness of buying an S2 and it being shipped to Sydney (via Melbourne) which is probably a lot closer than anyone in the USA?

Oh well, not a single board survived in place:
http://198.245.60.111/Pix/20140509125727-S2FirstOpen.jpg
(yes the left one is simply out of the socket as can be seen below, but the right one is right out)

And ... 7 out of 10 "PCI" backbone connectors are bent Tongue
http://198.245.60.111/Pix/20140509130144-S2Lulz.jpg

Note this was provided to me by someone who paid the usual online ordering but had it shipped to me direct.
It was NOT provided by bitmain.

Gonna be fun putting this together ... sigh.
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