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sr. member
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Bitmark Developer
August 28, 2014, 10:08:21 AM
Also, considering it was actually in usage historically it's similar to using the dollar sign for anything that has the word "dollars" in it. Multiple currencies use the dollar sign, it's not restricted to single use. If they had designed the symbol themselves that would be different of course.

A fine point EsteNuno. We can also consider that we are using the symbol inline with it's time gained meaning too, to denominate 1/1000 of our currency, rather than completely re-purposing it mean a brand. We are just rather fortunate that when you look at the thing it expresses a 'mark' by containing a mark /  being a little m and meaning 1/1000.
legendary
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amarha
August 28, 2014, 10:00:30 AM
Repurpose

* The mark (₥) is 1⁄1000 of a BTM

cross over maybe ..?

mazacoin has a similar concept with the checked M see https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8436167

Perhaps, let's see if it is a problem as we progress, I see little incorporation of it within their project, it's not in the logo, and we do not know whether that project will mature or slowly die. Possibly some alt coins in addition to mazacoin have proposed or used it too.

My own sentiment is that it's not trademarked, or associated with anything to people's common knowledge, and the domain we will use it in is not really this forum. Put another way, if we looked at font-awesome or an icon pack and saw it listed associated with a company/tech/org then we'd have to abandon, if it's just in a line of text of an alt on a small forum I am not so concerned. Such things are claimed by association through usage, so let's use it and let it be associated with marking in people's minds, usage will claim this little ₥ for us if it is to be.



Also, considering it was actually in usage historically it's similar to using the dollar sign for anything that has the word "dollars" in it. Multiple currencies use the dollar sign, it's not restricted to single use. If they had designed the symbol themselves that would be different of course.
sr. member
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Bitmark Developer
August 28, 2014, 09:51:01 AM
Repurpose

* The mark (₥) is 1⁄1000 of a BTM

cross over maybe ..?

mazacoin has a similar concept with the checked M see https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8436167

Perhaps, let's see if it is a problem as we progress, I see little incorporation of it within their project, it's not in the logo, and we do not know whether that project will mature or slowly die. Possibly some alt coins in addition to mazacoin have proposed or used it too.

My own sentiment is that it's not trademarked, or associated with anything to people's common knowledge, and the domain we will use it in is not really this forum. Put another way, if we looked at font-awesome or an icon pack and saw it listed associated with a company/tech/org then we'd have to abandon, if it's just in a line of text of an alt on a small forum I am not so concerned. Such things are claimed by association through usage, so let's use it and let it be associated with marking in people's minds, usage will claim this little ₥ for us if it is to be.

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August 28, 2014, 02:47:35 AM


history

* The mill or mille (₥) is a now abstract unit of currency
* It was a notional unit equivalent to 1⁄1000 of a currency unit
* full article

Repurpose

* The mark (₥) is 1⁄1000 of a BTM

Thank you history for abandoning something else useful to our project. We have been very fortunate with our choices.

it even has a check/mark through it

cross over maybe ..?

mazacoin has a similar concept with the checked M see https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8436167
sr. member
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August 27, 2014, 11:28:26 PM
Umm. If you bothered to check your OWN support forum, you would find I also posted about the problem there.  My miner name is ben96c.

EDIT:  Nothing was happening at minepits end so I reloaded my wallet address and got an (unconfirmed) payout.
EDIT 2: Now confirmed.

Andronicus.  I've got 155 matured coins there plus nearly 300 unmatured.  I've been waiting for the auto payout to kick in but it never did so I did a manual cashout a few hours ago. Nothing coming through.  Retried manual cashout. Just tell me ERROR: Request already pending.  

What's your username on our site? I'll take a look in the database - this happens sometimes if the wallet address isn't saved into the database properly.
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August 27, 2014, 10:50:24 PM
We desperately needed a concise symbol for ₥arking, something recognisable which reflected monetary value whilst not being overly explicit.

Perhaps a little ₥ on a button will look quite neat and provide a condensed icon meaning you can mark this, then later we can buy a coffee for 1.99₥

For interest, b is the official symbol for bit, and we have re-purposed our ₥, so now b₥ translates as bitmark, ₥ as mark, and ₥b as markbits if we ever need them.

If you can buy coffee for 1.99₥ then it means that a whole b₥ is worth 1000$. Am I wrong?


When value is earned through action as Bitmark has done, and shall continue to do, the effects are the tangible and measureable results of Marks consistent work ethic, that sets the standard and leaves behind an indelible impact.
sr. member
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Bitmark Developer
August 27, 2014, 10:41:39 PM
We desperately needed a concise symbol for ₥arking, something recognisable which reflected monetary value whilst not being overly explicit.

Perhaps a little ₥ on a button will look quite neat and provide a condensed icon meaning you can mark this, then later we can buy a coffee for 1.99₥

For interest, b is the official symbol for bit, and we have re-purposed our ₥, so now b₥ translates as bitmark, ₥ as mark, and ₥b as markbits if we ever need them.

If you can buy coffee for 1.99₥ then it means that a whole b₥ is worth 1000$. Am I wrong?

That depends on the price of the coffee in $ I guess. Let's not get concerned with the price, it was meant as an example of how people first see it as reputation then later as earned valuable currency.

I prefer to consider adoption. As we start 2019 there will be roughly 17 million BTM and 17 million BTC. 5 years, half a decade.

As a source of reference I like to look at this list of social networks and users, then I like to consider perhaps how many small sites may adopt, and perhaps how many medium sized websites within say 5 years. I class soundcloud, deviantart.com, last.fm, etcetera as medium size. If even one of them adopts then 1 BTM will be very rare, if three or more, or larger within five years, then a person holding 100₥, 10₥ or less would be rare.

I guess it is worth considering that we are creating a viral by nature reputation+money system that can be integrated anywhere, we're adding support to most open source programs, with a self funding system that pretty much allows people to make start ups for free, we also layer on support to any existing website's we please via extensions and apps, then there's the markets like games and services and digital consumables, before looking at integration in to larger sites. That's on the reputation usage side of it, then there's the traditional usage as money side, and also the point that it's forwards and backwards compatible with anything sharing bitcoin's api.

Forget about price and focus on usefulness and simple adoption, that'll distribute the tokens further and give us something enjoyable and useful to do, the more they are used and distributed the rarer they become, and we all know what that entails.
sr. member
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August 27, 2014, 10:09:13 PM
We desperately needed a concise symbol for ₥arking, something recognisable which reflected monetary value whilst not being overly explicit.

Perhaps a little ₥ on a button will look quite neat and provide a condensed icon meaning you can mark this, then later we can buy a coffee for 1.99₥

For interest, b is the official symbol for bit, and we have re-purposed our ₥, so now b₥ translates as bitmark, ₥ as mark, and ₥b as markbits if we ever need them.

If you can buy coffee for 1.99₥ then it means that a whole b₥ is worth 1000$. Am I wrong?
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
Bitmark Developer
August 27, 2014, 09:26:02 PM
When we reach our third price-tag milestone of dollar parity, a bitmark being worth a $, then for a time each ₥ will have it's historical value of $0.001 and also it's new value of 1/1000 BTM - this is nice.

Third milestone: the first milestone $0.01 was hit within minutes of launch, then second $0.10 has been the stable value for a week or more, in this our first month of trading
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
Bitmark Developer
August 27, 2014, 09:12:38 PM
We desperately needed a concise symbol for ₥arking, something recognisable which reflected monetary value whilst not being overly explicit.

Perhaps a little ₥ on a button will look quite neat and provide a condensed icon meaning you can mark this, then later we can buy a coffee for 1.99₥

For interest, b is the official symbol for bit, and we have re-purposed our ₥, so now b₥ translates as bitmark, ₥ as mark, and ₥b as markbits if we ever need them.
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August 27, 2014, 05:09:00 PM
Andronicus.  I've got 155 matured coins there plus nearly 300 unmatured.  I've been waiting for the auto payout to kick in but it never did so I did a manual cashout a few hours ago. Nothing coming through.  Retried manual cashout. Just tell me ERROR: Request already pending.  

What's your username on our site? I'll take a look in the database - this happens sometimes if the wallet address isn't saved into the database properly.
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
Bitmark Developer
August 27, 2014, 04:59:22 PM


history

* The mill or mille (₥) is a now abstract unit of currency
* It was a notional unit equivalent to 1⁄1000 of a currency unit
* full article

Repurpose

* The mark (₥) is 1⁄1000 of a BTM

Thank you history for abandoning something else useful to our project. We have been very fortunate with our choices.

it even has a check/mark through it
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
Bitmark Developer
August 27, 2014, 05:21:13 AM
I've donated.  Not credited in the OP but I did.

Apologies, I cut of updating the donations on the ANN after a point as it was becoming quite a time consuming job tracking down donations and updating, appending a note to say thank you to all instead. I'm happy to add anybody to the list who'd like mentioned, please just drop me a PM and I'll update it quickly Smiley

Regarding Minep.it, or any other pool, please reach out to them directly via support forums/twitter/mail, I'm sure they can't check the threads of every currency they support every day. If it becomes an issues multiple people are experiencing I'll reach out to them directly on behalf of the community - if that is of any help.
sr. member
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August 27, 2014, 04:40:49 AM
Bold, red, oversize font.  Please don't do that here.  And FYI, yes I've donated.  Not credited in the OP but I did.

@all miners, please donate some BTM to development foundation, DEV has been working on this coin with full time, if he was forced to quit this coin due to lack of money, this coin will be screwed up.
sr. member
Activity: 339
Merit: 250
August 27, 2014, 04:40:09 AM
Andronicus.  I've got 155 matured coins there plus nearly 300 unmatured.  I've been waiting for the auto payout to kick in but it never did so I did a manual cashout a few hours ago. Nothing coming through.  Retried manual cashout. Just tell me ERROR: Request already pending.  

Ah, that's not so good - I have had some issues there in the past and the dev has always sorted them out. Minep.it is on here so hopefully he is on it...
sr. member
Activity: 350
Merit: 250
August 27, 2014, 04:34:22 AM
Andronicus.  I've got 155 matured coins there plus nearly 300 unmatured.  I've been waiting for the auto payout to kick in but it never did so I did a manual cashout a few hours ago. Nothing coming through.  Retried manual cashout. Just tell me ERROR: Request already pending.  
legendary
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Angel investor.
August 27, 2014, 04:31:58 AM
@all miners, please donate some BTM to development foundation, DEV has been working on this coin with full time, if he was forced to quit this coin due to lack of money, this coin will be screwed up.
sr. member
Activity: 339
Merit: 250
August 27, 2014, 04:29:19 AM
As a 'heads up' and for the uninitiated on the subject of secure address generation, would a 'Mini Howto' be a good idea to explain the best practice method for using the Brain Wallet?

Great idea. Perhaps also including usage with bitmark-qt and inuit as two practical examples.

The bitmark wiki is editable by all, a good place to start writing such things so that others can collaboratively edit and review.

Tied up at day job so no chance to get on with wiki right now but here's a simple starter:

Code:

1) Download: https://github.com/project-bitmark/brain/archive/master.zip

2) Put onto a brand new re-formatted USB stick and unzip master.zip

3) Eject USB stick > insert USB stick into 'cold' off-line machine and open '[DRIVE LETTER]:\path\to\master.zip'

Voila!
sr. member
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August 27, 2014, 04:26:46 AM
It would be nice if they paid out though.   Sad   Made a post on the support forum, no reply but looking through the other support posts, that is not unusual.  I've moved off there until they get their shit together.

Big thumbs up to minepit.  We are killing it over there! Smiley  I'm ben96c on that pool.


31,194    smien2014    8/26 12:34:13 PM    45.10% (2,631,307)
31,182    ben96c    8/26 12:27:49 PM    21.26% (1,240,616)
31,177    ben96c    8/26 12:24:30 PM    40.87% (2,384,442)
31,165    24Kilo    8/26 12:16:57 PM    39.39% (2,298,149)
31,152    AndoRoid    8/26 12:07:23 PM    39.85% (2,325,005)
31,141    AndoRoid    8/26 11:57:08 AM    19.78% (1,153,963)
31,131    smien2014    8/26 11:50:40 AM    13.81% (805,565)
31,126    ben96c    8/26 11:46:08 AM    6.21% (362,437)

Good to see another pool rising up and getting some more hashing. Smiley

Auto payout is 100BTM - I manually push payment every time I see a withdrawable balance as I will NOT leave coins anywhere after my experience with mywl.it!

Are you not getting auto payouts?
sr. member
Activity: 350
Merit: 250
August 27, 2014, 04:24:41 AM
It would be nice if they paid out though.   Sad   Made a post on the support forum, no reply but looking through the other support posts, that is not unusual.  I've moved off there until they get their shit together.

Big thumbs up to minepit.  We are killing it over there! Smiley  I'm ben96c on that pool.


31,194    smien2014    8/26 12:34:13 PM    45.10% (2,631,307)
31,182    ben96c    8/26 12:27:49 PM    21.26% (1,240,616)
31,177    ben96c    8/26 12:24:30 PM    40.87% (2,384,442)
31,165    24Kilo    8/26 12:16:57 PM    39.39% (2,298,149)
31,152    AndoRoid    8/26 12:07:23 PM    39.85% (2,325,005)
31,141    AndoRoid    8/26 11:57:08 AM    19.78% (1,153,963)
31,131    smien2014    8/26 11:50:40 AM    13.81% (805,565)
31,126    ben96c    8/26 11:46:08 AM    6.21% (362,437)

Good to see another pool rising up and getting some more hashing. Smiley
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