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June 28, 2014, 11:49:15 AM
#44
ASICs

Coming back to this. I've noticed an abundance of threads like this. To me they read that there's a growing and improving amount of scrypt hardware out there, which can be used to secure the network. Combined with the user focussed approach to make Bitmark an every day usage coin, it appears all the elements are there just waiting to be utilized.
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amarha
June 28, 2014, 06:36:30 AM
#43


I feel milli, and micro, in relation to currency conjures the notion of limited or meaningless value. Even though as a programmer I like the terms.

This must appeal to a wider audience.



That is a good point that I haven't considered before. Logical isn't always necessarily the best option.
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June 27, 2014, 03:46:13 PM
#42
Thank you for your replies.

Personally I much prefer the old milli and micro system over bits(or marks in this case). I think it's pretty confusing as it will be natural for people to want to call a bitmark a mark.

I know Bitcoin is moving towards denominating bitcoins in bits instead of millibits now. But I thought I'd at least voice my opinion on this.

1 bitmark / 0.01 centimark(markcent maybe?) / 0.001 millimark / 0.000001 micromark / 0.00000001 a coinsolidation Tongue

It would be nice to keep things as simple as possible. With three primary units. 1, 0.001, 0.000001. Each one relating to a potential parity milestone.

For common usage, each primary unit could have cents, as we experience commonly in life.

Using the existing proposed language:

  • 1. 1.9x Bitmark
  • 2. 1.9x Mark
  • 3. 1.9x Markbits

So I guess a name for the "cent" (x above) in relation to each primary unit would be good.

1. I will suggest that whilst dealing with entire coins people are familiar with 8 units of precision, and thus we do not need a name for the first case.

2. Is may be the most common, I like your suggestion of cents, Markcents. This makes sense to me.

3. The final unit with two decimal places (currently called a markbit) has a cent value which corresponds to a satoshi.

I feel milli, and micro, in relation to currency conjures the notion of limited or meaningless value. Even though as a programmer I like the terms.

This must appeal to a wider audience.

For now perhaps Bitmark, Mark, and MarkCent are enough to define. Do you agree?

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Flow of Money: Given that scrypt based ASICs are beginning to flow on to the mining hardware market, we suppose most mining entities will be pools powered by individual miners (people or organizations). This should ensure that in the majority of cases (and as Bitmark adoption grows) no single miner can achieve more than 1 Bitmark from a successfully mined block, with the average being measured in Marks, rather than Bitmarks. This should do much to mitigate hoarding, dumping, market manipulation, and all those things entail. Since Bitmark is designed to be a daily use currency, this fair distribution and flow of money is of vital importance.

Do you think that it's more likely now that scrypt ASICs are here(or soon to be) that we'll see more individuals getting more than your intended share per block?

Do you think ASICs are a net benefit or do they pose more danger to the network?

If we consider coins with longevity in mind. Bitcoin and Litecoin, ASICs have done much to solidify the networks strength. With natural sustained growth I hope the hash rate would continue to rise. Scam, clone or pump and dump coins have problems with them, but this is not such a project. There has been a substantial investment in mining hardware for scrypt based coins, we should not ignore this, and I feel there is an opportunity to put all that hardware to good use, a use which secures the network and gives investors in this hardware a return on their investment.

My main concern is really the first day(s). For this reason I propose a high diff to start.

1. ASICs should ensure each party get's a more even share of the block rewards.
2. Net benefit, and strengthen.

Ask this question in relation to bitcoin, same answers apply.

Please do keep questioning and discussing, and thank you for your replies Smiley

edit: from another thread.

Why "Total Supply: ~ 27.58 million coins" ? and not exact 27 or 27,5 mil.


(I know it´s idiotic )

This is a good question, thank you.

I have not yet decided exactly which block reward will be the last, or whether to just keep halving until it's infeasible to halve any more. After a certain point when transactions are covering the mining costs the block reward is more of a bonus.

Is there any reason you feel a round number would be better?

I can do the numbers and work out the final few block rewards and assign a cut off block which equates to a round number. Potentially a round number of Marks, so 27.5xx million coins, to three decimal places.
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amarha
June 27, 2014, 03:20:02 PM
#41
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Flow of Money: Given that scrypt based ASICs are beginning to flow on to the mining hardware market, we suppose most mining entities will be pools powered by individual miners (people or organizations). This should ensure that in the majority of cases (and as Bitmark adoption grows) no single miner can achieve more than 1 Bitmark from a successfully mined block, with the average being measured in Marks, rather than Bitmarks. This should do much to mitigate hoarding, dumping, market manipulation, and all those things entail. Since Bitmark is designed to be a daily use currency, this fair distribution and flow of money is of vital importance.

Do you think that it's more likely now that scrypt ASICs are here(or soon to be) that we'll see more individuals getting more than your intended share per block?

Do you think ASICs are a net benefit or do they pose more danger to the network?
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amarha
June 27, 2014, 03:14:04 PM
#40
Personally I much prefer the old milli and micro system over bits(or marks in this case). I think it's pretty confusing as it will be natural for people to want to call a bitmark a mark.

I know Bitcoin is moving towards denominating bitcoins in bits instead of millibits now. But I thought I'd at least voice my opinion on this.

1 bitmark / 0.01 centimark(markcent maybe?) / 0.001 millimark / 0.000001 micromark / 0.00000001 a coinsolidation Tongue
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June 27, 2014, 01:41:59 PM
#39
Nothing new released today.

I am working on the first build and hope to have it on github soon.

The source is the latest bitcoin release, manually merged with the scrypt modifications from the latest litecoin branch. Considerably more work than it sounds, yet enjoyable. It should serve as a strong foundation for future developments.

If anybody can spare some time, please review and check the writings on the bitmark wiki, the earlier we can catch any flaws in my rationale, the better.

Thanks.
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June 26, 2014, 01:41:32 PM
#38
Very helpful, and that's the plan. Thank you Smiley
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June 26, 2014, 01:34:15 PM
#37
This project looks good and I sincerely wish you the best, but one thing I'm concerned about is interest from the average altcoin enthusiast. Without any shiny features or grand promises will a good, solid coin be enough to garner interest among so many competitors? I mean, I would hope so, but people seem to have the attention span of a three year old these days when it comes to coins. I worry that without all the latest trends like anon that this coin won't get the attention it deserves.


I agree, but if the focus is on longevity adoption will not happen overnight.

If users and miners believe there is very limited chance of the dev running off with coins and the inability to pump and dump, adoption will come naturally

focusing on a target audience of the next gen users (18-25) and building a platform on the technology they are using will provide exposure unheard of in other alts

marketing would have to follow doge's example through social media with applications for smartphones

hope this is helpful to the dev if this is where the coin is going
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June 26, 2014, 10:50:13 AM
#36
Published Allocation of Variables

Port Usage:
  • P2P Port: 9265 (testnet: 19265)
  • RPC Port: 9266 (testnet: 19266)

If you are aware of a collision with existing services please open an issue or reply.
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June 26, 2014, 08:32:52 AM
#35

so if I got this right in layman terms the payment gateway and blockchain can be sidestepped in favour of peer to peer exchange.

thus reducing extra charges and resources used in paying for goods and services

with businesses adopting a currency and exchanging users fiat for crypto it would be similar to purchasing tokens at an arcade and those tokens being able to be used anywhere else

is this right

of course this is a great idea and would certainly help with greater adoption

Close enough Smiley

Existing trust-me micro-transaction providers (games, services, itunes, facebook) add bitmark support for withdrawal and deposits. They continue to handle micro-transactions in a proprietary way.
Entails money can now flow freely between these providers, decreases reliance on latent legacy systems, increases adoption of Bitmark.
Positions these providers as micro-exchanges, exchanging site specific virtual currency / fiat / bitmark.
Reduces costs and services for all parties, increases or enables flow of money and additional revenue streams.
Further enables new ways of working online (ebaying, any form of content creation).
Paves way for future chain based micro-transactions (sidechain).

Bootstrap in existing trust-me microtransaction platforms, huge potential market, encourages greater adoption.
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June 25, 2014, 01:57:24 PM
#34

so if I got this right in layman terms the payment gateway and blockchain can be sidestepped in favour of peer to peer exchange.

thus reducing extra charges and resources used in paying for goods and services

with businesses adopting a currency and exchanging users fiat for crypto it would be similar to purchasing tokens at an arcade and those tokens being able to be used anywhere else

is this right

of course this is a great idea and would certainly help with greater adoption
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June 25, 2014, 12:03:25 PM
#33
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June 25, 2014, 05:19:54 AM
#32
This project looks good and I sincerely wish you the best, but one thing I'm concerned about is interest from the average altcoin enthusiast. Without any shiny features or grand promises will a good, solid coin be enough to garner interest among so many competitors? I mean, I would hope so, but people seem to have the attention span of a three year old these days when it comes to coins. I worry that without all the latest trends like anon that this coin won't get the attention it deserves.

Thank you for your kind words.

Short lived interest from the average altcoin enthusiast is not what we're looking for, nor excessive speculation, unwarranted hype, or artificially inflated value. Non of these things can benefit the bitmark project.

To me personally, one comment of support, some discussion on the specification or features, a bug found, or a genuine user is worth several times more.

Regarding attention, hopefully over time attention from those that can benefit from bitmark will be earned. Earned through consistent and committed development, a distinguished recognisable name, warranted evangelism, technical merit, longevity, you know... the way most real world and online projects earn their attention and adoption!
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June 25, 2014, 12:42:29 AM
#31
This project looks good and I sincerely wish you the best, but one thing I'm concerned about is interest from the average altcoin enthusiast. Without any shiny features or grand promises will a good, solid coin be enough to garner interest among so many competitors? I mean, I would hope so, but people seem to have the attention span of a three year old these days when it comes to coins. I worry that without all the latest trends like anon that this coin won't get the attention it deserves.
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June 24, 2014, 06:11:48 AM
#30
Update
I've started development on Bitmark late yesterday.

Bitmark is based on Bitcoin 0.9.2.1 with additions from the latest master branch of Litecoin, including of course scrypt support.
Bitmark will have mainnet, testnet, and regnet as bitcoin. It will also use a DNS Seeder.

Once the merge is complete and configured for Bitmark, I'll add it to the github repo for community testing.
Existing code tests will be updated for Bitmark.

Request for Funding
The total cost of resources for the first 3 months is 0.636 BTC, this covers:
  • 3 months of dedicated server for the project.
  • Domain name
  • 2 base templates, a public facing informational template, and an "administration" style template similar to blackcoinpool.com/dashboard
  • A small budget for leasedrigs to use on the testnet and to check block time generation as hashspeed changes rapidly, multipool diff drop mitigation

In return I can offer the first xx days (14?) of BTM from the development fund.

Alternative proposals are welcomed, as are btc donations to: 18rai2ichzUfXG6PVmUQLNPqBjtctnVRAD

edit: Thanks to whoever donated the 0.0159 BTC!
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June 23, 2014, 12:04:53 PM
#29
Today's Updates
1. Notes on the Bitmark, Block Reward, Monetary Supply, and (Network+Coin) Distribution: https://github.com/coinsolidation/bitmark/wiki/Currency
2. Requests for Community Discussion on Third Party Innovations: https://github.com/coinsolidation/bitmark/wiki/Third-Party-Innovations
3. Development Fund / Taxation in Detail: https://github.com/coinsolidation/bitmark/wiki/Development-Fund
4. Refinement of the main introduction and coin details https://github.com/coinsolidation/bitmark/wiki

Suggestion for Initial Difficulty
based on a network hashrate of: 50MH/s diff 1.4, 100mh/s: diff 2.8
working: (1.4*2^32/120 = 50,107,951) and (2.8*2^32/120 = 100,215,903)
reasoning: the first 720 blocks should require a reasonable amount of expenditure to generate before the diff changes.
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amarha
June 23, 2014, 03:44:36 AM
#28
I like Bitmark. Solid name.

BTM sounds good to me too. I hadn't heard bitcoin ATMs referred to as BTMs before. Not sure if this is a trend or not, but I do like the sound of BTM.
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June 23, 2014, 02:18:03 AM
#27
nothing new,, EMC2 is like this.
there already has:DEM,,, dutch mark.
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June 23, 2014, 02:03:07 AM
#26
mymenace, thank you for the vote and the concept logo Smiley

Pentamon, thank you for the feedback. I'd like to avoid Apple's i prefix if possible, especially when we can have the term "bitmark" pretty much exclusively without it. As you said, it rolls off the tongue Smiley
I like MARK, worry about confusion, if 1 mark equals 0.001 bitmark, then a currency code of "MARK" for bitmark may end up ambiguous and confusing over time, do you agree?

Markbit, I like this term, perhaps it could be the equivalent of either a "bit" (0.000001 Bitmark / 0.001 Mark) or a satoshi (0.00000001 Bitmark). Personally I think bitmark equivalent to bitcoins bits is useful and my preferred option.

Thoughts on term usage:
  • The Bitmark: used to refer to the entire currency, as the dollar / the pound - usage: "... the Dollar was down again the Bitmark today at ..."
  • Bitmark: used to refer to the overall project, or to a single coin. Context clarifies - usage: "somebody just sent me my first bitmark!" and "have you heard about Bitmark?"
  • (future) Mark: used to refer to 0.001 bitmark, potentially a standard term for the currency - usage: "that tv is on sale for 250 marks" and "that will be one mark ninety-nine please"

Thoughts on short currency codes:
  • (2) BMK: +1 unique within it's domain, +1 no financial usage
  • (1) BTM: +1 unique within it's domain, +1 no financial usage, -1 possible confusion with a bitcoin atm (BTMs)
  • (0) BMRK: +1 unique within it's domain, -1 existing financial usage (Benchmark Energy Corporation)
  • (-1) MRK: -1 existing financial usage (Merck & Co.)
  • (-1) MARK: +1 unique within it's domain, -1 existing financial usage (Remark Media), -1 confusion with 0.001 bitmark (1.00 mark)

On scoring BMK comes out top. I do not think I like it, but it serves a purpose and is unambiguous in terms of current and future usage.

Thoughts on a bitmark satoshi 0.00000001:
  • no thoughts, does this even need named (yet), will it ever be used if we have bitmark, mark, and markbits covering names down to a precision of 0.000001?
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June 22, 2014, 11:47:08 PM
#25
I've decided on a name for the project and currency.

Bitmark

1 Bitmark, 3 Bitmarks.
1 Mark will equal 0.001 Bitmark.

Short Code: BTM or MRK undecided, feedback please

"Mark" Historical Usage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_(money)
"Bitmark" Historical Usage: [Suspicious link removed] used it to refer to public bookmarks, this seems to have phased out over 2012/2013.

Rationale: Unambiguous throughout the web and history, sense of money, easily used in common language, historical references, term already available for growth in value, reasonable, distinct from ****coin.

Feedback?

I would go with the prefix the way Apple did: with the lower case "i"prefix, except apply it to the crypto world:  1 bitMark,  3 bitMarks

Short Code:  MARK or BMRK (four allowed, like Qora)

Brainstorming glitches: BiteMark, Bismarck,  Grin

Have you considered cryptMark (CMK or CMARK)
or: MarkBits (MARKB)

(although, I like the way it rolls of my tongue: BitMark)

Pentamon
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